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Created by: The_Rocket
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 27, 2022
Published: Jun. 27, 2022
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Liljegren had a case to get up to twice as much on a two year deal.

Either his agent did him dirty or Dubas convinced him to take less.

Either way, huge W
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
2$1,800,000
2$1,800,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Brown, Connor ($1,600,000 retained)
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Leafs looking for mikeyhev replace
OTT
  1. Holl, Justin
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OTT looking for RD apparently
2.
TOR
OTT
  1. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Forgot this in the brown trade
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$82,452,283$212,500$0$47,717
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,800,000$3,800,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LW
UFA - 2

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Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:40 a.m.
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Ottawa declines.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:42 a.m.
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If lilegrin makes 1.4 sandin won’t make more then him and possibly even less
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:43 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafs4stan
If lilegrin makes 1.4 sandin won’t make more then him and possibly even less


Sandin will likely make more. He has more NHL experience and played a bigger role than Liljegren. Liljegren was the Leafs 7th defenseman when they were healthy and was healthy scratched during those short times while Sandin was scratched very little and missed most of his time due to injury.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:45 a.m.
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Quoting: Byrr
Sandin will likely make more. He has more NHL experience and played a bigger role than Liljegren. Liljegren was the Leafs 7th defenseman when they were healthy and was healthy scratched during those short times while Sandin was scratched very little and missed most of his time due to injury.


True but there’s no way he will make 2 mil maybe 1.75 million at most
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafs4stan
If lilegrin makes 1.4 sandin won’t make more then him and possibly even less


I’m Sandin has a better case than liljegren. More games played more points and more icetime despite being younger. Sandin could easily make more, though I may be a bit high with $2 million aav
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.
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I don't know...Liljegren is 23 and has a total of 74 NHL games played. He was also 8th this year in ATOI for Leafs dmen.

Do I think he's worth more? Sure, he's a solid, up and coming dman. Did he have much of a case to get there? Not really, unless someone offer sheeted him, which, while it's fun around here, we all know is extremely rare. I'm excited to see him get a bit more icetime over the next year or two to see what he's got.
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.
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Quoting: Byrr
Sandin will likely make more. He has more NHL experience and played a bigger role than Liljegren. Liljegren was the Leafs 7th defenseman when they were healthy and was healthy scratched during those short times while Sandin was scratched very little and missed most of his time due to injury.


14 games is hardly "more experience" it'll be the same for Sandin unless he gets a longer deal. But I would wager he gets a matching deal. Both for less than 3 is another example of Dubas being a great GM. The haters are going to lose their mind when this team pulls a Colorado.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafs4stan
True but there’s no way he will make 2 mil maybe 1.75 million at most


Identical deals will be what happen unless Sandin goes for term and gets 3 years then it'll be closer to 1.75 million.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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Quoting: Bradyg31
Ottawa declines.


Yup, quite easily.... Liljgren+ would be their main and only realistic target in TOR if theyd want to move Connor Brown
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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Quoting: The_Rocket
I’m Sandin has a better case than liljegren. More games played more points and more icetime despite being younger. Sandin could easily make more, though I may be a bit high with $2 million aav


So you hope eh? Just praying to see them have trouble keeping good players. Sandin has no case, he has 14 more games than Liljegren and 4 more points.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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Quoting: alpine4life
Yup, quite easily.... Liljgren+ would be their main and only realistic target in TOR if theyd want to move Connor Brown


Lol keep dreaming. Brown is a very good player but he's hardly hard to replace.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:50 a.m.
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Ummnm, he was a RFA with no arbitration rights and weak stats, I think he got more than he should've at 1.4mil, coming off 800k.

Hes still not a sure thing at the NHL level on a club that hasn;t seen the second round in forever...
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:52 a.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
So you hope eh? Just praying to see them have trouble keeping good players. Sandin has no case, he has 14 more games than Liljegren and 4 more points.


???? Hope? I’m trying to guess. Imo he has a better case than liljegren.

That said, liljegren easily had enough comprables to get over $2 million and still took less so it’s really tough to say what Sandin will sign for imo
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:53 a.m.
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OTT laughs as they decline.

CBrown with retenion is worth at least a 1st.

Holl is nowhere near worth that.
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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If Toronto added a 1st round pick maybe
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:56 a.m.
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Quoting: The_Rocket
???? Hope? I’m trying to guess. Imo he has a better case than liljegren.

