My crack at fiala

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Quoting: pretzelcoatl

Swap Kulikov out for a 4th or something and that's a great deal for Jersey. Instead of Kulikov I'd try to get Bear or Puljujarvi for Zacha, and sign Lyubushkin or Subban if we don't get Bear.

Well the point of the trade is for Fiala and taking on the last year of kulikov to incentivize them a little more I feel is worth it but yeah obviously swapping out kulikov for a 4th is way better but I think getting that 2.25mil off the cap for Minnie is very valuable to them

Jun. 25, 2022 at 9:40 a.m.

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Underwhelming offer for Fiala, And doubtful you get him for under 8 x 8.

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Jun. 25, 2022 at 10:08 a.m.

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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22

Underwhelming offer for Fiala, And doubtful you get him for under 8 x 8.

He may get 8x$8m as free agent.
If he gets that after trade, it’s likely the trade will be less.

If Fiala only agrees to extend with whomever is paying him $8m x 8 then Guerin has little trade leverage unless he is willing to sell him as rental. If Minnesota wants to start a bidding war on trade, Fiala would have to agree to much lower contract.

In other words, Fiala may get big trade return with team friendly contract…or Fiala may get his contract, but Minnesota will get peanuts.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 10:15 a.m.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

He may get 8x$8m as free agent.
If he gets that after trade, it’s likely the trade will be less.

If Fiala only agrees to extend with whomever is paying him $8m x 8 then Guerin has little trade leverage unless he is willing to sell him as rental. If Minnesota wants to start a bidding war on trade, Fiala would have to agree to much lower contract.

In other words, Fiala may get big trade return with team friendly contract…or Fiala may get his contract, but Minnesota will get peanuts.

That's not how it works, If Fiala has 10 bidders bidding on him. It not only helps Guerin to get his offer but it also ups what Fiala will get on his contract.

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Jun. 25, 2022 at 10:21 a.m.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

He may get 8x$8m as free agent.
If he gets that after trade, it’s likely the trade will be less.

If Fiala only agrees to extend with whomever is paying him $8m x 8 then Guerin has little trade leverage unless he is willing to sell him as rental. If Minnesota wants to start a bidding war on trade, Fiala would have to agree to much lower contract.

In other words, Fiala may get big trade return with team friendly contract…or Fiala may get his contract, but Minnesota will get peanuts.

OTT, NYI, LA, ANA, CAR, BUF, DET, etc. can all beat what's offered in this proposal and be able to find a way to afford Fiala. NJD fans are struggling to grasp the concept that Fiala will be traded for a more than decent return, not just B prospects, scraps, and second rounders. You're not the only team that will be calling.

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Jun. 25, 2022 at 10:35 a.m.

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Quoting: DollaDollaBillKirill

OTT, NYI, LA, ANA, CAR, BUF, DET, etc. can all beat what's offered in this proposal and be able to find a way to afford Fiala. NJD fans are struggling to grasp the concept that Fiala will be traded for a more than decent return, not just B prospects, scraps, and second rounders. You're not the only team that will be calling.

If you read the description I said they would probably find a better offer somewhere else and the main point is the devils are in no position to trade 2OA, 2023 1st, holtz etc for Fiala

Jun. 25, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.

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If you read the description I said they would probably find a better offer somewhere else and the main point is the devils are in no position to trade 2OA, 2023 1st, holtz etc for Fiala

what's the point of this ACGM then lol? if you think your "crack" at Fiala will be beaten by others teams haha.

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Jun. 25, 2022 at 10:44 a.m.

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what's the point of this ACGM then lol? if you think your "crack" at Fiala will be beaten by others teams haha.

Because I keep seeing overpayments for Fiala from both minnie and devils fans, the point is to show a realistic offer that is fair value and imo the offer I proposed is very fair value. Whether that’s beaten by another team or not was beyond the point

Jun. 25, 2022 at 10:46 a.m.

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Because I keep seeing overpayments for Fiala from both minnie and devils fans, the point is to show a realistic offer that is fair value and imo the offer I proposed is very fair value. Whether that’s beaten by another team or not was beyond the point

Obviously some fans may overvalue a game breaker, ppg player on their favourite team. But I mostly see Devils fans offering a ton of trash. I don't want to be mean or anything and its not deep at all, but this falls right in the trash category of a return for Fiala.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 10:54 a.m.

