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Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 25, 2022
Published: Jun. 25, 2022
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Free Agent Signings
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3$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
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2$800,000
3$1,050,000
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3$6,500,000
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VAN
  1. Grans, Helge
  2. Spence, Jordan
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (LAK)
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  1. Miller, J.T.
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Miller signs 6 x 8.375M extension
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C
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Jun. 25, 2022 at 6:07 p.m.
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Boucher is largely regarded as being a reach for having been drafted top 10 in his year, might be in the Sens best interests to monetize him before the rest of the industry see's his underwhelming stock


everyone has their opinions of him and if he was a reach then there is already a disproportionate gap in how different managements evaluate him.

If his stock has fallen, or is falling, then that gap worsens. OTT needs to have faith their scouts are right, and not sell low on an asset they spent a lot of draft capital on.

OTT counters, MDZ for Jet Woo
Jun. 25, 2022 at 6:09 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
everyone has their opinions of him and if he was a reach then there is already a disproportionate gap in how different managements evaluate him.

If his stock has fallen, or is falling, then that gap worsens. OTT needs to have faith their scouts are right, and not sell low on an asset they spent a lot of draft capital on.

OTT counters, MDZ for Jet Woo


Whoa, don't need to become so petty
Jun. 25, 2022 at 6:13 p.m.
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Whoa, don't need to become so petty


I thought it a fair analogy. Neither team would take a trade like that.
Jun. 25, 2022 at 6:14 p.m.
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I thought it a fair analogy. Neither team would take a trade like that.


It's not an analogy, it's a fleecing
Jun. 25, 2022 at 6:20 p.m.
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It's not an analogy, it's a fleecing


Its literally exactly the same thing. A draft prospect who they sunk draft capital into, who doesnt appear to be panning out for an over the hill player.

Half point per game forward for 10OA vs Half point per game D for 37OA.
Jun. 25, 2022 at 6:21 p.m.
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Its literally exactly the same thing. A draft prospect who they sunk draft capital into, who doesnt appear to be panning out for an over the hill player.

Half point per game forward for 10OA vs Half point per game D for 37OA.


Pearson's not over the hill, he's a perennial half a point per game player
Jun. 25, 2022 at 6:23 p.m.
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Pearson's not over the hill, he's a perennial half a point per game player


Hes entering his age 30 season. He is going to do nothing but regress over the next 4 seasons until he is no longer NHL capable.

Boucher might cap out as a bottom 6 grinder, but OTT would take that for 7 years of team control than more middle6 clutter with Pearson
Jun. 25, 2022 at 6:24 p.m.
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Hes entering his age 30 season. He is going to do nothing but regress over the next 4 seasons until he is no longer NHL capable.

Boucher might cap out as a bottom 6 grinder, but OTT would take that for 7 years of team control than more middle6 clutter with Pearson


No guarantee Pearson starts to regress next season. He might not start to regress until he's 32-33, can't make such rigid assumptions about regression dude, and even when he regresses, he'll still likely be reasonably productive
Jun. 25, 2022 at 6:29 p.m.
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No guarantee Pearson starts to regress next season. He might not start to regress until he's 32-33, can't make such rigid assumptions about regression dude, and even when he regresses, he'll still likely be reasonably productive


But the point being is that we with 100% know what Pearson is now. We 100% know hes not getting any better. We dont know when he will get noticably worse, but we know its coming.

OTT doesnt have ANY interest in what Pearson is now. OTT has that in spades already. Middle vet W is not what OTT is looking for. OTT knows 100% they dont want what Pearson is now, and wont want what he is in the future, and youre asking for a player that OTT just spent a ton of draft capital on....

Like I get Pearson isnt a useless player, but this trade is just so disjointed from the actual desires and evaluations of the team
Jun. 25, 2022 at 6:31 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
But the point being is that we with 100% know what Pearson is now. We 100% know hes not getting any better. We dont know when he will get noticably worse, but we know its coming.

OTT doesnt have ANY interest in what Pearson is now. OTT has that in spades already. Middle vet W is not what OTT is looking for. OTT knows 100% they dont want what Pearson is now, and wont want what he is in the future, and youre asking for a player that OTT just spent a ton of draft capital on....

Like I get Pearson isnt a useless player, but this trade is just so disjointed from the actual desires and evaluations of the team


I guess, but never know with Dorion I find
Jun. 26, 2022 at 12:53 p.m.
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LOL, seriously


Very few Sens fans liked the Boucher pick or are not criticizing it (and I'm one of the leaders for criticism of the current management) but no chance they do that.

They have no spot/use for Pearson and they will want a bit more time for Boucher to become something. It is just plain stupid to trade an asset at lowest value

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Boucher is largely regarded as being a reach for having been drafted top 10 in his year, might be in the Sens best interests to monetize him before the rest of the industry see's his underwhelming stock


Wait, is this really what you replied after what you said in post #23?

