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Team: 2022-23 Los Angeles Kings
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 30, 2022
Published: Jun. 30, 2022
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Based off this mock trade of mine https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/604597
(reasoning is in the comments there)

Trade break down:

Trade Value Breakdown:

Leafs:
Nylander for Kempe+Quick (Assuming Sandin = Durzi, TOR are favored in this trade so they need to add something but goes to ARZ since LA has favor in the Chychrun deal)
Sandin for Durzi

Kings:
Kempe+Quick for Nylander
Turcotte+Durzi+2023 1st (LA) for Chychrun

Coyotes:
Chychrun for Turcotte, Sandin, 2023 LA 1st
2.9m Quick retention for Leafs 2nd
Trades
1.
LAK
  1. Nylander, William
Additional Details:
3-way trade
TOR
  1. Durzi, Sean [RFA Rights]
  2. Kempe, Adrian [RFA Rights]
  3. Quick, Jonathan
Additional Details:
Arz retains 50% of Quick's cap for 2024 2nd (TOR)
2.
ARI
  1. Turcotte, Alex
  2. 2023 1st round pick (LAK)
Additional Details:
Arz gets Sandin from Toronto + sweetner probably
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Jun. 30, 2022 at 12:26 p.m.
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If someone completes this team for starting day, please ping me.
Jun. 30, 2022 at 12:30 p.m.
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Kind of feels like Phoenix and LA could work together and get better bang for their buck.

Upgrading Nylander from Kempe is not worth, Durzi and your starting goaltender.
Jun. 30, 2022 at 12:48 p.m.
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Kind of feels like Phoenix and LA could work together and get better bang for their buck.

Upgrading Nylander from Kempe is not worth, Durzi and your starting goaltender.


Quick is a rental for the Leafs at the end of the day, and they are exchanging Sanding for Durzi.

Nylander for Kempe probably is worth it in terms of the production. I moved out Kempe and Durzi because LA needs to also extend Anderson, Grunderstrom, and Vilardi and Moore next year (who has a similar skill set to Kempe kind of), so someone gots too go sooner or later. They could still add someone as a cheaper replacement for Kempe's skill set depending on the moves they make from here.

LA will have to give up a ton in futures for ARZ, so a 1 for 1 would be better for ARZ not LA.

Some execs think the ask for Chychrun is too high already, so here they are getting what they want but probably needs just a bit more which would come from the Leafs.

So, I was trying to think of the long-term implications of these trades for the teams and I think a 3-way like this would be something that might actually happen if it's true that the Leafs are interested in Quick and willing to send Nylander out. Personally, not a fan of trading Marner out, unless the Leafs can go get a cheaper replacement, someone like Necas but idk what they could give after this trade for him that Car would be interested in.
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Jun. 30, 2022 at 12:57 p.m.
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Quick is a rental for the Leafs at the end of the day, and they are exchanging Sanding for Durzi.

Nylander for Kempe probably is worth it in terms of the production. I moved out Kempe and Durzi because LA needs to also extend Anderson, Grunderstrom, and Vilardi and Moore next year (who has a similar skill set to Kempe kind of), so someone gots too go sooner or later. They could still add someone as a cheaper replacement for Kempe's skill set depending on the moves they make from here.

LA will have to give up a ton in futures for ARZ, so a 1 for 1 would be better for ARZ not LA.

Some execs think the ask for Chychrun is too high already, so here they are getting what they want but probably needs just a bit more which would come from the Leafs.

So, I was trying to think of the long-term implications of these trades for the teams and I think a 3-way like this would be something that might actually happen if it's true that the Leafs are interested in Quick and willing to send Nylander out. Personally, not a fan of trading Marner out, unless the Leafs can go get a cheaper replacement, someone like Necas but idk what they could give after this trade for him that Car would be interested in.


Quick will be the longest-tenured goalie in Kings history, the Kings during the rebuild offered every member of their core the option to move out. Quick declined, and went on to be the starter for all 7 games of our playoff run. No way after getting Fiala do the Kings rely on an unproven Cal Petersen. Expect Quick to not only retire a King, but to join the front office.

The issue with getting Nylander is they have a player with similar production who will sign cheaper, an issue that after signing Fiala is very important to the Kings. Additionally, Durzi and Anderson being likely budget RFA contracts, the Kings will rely heavily on those two taking discounts until more cap space appears.