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Quoting: DollaDollaBillKirill

OTT, NYI, LA, ANA, CAR, BUF, DET, etc. can all beat what's offered in this proposal and be able to find a way to afford Fiala. NJD fans are struggling to grasp the concept that Fiala will be traded for a more than decent return, not just B prospects, scraps, and second rounders. You're not the only team that will be calling.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/601759?post_id=3352177

There was a lovely discussion over a possible Fiala to NJD yesterday. Reasonable discussions can be had, things get dramatic only when comments like this are made with the speculation of "Ottawa is offering #7+, NYI are offering a 1st+Räty" when there's no reason to believe that's true.

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Jun. 25, 2022 at 10:56 a.m.

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Quoting: MellowK

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/601759?post_id=3352177

There was a lovely discussion over a possible Fiala to NJD yesterday. Reasonable discussions can be had, things get dramatic only when comments like this are made with the speculation of "Ottawa is offering #7+, NYI are offering a 1st+Räty" when there's no reason to believe that's true.

Didn't see that. Sorry Im on exchange in Australia so I haven't been on much. Never said anything of the above, but you still cannot say that most of the NJD fan offers for Fiala are pretty near terrible. Theres too many to link.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 10:58 a.m.

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Quoting: DollaDollaBillKirill

Obviously some fans may overvalue a game breaker, ppg player on their favourite team. But I mostly see Devils fans offering a ton of trash. I don't want to be mean or anything and its not deep at all, but this falls right in the trash category of a return for Fiala.

Just because you don’t know the players doesn’t mean it’s trash. Do some research first bud. Gristyuk is the devils best offensive prospect besides Holtz, and Walsh had a very good year last year, his 1st time in the ahl. 2nd Rounder is 37th OA and McLeod is C depth that Minnie probably could use not to mention eating a negative contract in Kulikov.. So yeah not trash because you are unaware of the players, fair value.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 11:01 a.m.

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Quoting: MellowK

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/601759?post_id=3352177

There was a lovely discussion over a possible Fiala to NJD yesterday. Reasonable discussions can be had, things get dramatic only when comments like this are made with the speculation of "Ottawa is offering #7+, NYI are offering a 1st+Räty" when there's no reason to believe that's true.

Never saw this surprised our deals were so close haha

Jun. 25, 2022 at 11:05 a.m.

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Quoting: KDev

Just because you don’t know the players doesn’t mean it’s trash. Do some research first bud. Gristyuk is the devils best offensive prospect besides Holtz, and Walsh had a very good year last year, his 1st time in the ahl. 2nd Rounder is 37th OA and McLeod is C depth that Minnie probably could use not to mention eating a negative contract in Kulikov.. So yeah not trash because you are unaware of the players, fair value.

I have. The top prized asset for Fiala isn't going to be a guy that's ranked 4-5th in a teams system. Cmon. Imagine being Fitzgerald and pitching this and 37th overall to Guerin for a 85 point player. Regardless of cap situations. Guerin is on record saying he will be looking for a fair deal for both sides. Try again and start with a first rounder.

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Jun. 25, 2022 at 11:44 a.m.

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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22

That's not how it works, If Fiala has 10 bidders bidding on him. It not only helps Guerin to get his offer but it also ups what Fiala will get on his contract.

No its the opposite. The more Fiala wants in contract and the more narrow he makes his list, the fewer trade partners Guerin has to work with.

If Fiala says, I will sign any offer with any team - Guerin can start a bidding war
If Fiala says, I want 5-6 years at $5-6 million - Guerin will likely have 10 teams (maybe more) to find best trade offer
If Fiala says, I want 7-8 years at $7-8 million - Guerin will have only a few teams to work with
If Fiala says, I want to sign in Los Angeles (would otherwise sign QO) - Guerin will have LA and maybe a couple teams looking for a rental

The more demands Fiala has on contract, the less the Wild get in return.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.

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Quoting: DollaDollaBillKirill

I have. The top prized asset for Fiala isn't going to be a guy that's ranked 4-5th in a teams system. Cmon. Imagine being Fitzgerald and pitching this and 37th overall to Guerin for a 85 point player. Regardless of cap situations. Guerin is on record saying he will be looking for a fair deal for both sides. Try again and start with a first rounder.

2nd overall pick isn't happening. Certainly not #2oa plus a prospect. I do not know why Wild fans are so insistent on that.

Look at Buchnevich and Reinhart trades. Should be in that range unless Fiala wants his UFA year next year.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.

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Quoting: KDev

Just because you don’t know the players doesn’t mean it’s trash. Do some research first bud. Gristyuk is the devils best offensive prospect besides Holtz, and Walsh had a very good year last year, his 1st time in the ahl. 2nd Rounder is 37th OA and McLeod is C depth that Minnie probably could use not to mention eating a negative contract in Kulikov.. So yeah not trash because you are unaware of the players, fair value.