This is not chatter, we all basically said the same thing the minute after the pick was made

And it's naïve to think the "industry" doesn't already "see's his underwhelming stock"

Every team has very extensive evaluations of all players, and this is true for undrafted players too. Boucher was ranked 29th on McKenzie's list, which is why we see him as a "reach". It's not recent "chatter" lol
Jun. 26, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.
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Very few Sens fans liked the Boucher pick or are not criticizing it (and I'm one of the leaders for criticism of the current management) but no chance they do that.

They have no spot/use for Pearson and they will want a bit more time for Boucher to become something. It is just plain stupid to trade an asset at lowest value



Wait, is this really what you replied after what you said in post #23?

This is not chatter, we all basically said the same thing the minute after the pick was made

And it's naïve to think the "industry" doesn't already "see's his underwhelming stock"

Every team has very extensive evaluations of all players, and this is true for undrafted players too. Boucher was ranked 29th on McKenzie's list, which is why we see him as a "reach". It's not recent "chatter" lol


Fine, pardon my lingo, but you get what I mean
Jun. 26, 2022 at 3:24 p.m.
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Fine, pardon my lingo, but you get what I mean


Now imagine how mad Sens fans would be if Dorion traded Boucher when his value is at its lowest, after making that infuriating pick just 1 year ago (most of us wanted Sillinger)

Sometimes, it's ok to recover value before there's none left but Pearson is owed 7.25 M$ and is not even needed

People would be calling for his head (well, even more)
Jun. 26, 2022 at 3:26 p.m.
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Now imagine how mad Sens fans would be if Dorion traded Boucher when his value is at its lowest, after making that infuriating pick just 1 year ago (most of us wanted Sillinger)

Sometimes, it's ok to recover value before there's none left but Pearson is owed 7.25 M$ and is not even needed

People would be calling for his head (well, even more)


Fair, but how is Pearson not needed? Outside of Connor Brown, and Brady Tkachuk to a lesser degree, the Sens forward group doesn't exactly have a lot of sandpaper
Jun. 26, 2022 at 4:15 p.m.
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Fair, but how is Pearson not needed? Outside of Connor Brown, and Brady Tkachuk to a lesser degree, the Sens forward group doesn't exactly have a lot of sandpaper


Formenton - Stutzle - Batherson
Tkachuk - Norris - Joseph
Brown - Pinto - White
Kelly - Kastelic - Watson
Gambrell

Sens want to acquire a CLEAR Top-6 Winger too, who would push Joseph on the 3rd line and White out of a roster spot (buy out?)

Greig, Crookshank, Lodin, Sokolov, Jarventie waiting for a call-up

Let's say whoever they take at 7th OA would still be in development with Ostapchuk, Boucher, etc
Jun. 26, 2022 at 4:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Xspyrit
Formenton - Stutzle - Batherson
Tkachuk - Norris - Joseph
Brown - Pinto - White
Kelly - Kastelic - Watson
Gambrell

Sens want to acquire a CLEAR Top-6 Winger too, who would push Joseph on the 3rd line and White out of a roster spot (buy out?)

Greig, Crookshank, Lodin, Sokolov, Jarventie waiting for a call-up

Let's say whoever they take at 7th OA would still be in development with Ostapchuk, Boucher, etc


Lol, you still didn't answer my question
Jun. 28, 2022 at 4:20 p.m.
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Lol, you still didn't answer my question


I'm sorry but the only question was "how is Pearson not needed?", no?

This has been answered in my first post (#36) already...

"They have no spot/use for Pearson and they will want a bit more time for Boucher to become something. It is just plain stupid to trade an asset at lowest value"

Second post too (#38) :

"Pearson is owed 7.25 M$ and is not even needed"

Third post (#40) :

"Sens want to acquire a CLEAR Top-6 Winger too, who would push Joseph on the 3rd line and White out of a roster spot (buy out?) Greig, Crookshank, Lodin, Sokolov, Jarventie waiting for a call-up"


Why would they acquire Pearson (3.625 average salary the next seasons) when they are probably going to buy out Colin White as there is no more spot for him in the top-9 and would rather save the money?

What else do you need to understand?

