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If WPG is just gonna blow it up

Created by: mbaer84
Team: 2022-23 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 27, 2022
Published: Jun. 27, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Helly a UFA in two years might as well if they gonna stink. To lazy to build the rest of the roster but sign most of the other RFAs and see where they are at as a team at the deadline/next offseason
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. 2022 1st round pick (NJD)
2.
WPG
  1. Kostin, Klim [RFA Rights]
  2. 2022 1st round pick (STL)
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Wheeler, Blake ($3,000,000 retained)
3.
WPG
  1. Kakko, Kaapo [RFA Rights]
  2. Lundkvist, Nils
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (NYR)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
11$82,500,000$47,837,024$0$1,700,000$34,662,976
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,142,857$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 4
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
C
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UFA - 4
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$5,875,000$5,875,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$5,950,000$5,950,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$900,000$900,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
RFA - 2

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Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:02 p.m.
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Sam
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NO MORE OFFENSE ONLY FORWRDS
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:06 p.m.
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Jersey would still need to add and there's nothing at all that starts the conversation for Scheifele on the New York deal.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:13 p.m.
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Rangers really don't have the cap for Scheiefe. Blues are thousands times better just resigning Perron and keeping Kostin and the first rounder than Wheeler.
A lot better options for Jersey than 6.2m Hellybuck for two years. Heck UFA Campbell and Helly have the same numbers, they can sign Campbell cheaper and keep the second overall.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:16 p.m.
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2nd overall pick for Helly is brutal.

Neither St Louis or the Rangers can afford Wheeler and Scheifele respectively.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:16 p.m.
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blues dont need wheeler and so we decline. plus inner division trading is a no no
Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Jersey would still need to add and there's nothing at all that starts the conversation for Scheifele on the New York deal.


Disagree- only two years of CH and then he’s UFA’d vs one of the best prospects in the draft that you can control for almost a decade. Plus he’s almost 30. If NJ adds, it’s nothing more than a B level prospect
Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:38 p.m.
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Super hard pass, thanks.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:39 p.m.
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Your description explains why NJD likely doesn’t touch this.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:40 p.m.
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Super hard pass, thanks.


Wheeler would have alot of super hard passes to Schenn for some goooooaaaaallllzzzzz
Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:43 p.m.
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Easy PASS from the Rangers.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 7:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Book_Hockey
Disagree- only two years of CH and then he’s UFA’d vs one of the best prospects in the draft that you can control for almost a decade. Plus he’s almost 30. If NJ adds, it’s nothing more than a B level prospect


Cool. Then Winnipeg will pass.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 8:05 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Jersey would still need to add and there's nothing at all that starts the conversation for Scheifele on the New York deal.


No, Jersey wouldn't need to add.
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 8:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Cool. Then Winnipeg will pass.


There you go, hold onto assets and continue to suck as opposed to accepting a fair deal and executing a proper rebuild. Nice!
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 8:06 p.m.
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Blues pass. We don't have the need or the space for wheeler
Jun. 27, 2022 at 8:07 p.m.
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Cool. Then Winnipeg will pass.


They'd be crazy to pass on the 2nd overall pick for Helle.
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Jun. 27, 2022 at 8:32 p.m.
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Rangers accept and add if Jets retain some salary
Jun. 27, 2022 at 10:38 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
No, Jersey wouldn't need to add.


I disagree. They would. It's not video game value were talking about here.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 10:39 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
No, Jersey wouldn't need to add.


You mean if the Jets make the trade they'll be world beaters just like Jersey?
Jun. 27, 2022 at 10:40 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
They'd be crazy to pass on the 2nd overall pick for Helle.


It's not a video game.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 10:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
You mean if the Jets make the trade they'll be world beaters just like Jersey?


Quoting: Windjammer
It's not a video game.


The Jets are clearly in a state of disarray with more than a couple guys who want out, they're not winning any cups any time soon and wouldn't get a better offer than this though I doubt NJ would actually do this.

Also I really hope Winnipeg isn't the team that signs Helle to his next contract, it'll likely be an anchor from day one.
Jun. 27, 2022 at 10:49 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
The Jets are clearly in a state of disarray with more than a couple guys who want out, they're not winning any cups any time soon and wouldn't get a better offer than this though I doubt NJ would actually do this.

Also I really hope Winnipeg isn't the team that signs Helle to his next contract, it'll likely be an anchor from day one.


I can see not signing him to his next contact, but the Jets can't afford to take all the risk now and trade Hellebuyck for a single pick. Winnipeg takes all the risk, Jersey takes none.

What of that one pick busts? Th then the Jets have traded a top 5 goalie for nothing. Jersey has to assume some of the risk as well for it to make sense.

Which is why trades for high picks don't usually work.
Jun. 28, 2022 at 8:00 a.m.
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I can see not signing him to his next contact, but the Jets can't afford to take all the risk now and trade Hellebuyck for a single pick. Winnipeg takes all the risk, Jersey takes none.

What of that one pick busts? Th then the Jets have traded a top 5 goalie for nothing. Jersey has to assume some of the risk as well for it to make sense.

Which is why trades for high picks don't usually work.


What is this logic? NJ assumes plenty of risk in addition to losing 6M+ of cap space. What if CH gets injured? What if his performance declines? If the pick in WPG busts, that’s on the scouting department. **** happens. But to say NJ assumes none of the risk is ludicrous
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Jun. 28, 2022 at 9:56 a.m.
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What is this logic? NJ assumes plenty of risk in addition to losing 6M+ of cap space. What if CH gets injured? What if his performance declines? If the pick in WPG busts, that’s on the scouting department. **** happens. But to say NJ assumes none of the risk is ludicrous


Right you're only looking at it from Jersey's point of view. First off the $6 mil cap space thing is a non-point. If NJ it's worried about the cap space, then don't make an offer for $6mil goalie.

What if 2OA gets injured, what if his play declines after being drafted? What if CH gets back to his Vezina form and 2OA turns out ordinary? So, every risk NJ takes, Winnipeg takes. Except the odds of the bad side developing for NJ are a far less since they are dealing with a known commodity. While Winnipeg's risks are much higher pinning all their hopes on one single player that has never played a game in the NHL.

If the pick doesn't reach their maximum potential, or very close to it, the Jets outright lose the trade badly.

You say "well that's on scouting", when everyone knows the draft is a crap shoot. A smart scouting team would want some insurance on their bet. NJ is getting a known commodity, Winnipeg is getting a magic bean.

Jersey has to assume some of the risk, to make it enticing for Winnipeg.

That's why trades like this don't happen without desperate teams. The value in a vacuum works, but most times, not in real life. So, unless Winnipeg goes full scorched earth rebuild, it just doesn't make sense for them.
Jun. 28, 2022 at 8:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
I can see not signing him to his next contact, but the Jets can't afford to take all the risk now and trade Hellebuyck for a single pick. Winnipeg takes all the risk, Jersey takes none.

What of that one pick busts? Th then the Jets have traded a top 5 goalie for nothing. Jersey has to assume some of the risk as well for it to make sense.

Which is why trades for high picks don't usually work.


I wouldn't be worried about the 2nd overall pick being a bust, I'd be more worried about keeping Helle and getting at best a late 1st and some B-prospect for him while the Jets continue to spiral down the toilet becoming a more irrelevant team further from contending than ever.

Highly doubtful NJ would do this anyway, their GM doesn't seem like an idiot.
 
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