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Dubois vs Dvorak and what to get it done

Created by: CeceHuey
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 24, 2022
Published: Jun. 24, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
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Wright, Shane3$925,000
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  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
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  1. Dvorak, Christian
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  • Karl Alzner: $833,333
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18$82,500,000$65,626,666$1,132,500$1,357,500$16,873,334
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Caufield, Cole
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Suzuki, Nick
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C
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Anderson, Josh
$5,500,000
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Dadonov, Evgeni
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Wright, Shane
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Gallagher, Brendan
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RW
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Hoffman, Mike
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Poehling, Ryan
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Armia, Joel
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Byron, Paul
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Edmundson, Joel
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LD
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Petry, Jeff
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RD
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Allen, Jake
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Harris, Jordan
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Savard, David
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Wideman, Chris
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Price, Carey
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Jun. 24 at 5:46 p.m.
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Wpg probably wants you to throw in a pick or 2
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Jun. 24 at 5:49 p.m.
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Wpg probably wants you to throw in a pick or 2


2023 Florida first a 2023 second and kidney could have Calgary 1st but probably happens after the draft jets don't give up that easily
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Jun. 24 at 5:54 p.m.
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2023 Florida first a 2023 second and kidney could have Calgary 1st but probably happens after the draft jets don't give up that easily


you see I think that depending on who's kidney it is, you might need part of a liver as well, and then the picks, but I think caufield will be the right candidate
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Jun. 24 at 5:56 p.m.
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late 1st + guhle/barron
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Jun. 24 at 5:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Howie
2023 Florida first a 2023 second and kidney could have Calgary 1st but probably happens after the draft jets don't give up that easily


Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
you see I think that depending on who's kidney it is, you might need part of a liver as well, and then the picks, but I think caufield will be the right candidate


So dubois for dvorak a 1st 2023, a 2nd 2023 and a prospect with a great explosive year ??
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Jun. 24 at 6:03 p.m.
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So dubois for dvorak a 1st 2023, a 2nd 2023 and a prospect with a great explosive year ??


Well thats just a prospect that comes to mind probably rather trade him than Roy in my eyes
Jun. 24 at 6:07 p.m.
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Quoting: CeceHuey
So dubois for dvorak a 1st 2023, a 2nd 2023 and a prospect with a great explosive year ??


Quoting: CeceHuey
So dubois for dvorak a 1st 2023, a 2nd 2023 and a prospect with a great explosive year ??


what about the organs that are involved in the trade smh.

on a more serious note I think that the 1st and 2nd could get it done
Jun. 24 at 6:09 p.m.
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So finally deal
Winnipeg gets
Dvorak 2023 Florida first 2023 mtl second and some type of prospect (kidney, kapenen, mysak, strubble, harris but preferably the first 2)

Mtl gets
Dubois
Jun. 24 at 6:11 p.m.
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WPG deserves at least 1st and either Guhle or Barron. Maybe more:
Jun. 24 at 6:20 p.m.
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Well I just hope it happens soon so all these mock Dubois trades will end!... 🙃
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Jun. 24 at 6:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Howie
So finally deal
Winnipeg gets
Dvorak 2023 Florida first 2023 mtl second and some type of prospect (kidney, kapenen, mysak, strubble, harris but preferably the first 2)

Mtl gets
Dubois


Not giving up more than Florida's 1st + Dvorak + one of Struble, Ylonen or Farrell for a guy we can sign for free in 2 years. Besides that @windjammer said Dubois = Dvorak + mid to late 1st, so why give up more.
Jun. 24 at 6:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Xqb15a
WPG deserves at least 1st and either Guhle or Barron. Maybe more:


Forget ghule, cuz ghule can get dubois and a pick
Jun. 24 at 6:33 p.m.
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Winnipeg would probably prefer that you didn't include Dvorak. That gives them 4.4m in cap to sign a real centre.
Jun. 24 at 6:36 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Winnipeg would probably prefer that you didn't include Dvorak. That gives them 4.4m in cap to sign a real centre.

I agree but your not the only one team to seek for a center, who would you get instead of a secure trade plus asset’s
Jun. 24 at 6:37 p.m.
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There is no point from the habs end.

From the point MSL was hired to the end of the year Dvorak was producing at a .77 ppg which is a 63 point pace which is the peak of what Dubois has produced in a season.

Dvorak can actually play centre. Dubois cant win a faceoff to save his life and has horrible defensive metrics.

Dvorak is locked in to a very reasonable contract while Dubois will want a 7+ million deal .

Long term the habs already have suzuki and likely wright while Dvorak is making little enough that he can be a luxury 3C at that pricepoint by the end.
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Jun. 24 at 6:40 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Winnipeg would probably prefer that you didn't include Dvorak. That gives them 4.4m in cap to sign a real centre.


I'd take Dvorak, he was as productive at even strength as Dubois was without taking so many dumb penalties.
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Jun. 24 at 6:42 p.m.
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Quoting: CeceHuey
I agree but your not the only one team to seek for a center, who would you get instead of a secure trade plus asset’s


If I'm the Jets and PLD is traded and it's a long term extension in place, I either wants prospects/picks, so I have cap space to sign a centre or get a good established centre.
I don't know if Montreal is the team that needs a centre with Suzuki and Wright. To me, Boston might be logical place for PLD especially if Bergeron retires.
But I maintain that PLD's trade value isn't that high. Teams could just sign a UFA for about PLDs $$$$, and keep young assets.
Jun. 24 at 6:45 p.m.
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I'd take Dvorak, he was as productive at even strength as Dubois was without taking so many dumb penalties.


Interesting thought Dvorak and 3m in cap . I've never understood the "love" for PLD. He was the 49th highest scoring centre, which puts him squarely as middle of the road 2nd liner, though he did have a great playoff against the Leafs a few season ago.
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Jun. 24 at 8:12 p.m.
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Nothing. Dvorak isn't a starting point for PLD. Nobody turns a 1B center into an average 3C in a trade.
Jun. 24 at 8:18 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Interesting thought Dvorak and 3m in cap . I've never understood the "love" for PLD. He was the 49th highest scoring centre, which puts him squarely as middle of the road 2nd liner, though he did have a great playoff against the Leafs a few season ago.


Yeah, don't get me wrong I don't think Dvorak is some stud center or anything but maybe playing with Connor he hits the 50-60 point mark and without the countless dumb penalties Dubois takes are they really that far behind from where they were with Dubois?

Idk, Dubois is good and there should still be some growth in his game but I really don't see anything all that special in the guy. He's put the Jets in a really ****ty spot, really don't think they can get some haul for him, they could do worse than a mid to late 1st, Dvorak and some extras for PLD.
Jun. 25 at 9:07 a.m.
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Quoting: CeceHuey
Forget ghule, cuz ghule can get dubois and a pick


Only in your world.
Jun. 25 at 10:38 a.m.
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Only in your world.


Lol 😂 you funny are you humorist?
 
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