That said, liljegren easily had enough comprables to get over $2 million and still took less so it’s really tough to say what Sandin will sign for imo


Identical contract makes the most sense. Similar experience, similar age, similar draft ranking, similar points, similar positions. There is almost nothing to differentiate between the two. Unless of course you just don't look into anything and just say nonsense to make your self feel good.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 11:57 a.m.
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Ummnm, he was a RFA with no arbitration rights and weak stats, I think he got more than he should've at 1.4mil, coming off 800k.

Hes still not a sure thing at the NHL level on a club that hasn;t seen the second round in forever...


Weak stats lol, does no one ever fact check before spouting off?
Jun. 27, 2022 at 12:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Hammerwise
Ummnm, he was a RFA with no arbitration rights and weak stats, I think he got more than he should've at 1.4mil, coming off 800k.

Hes still not a sure thing at the NHL level on a club that hasn;t seen the second round in forever...


He’s one year from Arb rights. If he signed a one year deal he easily could’ve signed for more next off season if he as a simile year to this one. I mean, liljegren is clearly better than a guy like Vaalimaki who signed a better deal than this one which bought 0 RFA years.

Other players who signed for more include Ethan bear, Jake bean, Philip Myers, Ryan pulocks first bridge deal, Troy stecher, Ben hutton, esa Lindell’s first bridge contract.

All of these guys signed for $2 million+ (except valimaki) and had less than 100 games played and less than 30 career points. Liljegren easily compares with these players
Jun. 27, 2022 at 12:01 p.m.
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Liljegren had no chance at "twice as much" --- He's played 76 games @ the NHL level -- for many of which he looked shaky. He looked solid down the stretch, yes, but w/ Gio as a partner.

Good player yes. Good value signing by Dubas, yes. But this isn't some grand negotiating miracle.

Don't be surprised if Sandin is signed @ the same, or $100-$200k more.
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 12:01 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
OTT laughs as they decline.

CBrown with retenion is worth at least a 1st.

Holl is nowhere near worth that.


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If Toronto added a 1st round pick maybe


I did add a 1st it just didn’t go through on the first trade. I must’ve misclicked
Jun. 27, 2022 at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: TML_Bias
Liljegren had no chance at "twice as much" --- He's played 76 games the NHL level -- for many of which he looked shaky. He looked solid down the stretch, yes, but w/ Gio as a partner.

Good player yes. Good value signing by Dubas, yes. But this isn't some grand negotiating miracle.

Don't be surprised if Sandin is signed the same, or $100-$200k more.


I won’t bother writing this out again but there a plenty of comparable who got over 2 million with some getting as high as 2.8, which would be twice as much

Quoting: The_Rocket
He’s one year from Arb rights. If he signed a one year deal he easily could’ve signed for more next off season if he as a simile year to this one. I mean, liljegren is clearly better than a guy like Vaalimaki who signed a better deal than this one which bought 0 RFA years.

Other players who signed for more include Ethan bear, Jake bean, Philip Myers, Ryan pulocks first bridge deal, Troy stecher, Ben hutton, esa Lindell’s first bridge contract.

All of these guys signed for $2 million+ (except valimaki) and had less than 100 games played and less than 30 career points. Liljegren easily compares with these players
Jun. 27, 2022 at 12:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
14 games is hardly "more experience" it'll be the same for Sandin unless he gets a longer deal. But I would wager he gets a matching deal. Both for less than 3 is another example of Dubas being a great GM. The haters are going to lose their mind when this team pulls a Colorado.


Colorado was a top team in the league for years before and passing the 1st round every season...
Jun. 27, 2022 at 12:10 p.m.
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Colorado was a top team in the league for years before and passing the 1st round every season...


To be fair, they have been in the weaker division getting easier 1st round matchups for years and failed to get out of the 2nd round. Apart from Montreal and the bubble, TO has had murder 1st round opposition
Jun. 27, 2022 at 12:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
To be fair, they have been in the weaker division getting easier 1st round matchups for years and failed to get out of the 2nd round. Apart from Montreal and the bubble, TO has had murder 1st round opposition


Apart from 2 of the last three years, eh?

Also Colorado literally just beat Tampa, who is the one good team the leafs lost to in the last 3 years.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 12:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Identical contract makes the most sense. Similar experience, similar age, similar draft ranking, similar points, similar positions. There is almost nothing to differentiate between the two. Unless of course you just don't look into anything and just say nonsense to make your self feel good.


Make myself feel good? What are you talking about? I’m speculating RFA deals, it’s interesting and fun. What they actually come out to be doesn’t impact the speculation.

You need to take a major breath and go touch grass or something bud. You’re taking this website way to seriously today
 
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