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Created by: SupremeBone

Team: 2022-23 Edmonton Oilers

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 24, 2022

Published: Jun. 24, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

The team reinforces its forward group with Brown (& Holloway), secures a more cost-efficient goal scorer (Olofsson), and builds out the bottom-6 with physical players that can also actually contribute more than just physicality (Carrier, Joshua, & ZAR).

Stralman adds veteran support to a host of upcoming young LD and Allen provides a competent support goalie for relatively cheap that allows the team to not commit to a goalie long-term before knowing what they have in Skinner. Also, the team frees itself from reliance on LTIR as Smith retires.

The roster still has its flaws, though. The top-6 may be somewhat lacking in physicality as the drop-off between Kane and Olofsson is substantial, the overall scoring punch of the middle of the roster is quite reliant on youth, the D corps isn't particularly inspiring, and the ceiling for the goaltending is league-average at best.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Yamamoto, Kailer	4	$3,000,000
McLeod, Ryan	2	$1,175,000
Olofsson, Victor	3	$3,750,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Kulak, Brett	4	$3,000,000
Joshua, Dakota	2	$900,000
Strålman, Anton	1	$1,000,000
Aston-Reese, Zach	1	$800,000
Pinho, Brian	1	$750,000

Trades

EDM

Olofsson, Victor [RFA Rights]

BUF

Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]

EDM

Carrier, William
2023 4th round pick (VGK)

VGK

Shore, Devin ($425,000 retained)
2023 3rd round pick (EDM)

EDM

2022 3rd round pick (DAL)

DAL

Barrie, Tyson

EDM

Allen, Jake ($1,437,500 retained)
2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
2022 3rd round pick (ANA)

MTL

2022 1st round pick (EDM)

EDM

Brown, Connor ($1,800,000 retained)

OTT

Lavoie, Raphael
2023 1st round pick (EDM)

EDM

ARI

Klefbom, Oscar
2022 7th round pick (EDM)

Buyouts

James Neal: $1,916,667
Andrej Sekera: $1,500,000
Zack Kassian: $666,667

Retained Salary Transactions

Milan Lucic: $750,000 (12.5%)
Devin Shore: $425,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$81,393,629	$896,000	$1,350,000	$1,106,371

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Olofsson, Victor $3,750,000$3,750,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000$12,500,000 C NMC UFA - 4	Brown, Connor $1,800,000$1,800,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
	Draisaitl, Leon $8,500,000$8,500,000 C, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Yamamoto, Kailer $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW RFA - 2
Hyman, Zach $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 6	McLeod, Ryan $1,175,000$1,175,000 C RFA - 1	Holloway, Dylan $925,000$925,000 ($500,000$500K) LW, C RFA - 2
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan $5,125,000$5,125,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 7	Joshua, Dakota $900,000$900,000 LW UFA - 2	Foegele, Warren $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Carrier, William $1,400,000$1,400,000 LW UFA - 2	Ryan, Derek $1,250,000$1,250,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Aston-Reese, Zach $800,000$800,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Nurse, Darnell $9,250,000$9,250,000 LD NMC UFA - 8	Ceci, Cody $3,250,000$3,250,000 RD UFA - 3	Skinner, Stuart $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Kulak, Brett $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 4	Bouchard, Evan $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 1	Allen, Jake $1,437,500$1,437,500 G UFA - 1
Samorukov, Dmitri $775,000$775,000 LD UFA - 1	Strålman, Anton $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD UFA - 1
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Smith, Mike $2,200,000$2,200,000 G UFA - 1

Jun. 24, 2022 at 10:27 a.m.

MP55

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Yeah Habs accept that.

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Jun. 24, 2022 at 10:29 a.m.

Habsfan76

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I think the trade for Allen might be better suited for next years trade deadline. It’s very rare for teams to retain salary unless it’s at that time. If you would want Montreal to retain before that you’d probably have to take The 2nd round pick off the table. Other than that I don’t think it’s that far off

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Jun. 24, 2022 at 10:29 a.m.