For LA, we just don't want to lose too many active NHLers, we have prospects which is what Arizona wants (in regards to Chychrun)

I think it's unlikely the Kings and Leafs trade, but I could see something to a Durzi for Sandin type of trade if Clarke looks legit at training camp.
Jun. 30, 2022 at 1:02 p.m.
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Jun. 30, 2022 at 1:14 p.m.
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Quick will be the longest-tenured goalie in Kings history, the Kings during the rebuild offered every member of their core the option to move out. Quick declined, and went on to be the starter for all 7 games of our playoff run. No way after getting Fiala do the Kings rely on an unproven Cal Petersen. Expect Quick to not only retire a King, but to join the front office.

The issue with getting Nylander is they have a player with similar production who will sign cheaper, an issue that after signing Fiala is very important to the Kings. Additionally, Durzi and Anderson being likely budget RFA contracts, the Kings will rely heavily on those two taking discounts until more cap space appears.

For LA, we just don't want to lose too many active NHLers, we have prospects which is what Arizona wants (in regards to Chychrun)

I think it's unlikely the Kings and Leafs trade, but I could see something to a Durzi for Sandin type of trade if Clarke looks legit at training camp.


Lundqvist was in the same situation with the Rangers, and choose to stay with the Rangers declined. I expected him to retire as a NYR but he ended up getting bought out like 2 years later. So I wouldn't be surprised to see him go. If someone decides to continue this ACGM, maybe we will see what they could do about addressing the goalie situation.

ARZ is getting the prospects that they want, Sandin is likely to become a Chychrun replacement and they have the chance to look him up for cheap if they want probably. They are getting Turcotte and a 1st, on the other thread for the Leafs perspective, someone was saying that the Leafs are just bleeding out value, and I agree with him but Armstrong and Blake's positions next year are probably secure. LA probably does end up giving a bit more to the Leafs and perhaps paying for the Quick retention like I originally had it. LA ends up with the best player if not best two in the entire trade, and they are mostly paying in assets in Kempe and Durzi that allow them to keep others, while getting Chychrun for Turcotte and a 2023 1st and maybe a little more (beats giving them 2 good prospects + 2 firsts imo).
Jun. 30, 2022 at 1:29 p.m.
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Interesting concept, but I think the Kings lose in this trade. Assuming they were willing to trade Quick (they're not), If they're the ones giving up all of that, then Arizona should be retaining on Nylander, not on Quick.

If Toronto wants retention on Quick, they need to give up extra assets, not LA. Take out Durzi or Turcotte and add an equivalent prospect (Robertson?) going from Toronto to Arizona and this is closer to fair value. Otherwise, Toronto gets Quick at his full cap hit and LA gets Nylander with 25% retention by Arizona.
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Interesting concept, but I think the Kings lose in this trade. Assuming they were willing to trade Quick (they're not), If they're the ones giving up all of that, then Arizona should be retaining on Nylander, not on Quick.

If Toronto wants retention on Quick, they need to give up extra assets, not LA. Take out Durzi or Turcotte and add an equivalent prospect (Robertson?) going from Toronto to Arizona and this is closer to fair value. Otherwise, Toronto gets Quick at his full cap hit and LA gets Nylander with 25% retention by Arizona.


LA makes it out pretty well actually, if anything they are getting the best deal, ARZ is just getting their ask (which is probably too much but will call it even for them), and Tor is losing in terms of value, but they are getting cap flexibility.

LA would need to give up a lot more than a 2nd -which would be given for ARZ to pay for the Quick retention, whether LA or Tor pays it would be a matter of negotiation-for a 25% Nylander retention for 2 years (not sure why you want retention on him since his deal is already good value, especially considering they paid Fiala close to 8. Nylander PPG rate was 0.98 and Fiala's was 1.03. If you look career-wise Nylander kills Fiala by 0.11. Arz would take a top prospect from LA to retain on Nylander for 2 years)

LA loses Kempe, Durzi (who would probably cost at least 6.5m ,pretty much Nylander's cap, and perhaps more if they were to resign in LA), Quick, Turcotte, 2023 1st + 2nd (if they are paying for Quick retention) and get Nylander+Chychrun+1.2m (difference between Quick and Chychrun's contracts).

Long-term it's better for them to move NHL ready guys to get Chychrun, since they there's a ton of RFAs who broke out that need extensions this year (and allows them to keep a deep prospect pool), and Moore who's starting to break out as well will need an extension next year. Can't keep them all, so might as well move some of the guys that they need to sign now, Arz wouldn't be interested since it will waterdown the Chychrun return and also their financial position, but Toronto would be interested in Kempe and Durzi.