Maybe this? I actually just wrote this in another ACGM :

"all of Formenton, Pinto, Brown, Joseph and White would need to be on the 3rd line if we're trying to build a championship team. Even Ridly Greig should start on that line as he is just 19 y/o. He will be very hard to keep OFF the team IMO. Even worse than that, there's several other good young players who will be waiting on that kind of opportunity, like Viktor Lodin who scored 5 goals in his first 10 AHL games (huge goals as the team was trying to clinch for the playoffs)"


Or is it just the "sandpaper" aspect? Keep in mind, most of these guys were 22 y/o and younger last season

You mentioned Tkachuk and Brown but Formenton is probably the biggest SOB in the lineup. He is mean and always looking for trouble
Stutzle, Norris and Batherson are skilled players but are not pushovers (great size)
Joseph and Pinto, same thing, very good on the forecheck
That 4th line is actually major sandpaper, Kastelic is very strong and kelly is a major pest. Watson is known for that too

Greig and Crookshank could also bring that in spades.
Jun. 28, 2022 at 5:43 p.m.
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I'm sorry but the only question was "how is Pearson not needed?", no?

This has been answered in my first post (#36) already...

"They have no spot/use for Pearson and they will want a bit more time for Boucher to become something. It is just plain stupid to trade an asset at lowest value"

Second post too (#38) :

"Pearson is owed 7.25 M$ and is not even needed"

Third post (#40) :

"Sens want to acquire a CLEAR Top-6 Winger too, who would push Joseph on the 3rd line and White out of a roster spot (buy out?) Greig, Crookshank, Lodin, Sokolov, Jarventie waiting for a call-up"


Why would they acquire Pearson (3.625 average salary the next seasons) when they are probably going to buy out Colin White as there is no more spot for him in the top-9 and would rather save the money?

What else do you need to understand?

Maybe this? I actually just wrote this in another ACGM :

"all of Formenton, Pinto, Brown, Joseph and White would need to be on the 3rd line if we're trying to build a championship team. Even Ridly Greig should start on that line as he is just 19 y/o. He will be very hard to keep OFF the team IMO. Even worse than that, there's several other good young players who will be waiting on that kind of opportunity, like Viktor Lodin who scored 5 goals in his first 10 AHL games (huge goals as the team was trying to clinch for the playoffs)"


Or is it just the "sandpaper" aspect? Keep in mind, most of these guys were 22 y/o and younger last season

You mentioned Tkachuk and Brown but Formenton is probably the biggest SOB in the lineup. He is mean and always looking for trouble
Stutzle, Norris and Batherson are skilled players but are not pushovers (great size)
Joseph and Pinto, same thing, very good on the forecheck
That 4th line is actually major sandpaper, Kastelic is very strong and kelly is a major pest. Watson is known for that too

Greig and Crookshank could also bring that in spades.


Tanner Pearson > Colin White, and Formenton doesn't bring sandpaper, he's not big enough
Jun. 28, 2022 at 6:13 p.m.
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Tanner Pearson > Colin White, and Formenton doesn't bring sandpaper, he's not big enough


Pearson better at scoring goals, more physical but I like White's rest of game better. There was no comparison made though.

Why would Pearson replace the "odd man out"? lol. The point is to save White's salary, not replace him by someone who is also owed money while keeping the logjam situation

And you need to watch Formenton, again keep in mind he was 22 years old, Elite Prospects has him at 6'2, 198 lbs

Anyway, moot point, Ottawa doesn't need Pearson in any way, shape or form. I would have taken him easily over some guys in the past few years but not anymore. I would really like to bring Nick Paul back but at this point, no spot for him either unless they start trading guys like Formenton/Joseph/Brown
Jun. 28, 2022 at 6:16 p.m.
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Pearson better at scoring goals, more physical but I like White's rest of game better. There was no comparison made though.

Why would Pearson replace the "odd man out"? lol. The point is to save White's salary, not replace him by someone who is also owed money while keeping the logjam situation

And you need to watch Formenton, again keep in mind he was 22 years old, Elite Prospects has him at 6'2, 198 lbs

Anyway, moot point, Ottawa doesn't need Pearson in any way, shape or form. I would have taken him easily over some guys in the past few years but not anymore. I would really like to bring Nick Paul back but at this point, no spot for him either unless they start trading guys like Formenton/Joseph/Brown


If you don't want Pearson, that's fine, but at least recognize that he's got a strong two-way profile. I'm sure he's no less of a complete player than White is
Jun. 28, 2022 at 7:23 p.m.
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If you don't want Pearson, that's fine, but at least recognize that he's got a strong two-way profile. I'm sure he's no less of a complete player than White is


yes, like I said I would have taken him for the last few years, it's just the context for next season doesn't allow the Sens to take on his contract. They want/need to add a very productive top-6 forward to help out the 4 top guys

Colin White is a cheap buyout so it's easy money saved. After doing that, they wouldn't be adding Pearson salary to NOT fill a position of need.
Jun. 28, 2022 at 7:26 p.m.
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yes, like I said I would have taken him for the last few years, it's just the context for next season doesn't allow the Sens to take on his contract. They want/need to add a very productive top-6 forward to help out the 4 top guys

Colin White is a cheap buyout so it's easy money saved. After doing that, they wouldn't be adding Pearson salary to NOT fill a position of need.


Fair enough
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