Massive 4-way trade between VGK TOR ANA WSH

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Created by: justaBoss

Team: 2022-23 Vegas Golden Knights

Initial Creation Date: Jul. 1, 2022

Published: Jul. 1, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

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4-way trade between VGK, TOR, WSH and ANA

VGK gets: John Gibson, Justin Holl, Nick Abruzzese, Nicholas Robertson, 2024 2nd rd pick (TOR)

TOR gets: William Karlsson, Robin Lehner, 2022 5th rd pick (TOR)

ANA gets: Petr Mrazek, Nicholas Hague, Roni Hirvonen, Jonas Røndbjerg, Zach Dean, 2023 1st rd pick (TOR), 2022 2nd rd pick (WPG), 2022 3rd round pick (WPG)

WSH gets: Alex Kerfoot

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Trade constructed as such

Step 1: VGK trades F William Karlsson to TOR for D Justin Holl, F Nick Robertson and 2023 1st round pick (TOR).

Step 2: VGK trades G Robin Lehner and a 2022 5th round pick to TOR for F Alex Kerfoot, F Roni Hirvonen and 2022 3rd round pick (TOR).

Step 3: TOR dumps G Petr Mrazek to VGK for the compensation of 2024 2nd round pick and F Nick Abruzzese

Step 4: VGK trades F Alex Kerfoot to WSH for 2022 2nd round pick (WPG)

Step 5: VGK trades D Nicholas Hague, F Zach Dean, F Roni Hirvonen, 2023 1st rd pick (TOR) and 2022 3rd rd pick (WPG) to ANA for G John Gibson

Step 6: VGK dumps G Petr Mrazek to ANA for the compensation of 2022 2nd rd pick (WPG) and F Jonas Røndbjerg

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Roy, Nicolas	2	$2,375,000
Kolesar, Keegan	3	$1,050,000
Leschyshyn, Jake	2	$900,000
Dugan, Jack	1	$874,125
Pachal, Brayden	1	$750,000
Jones, Benjamin	1	$750,000
Ferguson, Dylan	1	$750,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Smith, Reilly		3	$4,850,000

Trades

VGK

Abruzzese, Nick
Hirvonen, Roni
Holl, Justin
Kerfoot, Alexander
Mrázek, Petr
Robertson, Nicholas
2022 3rd round pick (WPG)
2023 1st round pick (TOR)
2024 2nd round pick (TOR)

TOR

VGK

2022 2nd round pick (WPG)

WSH

Kerfoot, Alexander

VGK

Gibson, John
2022 5th round pick (TOR)

ANA

Dean, Zach
Hague, Nicolas [RFA Rights]
Hirvonen, Roni
Mrázek, Petr
Røndbjerg, Jonas [RFA Rights]
2022 2nd round pick (WPG)
2022 3rd round pick (WPG)
2023 1st round pick (TOR)

VGK

TOR

2022 5th round pick (TOR)

VGK

Future considerations

BUF

Brossoit, Laurent
Howden, Brett [RFA Rights]
2024 3rd round pick (VGK)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$82,500,000	$82,400,834	$0	$0	$99,166

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Pacioretty, Max $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Eichel, Jack $10,000,000$10,000,000 C NMC UFA - 4	Stone, Mark $9,500,000$9,500,000 RW NMC UFA - 5
Marchessault, Jonathan $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Stephenson, Chandler $2,750,000$2,750,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Smith, Reilly $4,850,000$4,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 3
Robertson, Nicholas $796,667$796,667 LW, RW RFA - 2	Roy, Nicolas $2,375,000$2,375,000 C, RW UFA - 5	Patrick, Nolan $1,200,000$1,200,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Carrier, William $1,400,000$1,400,000 LW UFA - 2	Amadio, Michael $762,500$762,500 RW, LW UFA - 2	Kolesar, Keegan $1,050,000$1,050,000 RW UFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Theodore, Shea $5,200,000$5,200,000 LD/RD UFA - 3	Pietrangelo, Alex $8,800,000$8,800,000 RD NMC UFA - 5	Gibson, John $6,400,000$6,400,000 G M-NTC UFA - 5
Martinez, Alec $5,250,000$5,250,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Whitecloud, Zach $2,750,000$2,750,000 RD UFA - 6	Thompson, Logan $766,667$766,667 G UFA - 3
McNabb, Brayden $2,850,000$2,850,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Hutton, Ben $850,000$850,000 LD UFA - 2		Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 4
Abruzzese, Nick $850,000$850,000 LW, C RFA - 1

Jul. 1, 2022 at 3:43 p.m.

GeneralLandro

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This is mighty interesting

Show do we get Roy in the deal to Anaheim

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Jul. 1, 2022 at 3:43 p.m.