To get Chychrun from ARZ, Kings probably need to give two of their top prospects + their 2023 1st if they pay ARZ's ask. Top prospects as in Turcotte, Brandt Clarke, Kaliyev, etc...Durzi probably doesn't qualify (they would see him as a young guy at best but then would want a top prospect and two high picks)
Jun. 30, 2022 at 2:44 p.m.
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LA makes it out pretty well actually, if anything they are getting the best deal, ARZ is just getting their ask (which is probably too much but will call it even for them), and Tor is losing in terms of value, but they are getting cap flexibility.

LA would need to give up a lot more than a 2nd -which would be given for ARZ to pay for the Quick retention, whether LA or Tor pays it would be a matter of negotiation-for a 25% Nylander retention for 2 years (not sure why you want retention on him since his deal is already good value, especially considering they paid Fiala close to 8. Nylander PPG rate was 0.98 and Fiala's was 1.03. If you look career-wise Nylander kills Fiala by 0.11. Arz would take a top prospect from LA to retain on Nylander for 2 years)

LA loses Kempe, Durzi (who would probably cost at least 6.5m ,pretty much Nylander's cap, and perhaps more if they were to resign in LA), Quick, Turcotte, 2023 1st + 2nd (if they are paying for Quick retention) and get Nylander+Chychrun+1.2m (difference between Quick and Chychrun's contracts).

Long-term it's better for them to move NHL ready guys to get Chychrun, since they there's a ton of RFAs who broke out that need extensions this year (and allows them to keep a deep prospect pool), and Moore who's starting to break out as well will need an extension next year. Can't keep them all, so might as well move some of the guys that they need to sign now, Arz wouldn't be interested since it will waterdown the Chychrun return and also their financial position, but Toronto would be interested in Kempe and Durzi.

To get Chychrun from ARZ, Kings probably need to give two of their top prospects + their 2023 1st if they pay ARZ's ask. Top prospects as in Turcotte, Brandt Clarke, Kaliyev, etc...Durzi probably doesn't qualify (they would see him as a young guy at best but then would want a top prospect and two high picks)


I don't agree. Just because you potentially can't afford guys doesn't mean you move them out for less than their value.

They're not giving up a 2nd for 25% retention. They're giving up one of Turcotte or Durzi, two top quality pieces that are easily worth a total of $3.5M in retained cap hit (and only $2.1M in actual retained dollars if they wait until after July 13's signing bonus to trade him) by a team that isn't going to need or use the cap space.

However, the Kings have Quick's contract and Phaneuf's buyout falling off the books next summer. The following summer, Kopitar, Arvidsson, Roy, and Walker (if he's still around) all fall off the books. The Kings aren't in the dire cap situation that you describe. If they move Walker and wait until January to trade for Chychrun, then everyone fits and the Kings don't need to make any other moves.

As I said, the Kings aren't willing to trade Quick, so the whole idea is moot anyway. However, if they for some reason changed their minds, they'd still be losing out on this deal.
Jun. 30, 2022 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
I don't agree. Just because you potentially can't afford guys doesn't mean you move them out for less than their value.

They're not giving up a 2nd for 25% retention. They're giving up one of Turcotte or Durzi, two top quality pieces that are easily worth a total of $3.5M in retained cap hit (and only $2.1M in actual retained dollars if they wait until after July 13's signing bonus to trade him) by a team that isn't going to need or use the cap space.

However, the Kings have Quick's contract and Phaneuf's buyout falling off the books next summer. The following summer, Kopitar, Arvidsson, Roy, and Walker (if he's still around) all fall off the books. The Kings aren't in the dire cap situation that you describe. If they move Walker and wait until January to trade for Chychrun, then everyone fits and the Kings don't need to make any other moves.

As I said, the Kings aren't willing to trade Quick, so the whole idea is moot anyway. However, if they for some reason changed their minds, they'd still be losing out on this deal.


Where are you seeing them lose value if they plan to trade for Chychrun?

Kempe+Quick+2nd for Nylander is hardly a loss imo but if you think it is please give me the break down so I get an idea of how much you think the difference is
Turcotte+Durzi+1st for Chychrun is less than Arz's ask so they aren't losing here either if they plan to make that trade anyways. If they are only offering two pices for Chychrun then sure, but they make what they lose in value in the other trade.

As for Quick being traded, I just based this whole idea on the rumor from this site (https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Hitting-for-the-Cycle-UFA-Rumors-a-Trade-Rumor-an-Offer-Sheet-Rumor/1/117935). LA is not in a dire cap space atm but if they add Laine for example and extend all their RFAs they will move towards it.