Skedn

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In term of value for Allen I think it’s good, but I wouldn’t trade him for this deal simply because we don’t know if Price will be able to comeback next season. Unless the direction is okay with Primeau being the #1 goalie I wouldn’t trade Allen. Value is there, the circonstance make it hard to accept.

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Jun. 24, 2022 at 10:43 a.m.

Funksoljah

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Can't see Olofsson signing for under 4 million. The general thinking around Buffalo has been in the 4.75 range for what he'd take.

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Jun. 24, 2022 at 11:25 a.m.

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Edited Jun. 24, 2022 at 11:32 a.m.

"Input on trade values is appreciated"
Here it is!

@SupremeBone Surely you jest one for one.
First, Jesse plays on a team that scored 58 more goals than Buffalo but Olofsson scored 50% more goals and pts than Jesse.
Second, Puljujärvi played with either Leon or Connor over 75% of the time and managed to scrape together 14 goals and 36 pts in 65 games.
Third, Olofsson played with Cozens, Asplund, Krebs, Okposo, Mittelstadt, Jankowski, Eakin, Ruotsalainen, Murray and Quinn about 50% of the time and managed 20 goals and 49 pts in 72 games, yet you somehow think they are equal.
Fourth, take Jesse away from Connor and Leon and he may not get 10 goals.
Give Victor 75% of his ice time with Connor and Leon, he would probably more than double Jesse's 14 and get 30 goals.
Fifth, 14 goals in 65 games is only one more than Hinostroza got in 62 games, in other words, Vinnie is probably as good as Puljujärvi if Vinnie played wing for Connor or Leon!
That is a horrible deal for Buffalo!
Please stop pretending Puljujärvi has much value when a journey NHL RW playing on a team that is among the lowest scoring teams in the NHL has only ONE less goal than Jesse!

@Funksoljah

I forgot to add, Tuch, Okposo, Quinn and Hinostroza, Buffalo does not have a spot in the line up for Jesse.
Olofsson would be Buffalo's 2nd line LW, Jesse would be in the press box.

Jun. 24, 2022 at 11:42 a.m.

SupremeBone

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

"Input on trade values is appreciated"
Here it is!

SupremeBone Surely you jest one for one.
First, Jesse plays on a team that scored 58 more goals than Buffalo but Olofsson scored 50% more goals and pts than Jesse.
Second, Puljujärvi played with either Leon or Connor over 75% of the time and managed to scrape together 14 goals and 36 pts in 65 games.
Third, Olofsson played with Cozens, Asplund, Krebs, Okposo, Mittelstadt, Jankowski, Eakin, Ruotsalainen, Murray and Quinn about 50% of the time and managed 20 goals and 49 pts in 72 games, yet you somehow think they are equal.
Fourth, take Jesse away from Connor and Leon and he may not get 10 goals.
Give Victor 75% of his ice time with Connor and Leon, he would probably more than double Jesse's 14 and get 30 goals.
Fifth, 14 goals in 65 games is only one more than Hinostroza got in 62 games, in other words, Vinnie is probably as good as Puljujärvi if Vinnie played wing for Connor or Leon!
That is a horrible deal for Buffalo!
Please stop pretending Puljujärvi has much value when a journey NHL RW playing on a team that is among the lowest scoring teams in the NHL has only ONE less goal than Jesse!

Funksoljah

I forgot to add, Tuch, Okposo, Quinn and Hinostroza, Buffalo does not have a spot in the line up for Jesse.
Olofsson would be Buffalo's 2nd line LW, Jesse would be in the press box.

Alright, well that's an interestingly passionate take

I'd rebut your arguments by pointing to one key point that your argument ignores: much of Puljujarvi's value is his defensive and possession prowess (his on-ice impacts are substantial, w/ and w/o Connor). Olofsson is very clearly the better offensive player but I recall him having some notable defensive deficiencies- correct me if I'm wrong, though. My view is they're both worth somewhere around a late-1st with each having their own strengths and flaws.

