Motte is a 15-20 point 4th liner. Why is he getting 2 million?

More to hockey than points. Players like motte are sought after for bottom 6 roles so you have to pay a bit more. Worse comes to worse you trade him.

So let me get this straight. You overpay to get a 4th liner because "reasons" and if it doesn't work you you just trade the guy who is over paid.

I definitely like Motte but he's a bubble player who may spend a good chuck of time in the press box. Give him a million tops. If he doesn't pan out, you can always send him to the farm.

Also I wouldn't trade a point a game player for a couple of lesser players. We are in win now mode.

Konecny in my opinion is very capable of getting to a point per game or at least close. The top 6 in philly is just not great and that whole team is a mess. Laughton on our 3rd with kampf and pulju makes a really amazing defensive checking line. The 1st is an added bonus that can be flipped at the deadline for other assets.

Konecny is poised to have a big year, Nylander and him have followed very similar development paths. I think that deal is an absolute steal for the leafs. Heck, I’d do it without the first if I was Toronto

The first is more of an insurance pick if it doesn't pan out quite like what they hope. I do also believe that there would be massive interest in Nylander from teams like the Isles looking for offense, so philly would have to add at the very least a 2nd.

Two years of Nylander isn't worth a first rounder to the Flyers. Actually don't think the Flyers would even do Nylander and Holl for Konecky and Laughton. Hate the goaltending pair.

No Engvall but supposedly Motte is better.

To think some 50 point winger from a bad team will immediately be equal to a point a game player is ridiculous. Nylander is a game breaking talent. And he's getting more consistent with more to give still.

Leafs have 4 real good offensive forwards that aren't gritty type players. Tavares you can't trade, Matthews and Marner they won't trade so that leaves Nylander. Laughton and Konecny bring the element they lack. I'd sign Ashton-Reese for less money than Motte and he hits everything in sight.

Similar development paths? Nylander matched Konecny's best season in his rookie season and has matched or surpassed that output in all but his lockout shortened season. These are not similar players. One is a middle 6, 50 point winger and the other is a point a game player.

You really don't like Nylander eh?

They have 4 guys that put points up but no grit. Nylander unfortunately is the odd man out and getting 2 guys that fit the style they lack is a great pick up. imo

Apparently you missed Matthews throwing his weight around all over the ice in the playoffs. JT never backs down from the hard areas. Marner has no fear of getting hit and Nylander goes to the net all the time. "Grit" isn't just hitting and fighting. It's fighting through hard areas and all 4 do that.

That's just a nonsense mob thought argument. Keep dreaming

No, I like Nylander and he is totally worth his 7m X 2. contract But he is about the only Leaf the Leafs could trade to get cap space to sign a goalie.
I don't think the out of playoffs Flyers are a fit for short term Nylander. Especially when trading for the 5th overall pick included.

Agree with are your "grit" comment. If so called "grit" is the need to the teams success why do so many CapFriendly posts have non playoff players being traded to the Leafs?

Kerfoot, Holl and Mrazek are either valuable players who bring back space and assets, or isn't that hard to move. That's nearly 10 million in cap space. Plus the 8 they have. That's 18 million to find a goalie, a 7th defenceman, sign Engvall, Sandin and maybe even find a 2LW. It's not nearly as dire as you make it out to be.

I hope you're right. But IMO Mrazrek is "dire" situation.

LOL, you must be Dubas little brother.

He's a goalie with 300 games of above average play. One bad season doesn't wash it all away. Sure he won't bring back much if anything but it won't be all that hard to move him. There are few goalies available with better numbers than him and more teams that need goaltending. I bet someone takes a flyer on him for basically nothing but cap space.

No, I just understand hockey and don't equate winning with hitting. Colorado just won the cup with basically the same blueprint TO has. Skill and speed. They luckily faced a battered Tampa team in the final that TO gave everything they could handle when they were healthy. To suggest TO wasn't close this season is straight up trolling.

OTT isnt buying out Murray

Nylander has only been a PPG player when he’s a 3rd liner… it’s odd. Not sure what to make of it but he hasn’t really done much going against better talent and having better talent play with him.

Check their stats based on age. They have pretty much identical PPG production each year. Almost scary.

So you didn't look at this at all before saying this eh? They are a year apart. Konecny has 271 points in 428 games. Nylander has 343 in 439. That's 72 more points in 11 more games. Almost scary how far apart their "pretty much identical ppg" is. As I mentioned. Nylander's rookie and sophomore seasons match Konecny's best season. There was a couple years when they were close but one of those seasons was the one Nylander missed the first half of the season and Babcock put him on the 4th line because he was a terrible coach.