I don't think Kempe+Durzi gets Laine but who knows, reason I picked Nylander though is because his contract expires when Kopitar's does

Just to reiterate the trade is

ARZ gets Turcotte+Sandin+1st and 2nd from LA
LA gets Nylander+Chychrun
Tor gets Kempe+Durzi+Quick
Jun. 30, 2022 at 3:34 p.m.
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Where are you seeing them lose value if they plan to trade for Chychrun?

Kempe+Quick+2nd for Nylander is hardly a loss imo but if you think it is please give me the break down so I get an idea of how much you think the difference is
Turcotte+Durzi+1st for Chychrun is less than Arz's ask so they aren't losing here either if they plan to make that trade anyways. If they are only offering two pices for Chychrun then sure, but they make what they lose in value in the other trade.

As for Quick being traded, I just based this whole idea on the rumor from this site (https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Hitting-for-the-Cycle-UFA-Rumors-a-Trade-Rumor-an-Offer-Sheet-Rumor/1/117935). LA is not in a dire cap space atm but if they add Laine for example and extend all their RFAs they will move towards it.

I don't think Kempe+Durzi gets Laine but who knows, reason I picked Nylander though is because his contract expires when Kopitar's does

Just to reiterate the trade is

ARZ gets Turcotte+Sandin+1st and 2nd from LA
LA gets Nylander+Chychrun
Tor gets Kempe+Durzi+Quick


The Kings aren't in on Laine, or any other big money forward. I think reports of their desire to add are greatly exaggerated, as I think they'll try fill that spot from within (Kaliyev). Look at Blake's exit interviews from the end of the season. He has stated several times that he expects most of the team's improvement to come from within. Arvidsson, Moore, Kempe, Fiala, Iafallo, and Kaliyev is a more than capable top 9. They have guys like Chromiak, ****emo, Vilardi, and Turcotte all looking to make the jump as well.

If Kempe gets Nylander money, then Quick + 2nd is reasonable compensation for the upgrade. However, if Kempe accepts a long-term deal @ $5M as Hoven expects him to get (from yesterday's Mayor's Manor podcast), then I don't think there's that much of a gap in value. The value difference between 5 years @ $5M for Kempe, and 2 years at $7M for Nylander is probably right around a 2nd round pick. The Kings' starting goaltender and the best goalie in franchise history is not a throw-in.
Jun. 30, 2022 at 3:53 p.m.
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The Kings aren't in on Laine, or any other big money forward. I think reports of their desire to add are greatly exaggerated, as I think they'll try fill that spot from within (Kaliyev). Look at Blake's exit interviews from the end of the season. He has stated several times that he expects most of the team's improvement to come from within. Arvidsson, Moore, Kempe, Fiala, Iafallo, and Kaliyev is a more than capable top 9. They have guys like Chromiak, ****emo, Vilardi, and Turcotte all looking to make the jump as well.

If Kempe gets Nylander money, then Quick + 2nd is reasonable compensation for the upgrade. However, if Kempe accepts a long-term deal $5M as Hoven expects him to get (from yesterday's Mayor's Manor podcast), then I don't think there's that much of a gap in value. The value difference between 5 years $5M for Kempe, and 2 years at $7M for Nylander is probably right around a 2nd round pick. The Kings' starting goaltender and the best goalie in franchise history is not a throw-in.


It's not 2 years of Nylander though, they would be able to sign him at 10m and Kopitar at 7m if they wanted and retain both. So based off that he isn't a rental (2 year), while Quick would be for the Leafs and his value would be similar to Tor as Fleury's which was a conditional 2nd (upgraded to a 1st depending on performance). The Kings paid Petersen starter money which might have been a grave mistake, but that also means they shouldn't be paying 10m on goaltending, if they can afford that then, they could use Quick's money for this year on a guy like Grubauer even if they need to pay a bit more.

What you mentioned about Quick is more about his value to the Kings as a person and not so much as a player now. As the best goalie in franchise, he will be given the option to stay or go like in the past, but it's not going to increase his trade value. So the real question is if Quick wants to go to Toronto or try competing for a cup in LA (he probably wouldn't make that decision without seeing how LA does this year, but who knows).

The sheer number of guys you mentioned, is why I think they could move Kempe and Durzi, they are moving 4 players (3 roster+1 potentially NHL ready guy) for 2, which isn't too bad.