Regardless of my disagreement with your analysis, I appreciate the feedback!

Jun. 24, 2022 at 11:43 a.m.

SupremeBone

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Quoting: Funksoljah

Can't see Olofsson signing for under 4 million. The general thinking around Buffalo has been in the 4.75 range for what he'd take.

Fair enough. I wonder if that would change if the contract was a 2 year deal to build some value for himself heading into UFA status.

Jun. 24, 2022 at 11:48 a.m.

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

Funksoljah

I forgot to add, Tuch, Okposo, Quinn and Hinostroza, Buffalo does not have a spot in the line up for Jesse.
Olofsson would be Buffalo's 2nd line LW, Jesse would be in the press box.

Personally I like Bison King, he definitely didn't have much puck luck this season but he does a lot of things that most Sabres forwards don't do. He helps drive offense in ways a bit similar to Tuch, by creating space for the other forwards. He'll win board battles and forcheck, he'll back check and suppress shots, he'll create turnovers that lead to scoring chances. I think him on a line with Cozens would be a nightmare for opposing teams to deal with. Remove Hino from the equation and you then have RW depth of Tuch, Quinn, Puljujarvi, and Okposo. That's about as solid as you can get from that perspective.

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Jun. 24, 2022 at 12:17 p.m.

thewookie1

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I think I’d take that trade with Olofsson. Sir Pool is a different type of forward and in theory would give us a bit more balance overall.

Perhaps a conditional pick can go to Buffalo if Olofsson scores 30 next year?

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Jun. 24, 2022 at 12:18 p.m.

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Isn't Klefbom's contract uninsured? No way Arizona takes it on.

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Jun. 24, 2022 at 12:19 p.m.

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Hmm, I'd be willing to at least consider that. Wouldn't be comfortable with it being a high pick, though.

Jun. 24, 2022 at 12:20 p.m.

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I think all of the trades are fairly reasonable. Might tweak a couple but generally they’re on point - good work.

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Jun. 24, 2022 at 12:21 p.m.

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Isn't Klefbom's contract uninsured? No way Arizona takes it on.

In all honesty, I'm not clear on what's insured and what's not. Is there a reason it wouldn't be given it's career-ending arthritis derived from playing hockey? It wouldn't be a strictly necessary move as it was only made to get EDM out of LTIR reliance.

Jun. 24, 2022 at 12:21 p.m.

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Quoting: vikhodush

I think all of the trades are fairly reasonable. Might tweak a couple but generally they’re on point - good work.

Alright, thanks for the input! If you care to share, any particular tweaks you would point to?

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Jun. 24, 2022 at 12:23 p.m.

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Quoting: SupremeBone

Alright, thanks for the input! If you care to share, any particular tweaks you would point to?

I’d lessen picks coming back to oil in Allen trade because of retention. Would also probably add a conditional pick going to BUF based on Olof production.

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Jun. 24, 2022 at 12:28 p.m.

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Typically teams only insure their 3 to 4 most expensive contracts and I thought I read somewhere Klefbom's contract wasn't insured. Being on LTIR has nothing to do with if a contract is insured or not. If its not insured, you're going to have hard time finding any team to pay over five million dollars for a player that wont play for them, let alone a team so deep in the red like Arizona.

Jun. 24, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.

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Hmm, fair if true. I was operating under the assumption that the contract of any player who is rendered unable to play anymore qualifies as insured by the NHL or NHLPA (not exactly clear, obviously).

Jun. 24, 2022 at 3:23 p.m.

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Hmm, I'd be willing to at least consider that. Wouldn't be comfortable with it being a high pick, though.

3rd if he hits 30, 2nd if he hits 40 goals, 50+ goals would give both?

Jun. 24, 2022 at 8:14 p.m.

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in terms of value, you're pretty much on the mark for Brown imo. just not the kind of deal the Sens should actually be doing if they're moving Brown, so it's a "Sens say no, but not because of value"

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