Philadelphia should take that offer.

Way too much to only climb 3 spots, That should get us up to #3 at the very least.

That's realistic of what it would cost to move into the top 5. If you want the top 3 you're trading away an impact roster player instead of the 2nd rounders. It would likely be 8th + Vrana for the 3rd. Not interested. They are the Washington and St. Louis picks as well so mid 2nd rounders or later. Detroit has had so many draft picks in the past 4 drafts and they will not have roster spots for all these guys to play. This is now about quality of quantity. Get the player you want vs having 3 you settled on.

I think he’s more saying it shouldn’t happen, which I’d agree with especially for a D. I see no issue with the value.

Also I get you are justifying moving Hronek to draft D here, but Hronek has more value as a 2nd pairing offensive D than Gurianov.

Jiricek is a RHD and will need time in the minors probably about 2 seasons before makes the NHL and Lindstrom isn't ready for 2nd pair ice time. Kampfer is 33 and he wasn't all that good in his prime. So you bring in Kampfer move Lindstrom to the 2nd pair so you can trade Hronek for Gurianov who scored 20 goals 3 seasons ago and has struggled to hit double digits in goals the last 2 seasons. I don't think these make much sense for Detroit.

So I think the values great but if they move up to 5 its because somehow Cooley is still on the board otherwise ill be happy with Gauthier or savoie or whoever we get at 8. If they did get jiricek he isn't NHL ready and I'd hold onto hronek for another season.

Based on points alone, yes he does have more value than Gurianov. But when you factor in d zone brain farts Hronek tends to have, usually one a night. His value goes down to a 3rd line forward. I overall like Hronek but I think he's overvalued by Wings fans. Gurianov is a big winger who's good on the forecheck and can score. He was a big part of Dallas 2020 cup final run.

Jiricek will be a much better player than Hronek and a better 2nd pair Defenseman who's actually more like a 1st pair but he's have to overtake Seider on the top pair. If he did that'd be incredible for the Wings. Likely scenario is he'll be similar or slightly less than Seider on the right side. Still could be a top pair right D on most teams one day. Detroit would have Seider + Edvinsson as top pair. Walliner/Johansson + Jiricek on the 2nd pair. That's a hell of a future top 4. No room for Hronek and trading him for a forward is a good option. If Detroit could acquire Stankoven for Hronek I'd be thrilled but I doubt Dallas would let go.

I think that the move up makes sense because I see a qualitative difference between the top 6 and the next stratum, but the Hronek trade-away doesn't, Plus, Stevie being the horse trader that he is, I can see him getting at least one low-level draft pick back, just because.

As a 2nd rounder, Hronek is playing above his potential. He is 14th in points in his draft class, only behind 5 other D the likes of which include McAvoy, Serg, Fox, and Chych. Fox is the only one of those listed who’s played less games than Hronek.

Hronek is for sure a defensive liability, I think that changes with a higher quality partner which he has yet to have. But he is for sure worth more than Gurianov. That is a lost trade 1 for 1 and not happening. Even if G was a center.

Jiricek will also not immediately play in the show.

Jiricek will not be NHL ready next year. That's fine if he needs 1 or 2 years in the AHL. I think a guy like PK Subban can be signed for 1-2 years on a cheaper deal. Most of the forward UFA's (Forsberg, Trocheck, Niederreiter, Palat, Smith, Kadri, Buravovsky, Rakell) this year are going to want longer terms for too much money. Detroit needs better forwards though. But after drafting a Defenseman, Trading Hronek away for a forward who's cheap and under contract control and then replacing Hronek for a similar offensive output vet on a cheap short term deal is a smart thing to do. Maybe Detroit could swing Hronek for Gurianov + a forward prospect (Bourque?) for Hronek? i picked Dallas as they will be looking to replace Klingberg for a cheap option and Hronek fits the bill. Maybe Detroit can pry Stankoven out of Dallas...would you do the trade then?

I honestly just dont see Hronek as part of the long term future with how Detroit's been drafting D. I'm also not 100% sold on the forward talent in this years draft. I think the Defence guys Nemec and Jiricek are going to be studs. 2023 draft has far better forwards. Detroit will likely suck again and have another top 10 pick. Who knows, maybe they get lottery lucky and get Bedard or Michkov? Even if they aren't lottery lucky, there's so many high quality forwards in 2023 to target and no bonified D guy out there.

I think wings fans overvalue Hronek to be honest. He's in Detroit's top 4. That doesn't necessarily mean he should be or is a top 4 Dman.

I'm aware Jiricek won't play next year. He's 1-2 years away. That's fine. Replace Hronek's lost offense with PK Subban on a 1 or 2 year deal at 4 million per while we wait for Jiricek to come on RD. PK is another vet, still a gamer for his age. You honestly wouldn't notice much in difference of play between Hronek and Subban. Jiricek though will be a far superior long term solution on RD vs investing in Hronek.

I don’t even care whether they invest in Hronek or not, I’m just not trading him for Gurianov straight up. That’s a trade L.

That's a fair analysis. Detroit could likely get more than just Gurianov.

Why not just draft a forward at 8 and keep Hronek? Seems like there are a lot of extra steps.

Because Hronek actually isn’t as great as Wings fans believe and investing in him when a far better RD could be had through the draft isn’t that smart. Hronek does have some good value though so flipping him for forward help where Detroit’s thin would be a good option. Hronek can be replaced by a UFA on a short term deal. Why do all this? I believe most impact UFA forwards available will want long term inflated cap hit contracts and it’s wise to stay away from that. Trade Hronek for forward help that’s on RFA expiry contracts and can be resigned at cheaper value vs overpaying on the UFA market for someone like Rakell or Trocheck.

To be fair, thats a really well thought out AND fair proposal.

PHI only drops 3 spots, which is probably acceptable given the return. The 2nds are not high round and DET retains their own, but the difference in the top 5-6 in this draft and the next 7-8 guys is fairly huge this year.

I think we will just have to agree to disagree. Subban is the last thing a young locker room needs his attitude isn't worth it at all. We save the draft picks and draft Kasper. We aren't a playoff yet there will be free agents next year as well. Recently Hronek has been the most requested Wing in ACGM for a reason there aren't nearly enough good RHDs and while his defense may not be great but putting him with a defensively minded partner is better than trading him for a bottom 6 forward we already have enough Erne's. Moving Hronek to the wing is smarter than trading him for Gurianov. Honestly the only way to get a good young RHD is to draft him and trading one with out a someone who can replace him is just not smart. Thinking you can trade and buy your way out of the end of a rebuild is how you end up in a never ending rebuild. Look at Arizona and Buffalo or the Leafs who are at 50years and can't leave out the Wings who went 42 years. Yzerman has preached patients from day 1. He is doing it the right way by not spending assets when he doesn't need to. Detroit has awful lottery luck and betting on them to get a good lottery pick is like counting on the Mega-Millions to make your mortgage payment. It why for the time being Detroit can't afford to trade multiple picks for one pick. Think about it if Yzerman keeps to his plan so far once the team starts to fall into place he will have a ton of trade capital to trade for that last piece or 2 of the puzzle.

I hardly think a guy who won the King Clancy trophy this year has a major attitude problem. Sure, he can be a little cocky sometimes but most of this was always blown way out of proportion because he played in Montreal and was subject to Montreal writers.

It just seems every team that acquires him is all excited and less than a season later they are trying to ship him out. Plus with young locker room it doesn't take much to disrupt things. Normally using a fanbase's reaction probably doesn't mean much but when it is every fanbase he has played for maybe there is something to it.