Perhaps the rumors about them adding another top 6 after Fiala aren't true, but if they are I'm expecting Kempe to be the one who moves. Whether it be for Laine, Nylander, or someone else.
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It's not 2 years of Nylander though, they would be able to sign him at 10m and Kopitar at 7m if they wanted and retain both. So based off that he isn't a rental (2 year), while Quick would be for the Leafs and his value would be similar to Tor as Fleury's which was a conditional 2nd (upgraded to a 1st depending on performance). The Kings paid Petersen starter money which might have been a grave mistake, but that also means they shouldn't be paying 10m on goaltending, if they can afford that then, they could use Quick's money for this year on a guy like Grubauer even if they need to pay a bit more.

What you mentioned about Quick is more about his value to the Kings as a person and not so much as a player now. As the best goalie in franchise, he will be given the option to stay or go like in the past, but it's not going to increase his trade value. So the real question is if Quick wants to go to Toronto or try competing for a cup in LA (he probably wouldn't make that decision without seeing how LA does this year, but who knows).

The sheer number of guys you mentioned, is why I think they could move Kempe and Durzi, they are moving 4 players (3 roster+1 potentially NHL ready guy) for 2, which isn't too bad.

Perhaps the rumors about them adding another top 6 after Fiala aren't true, but if they are I'm expecting Kempe to be the one who moves. Whether it be for Laine, Nylander, or someone else.


But it is 2 years of Nylander. Since he's 2 years out from free agency, the Kings can't discuss an immediate extension with him, and there's no guarantee he re-signs when he reaches UFA. Likewise, why should the Kings compensate Toronto for non-contracted years?

Quick is still the Kings' starting goaltender, and with Peterson coming off a poor season, they're not ready to move on from him. Quick was fantastic this season and had the best year of his career since his Vezina-nominated campaign in 2012.

Both Kempe and LA have stated that they're interested in a long-term extension. The only question is whether their idea of AAV is in the same range. Kempe supposedly wants around $6M. LA wants to offer him $5M. I suspect he'll sign a one-year bridge deal this summer to see if he can repeat his performance from last year before before becoming a RFA one final time next summer. Any potential moves involving Kempe happen next summer, not this summer.
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But it is 2 years of Nylander. Since he's 2 years out from free agency, the Kings can't discuss an immediate extension with him, and there's no guarantee he re-signs when he reaches UFA. Likewise, why should the Kings compensate Toronto for non-contracted years?

Quick is still the Kings' starting goaltender, and with Peterson coming off a poor season, they're not ready to move on from him. Quick was fantastic this season and had the best year of his career since his Vezina campaign in 2012.


Idk I don't think they are paying too much even if they viewed Nylander as a 2-year rental but what you are saying makes sense. I also think the Leafs shouldn't trade Nylander without having a chance to see what they can sign him for. I don't think the Kings should try for another top 6 either. I also don't hope the Leafs are in on Quick, and I hope Quick retires as a King as well. I was assuming that Kempe+Durzi take less in Toronto than they would in LA because of the different circumstance.

That being said, a 3-way trade might still make sense for the defenders

With the LA getting Chychrun
TOR Durzi+more
ARZ Turcotte+Sandin+2023 1st

but this probably solves little to nothing for the Leafs, if they choose to flip Sandin for a RD. It's probably something that would happen at a different time, than a Chychrun trade (if it ever happens).




A 3-way trade probably

Both Kempe and LA have stated that they're interested in a long-term extension. The only question is whether their idea of AAV is in the same range. Kempe supposedly wants around $6M. LA wants to offer him $5M. I suspect he'll sign a one-year bridge deal this summer to see if he can repeat his performance from last year before before becoming a RFA one final time next summer. Any potential moves involving Kempe happen next summer, not this summer.[/quote]
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Idk I don't think they are paying too much even if they viewed Nylander as a 2-year rental but what you are saying makes sense. I also think the Leafs shouldn't trade Nylander without having a chance to see what they can sign him for. I don't think the Kings should try for another top 6 either. I also don't hope the Leafs are in on Quick, and I hope Quick retires as a King as well. I was assuming that Kempe+Durzi take less in Toronto than they would in LA because of the different circumstance.

That being said, a 3-way trade might still make sense for the defenders

With the LA getting Chychrun
TOR Durzi+more
ARZ Turcotte+Sandin+2023 1st

but this probably solves little to nothing for the Leafs, if they choose to flip Sandin for a RD. It's probably something that would happen at a different time, than a Chychrun trade (if it ever happens).

A 3-way trade probably


That trade is more palatable for the Kings, but at that point, it seems like this should just be two different trades for Arizona instead of a three-way deal.

If Arizona wants to swap Durzi for Sandin after they trade Chychrun to LA, then that's up to them.

*edit: I see you said the same thing at the end. It looks like we're in agreement.
 
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