MN doesn’t need a depth C. We have Ek (3rd line), Jost, and Freddie G. BG has been rumored to be looking for a means to a top 6 C prospect while he shopped Dumba over the last 2+ years. I have to believe that’s what the ask will be from BG for Fiala. We need top 6 C’s, not wings.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.

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2nd overall pick isn't happening. Certainly not #2oa plus a prospect. I do not know why Wild fans are so insistent on that.

Look at Buchnevich and Reinhart trades. Should be in that range unless Fiala wants his UFA year next year.

I think 2OA could definitely be on the table, but it’d have to be MN adding to that package, not NJD. Still doesn’t feel like that’s happening. NJD doesn’t seem like a good fit. I think BG would want a 2023 first not that 2nd. Maybe like Thompson, 2023 first (with protections), and another smaller piece feels like a good fair deal.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.

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No its the opposite. The more Fiala wants in contract and the more narrow he makes his list, the fewer trade partners Guerin has to work with.

If Fiala says, I will sign any offer with any team - Guerin can start a bidding war
If Fiala says, I want 5-6 years at $5-6 million - Guerin will likely have 10 teams (maybe more) to find best trade offer
If Fiala says, I want 7-8 years at $7-8 million - Guerin will have only a few teams to work with
If Fiala says, I want to sign in Los Angeles (would otherwise sign QO) - Guerin will have LA and maybe a couple teams looking for a rental

The more demands Fiala has on contract, the less the Wild get in return.

How do you know this? This all feels like assumptions not based in fact. If Fiala was going to sign for 6 mil, he’d already have a contract with the Wild. Wild offered 3 years 6 mil per last offseason. He should be in the 7+ mil range. Any team trading for Fiala knows this. And I’m sure after the Stanley cup final we’ll start hearing leaks of what Fiala’s contact demands are. Then all GMs will know.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 12:04 p.m.

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Quoting: IcemanJoe

How do you know this? This all feels like assumptions not based in fact. If Fiala was going to sign for 6 mil, he’d already have a contract with the Wild. Wild offered 3 years 6 mil per last offseason. He should be in the 7+ mil range. Any team trading for Fiala knows this. And I’m sure after the Stanley cup final we’ll start hearing leaks of what Fiala’s contact demands are. Then all GMs will know.

Each said, "If"...I am citing examples.

There is a relationship between contract and trade return.
Higher contract = less trade return
Lower contract = more trade return

I don't know why this is such a controversial concept with Wild fans.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 12:08 p.m.

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How do you know this? This all feels like assumptions not based in fact. If Fiala was going to sign for 6 mil, he’d already have a contract with the Wild. Wild offered 3 years 6 mil per last offseason. He should be in the 7+ mil range. Any team trading for Fiala knows this. And I’m sure after the Stanley cup final we’ll start hearing leaks of what Fiala’s contact demands are. Then all GMs will know.

At this point, it feels like he’s trolling.

No matter how many times it's been explained, shown, or linked to an article that disagrees with his POV. He ignores it. Completely.

He's right, everybody else is wrong. And there can be no other possibility than what he thinks will happen.

There's a term for people like that.

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Jun. 25, 2022 at 12:09 p.m.

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MN doesn’t need a depth C. We have Ek (3rd line), Jost, and Freddie G. BG has been rumored to be looking for a means to a top 6 C prospect while he shopped Dumba over the last 2+ years. I have to believe that’s what the ask will be from BG for Fiala. We need top 6 C’s, not wings.

Top-6 Cs means Jack Hughes, Nico Hischier, or Dawson Mercer. I know MIN fans are expecting that kind of return, but I am telling you, many will feel disappointed.

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I think 2OA could definitely be on the table, but it’d have to be MN adding to that package, not NJD. Still doesn’t feel like that’s happening. NJD doesn’t seem like a good fit. I think BG would want a 2023 first not that 2nd. Maybe like Thompson, 2023 first (with protections), and another smaller piece feels like a good fair deal.

Assume the 2nd overall pick is not on the table. There has been nothing legit to suggest NJD want to move that pick. It all comes from one answer to one question when our GM said, "I will consider anything to improve our team". That is it. And that was before the lottery.

In the Cap era, a top-2 pick has never been traded for a player.

Jun. 25, 2022 at 12:12 p.m.

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Each said, "If"...I am citing examples.

There is a relationship between contract and trade return.
Higher contract = less trade return
Lower contract = more trade return

I don't know why this is such a controversial concept with Wild fans.

It's not, because I have never once seen that to be the case.

What I have seen is if a player agrees to a long-term contract, regardless of the contract amount, the acquiring team will pay out in assets for that player.

What your saying makes no sense.

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