The_Rocket

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Obviously this is very complicated but it feels like Karlsson is being valued to high in these deals

Jul. 1, 2022 at 3:43 p.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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Seems like a big loser for toronto. Who probably can't afford it cap wise anyways

Jul. 1, 2022 at 3:45 p.m.

PhillyDip123

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I applaud you for the creativity, but I think it’s a bit early for the Leafs to be trading Robertson. If he plays a season and absolutely lights it up, he’s insanely more valuable than this off-season. It’d be cheaper and maybe better long-term for the Leafs to bet on their prospects.

Again, I think what you’ve done is super creative and it’s nice to see trades that aren’t Muzzin to LA for a while.

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Jul. 1, 2022 at 3:47 p.m.

Byrr

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Doubt you'll find much interest for Karlsson at that kind of price. He's not living up to his 5.9 mil aav deal, he's not young and he's signed to term.

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Jul. 1, 2022 at 3:47 p.m.

justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: The_Rocket

Obviously this is very complicated but it feels like Karlsson is being valued to high in these deals

Well as said in the description, I valued Karlsson at Holl+Robertson+1st. I think that's a relatively fair price for a solid 2C inked long-term.

Jul. 1, 2022 at 3:48 p.m.

justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: Byrr

Doubt you'll find much interest for Karlsson at that kind of price. He's not living up to his 5.9 mil aav deal, he's not young and he's signed to term.

What do you think is a fair price then

Jul. 1, 2022 at 3:48 p.m.

justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Seems like a big loser for toronto. Who probably can't afford it cap wise anyways

It would probably require moving Muzzin

Jul. 1, 2022 at 3:49 p.m.

justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: GeneralLandro

This is mighty interesting

Show do we get Roy in the deal to Anaheim

I don't think he's available unfortunately. He's of great importance for Knights.

Jul. 1, 2022 at 4:09 p.m.

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TMLBRIAN

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Leafs are paying too much in here.

They give up -

1. 2023 1st rd pick (TOR)
2. Nicholas Robertson
3. 2024 2nd rd pick (TOR)
4. Roni Hirvonen
5. 2022 3rd round pick (WPG).
6. Justin Holl
7. Alex Kerfoot
8. Nick Abruzzese
9. Petr Mrazek

for

William Karlsson, Robin Lehner, 2022 5th rd pick (TOR)

Karlsson is borderline cap dump at this point (although I like him a lot). So call him even or of little value. I like Lehner and he would be a decent solution for the Leafs and a 5th rounder.

None of that equals what we give up. Mrazek is the only negative asset in there. Let's say him and Kerfoot cancel each other out. You give a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, A- Prospect in Robertson, 2 B prospects, Holl who is worth 3rd-5th round pick. So lets say he cancels out the 5th.

I am not giving a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, A- Prospect in Robertson, 2 B prospects for Lehner and Karlsson. Goalies don't have a crazy trade value and Karlsson isn't fully living up to his cap.

I like the creativity though but this will need some rework (at least from the Leafs perspective)

Jul. 1, 2022 at 4:11 p.m.

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justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: TMLBRIAN

I did put all valuations in the description. Tell me which of the steps need re-working, and what would you be willing to pay.

Jul. 1, 2022 at 4:16 p.m.

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TMLBRIAN

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Quoting: justaBoss

I did put all valuations in the description. Tell me which of the steps need re-working, and what would you be willing to pay.

Step 1: VGK trades F William Karlsson to TOR for D Justin Holl, F Nick Robertson and 2023 1st round pick (TOR). - Remove this entirely. No need for Karlsson from the Leafs end.

Step 2: VGK trades G Robin Lehner and a 2022 5th round pick to TOR for F Alex Kerfoot, F Roni Hirvonen and 2022 3rd round pick (TOR). - I am okay with this as long as there are no other goalie options they like

Step 3: TOR dumps G Petr Mrazek to VGK for the compensation of 2024 2nd round pick and F Nick Abruzzese - I assume it will cost a 2nd tops to dump Mrazek. So remove Abruzzese.

In Short:
Step 1 = Cancel completely
Step 2 = Keep as is
Step 3 = Remove Abruzzese

Jul. 1, 2022 at 4:34 p.m.

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TagesMissedShots

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Sabres would probably do that since they can actually use Broissoit

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Jul. 1, 2022 at 4:39 p.m.

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odyssey

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Way too many pieces moving in that leafs trade, make it two trades or something because it’s just way too much going one way

Jul. 1, 2022 at 4:40 p.m.

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justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: odyssey

Way too many pieces moving in that leafs trade, make it two trades or something because it’s just way too much going one way

It's basically three trades, but you'd know it IF YOU READ THAT DESCRIPTION

Jul. 1, 2022 at 4:41 p.m.

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odyssey

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Quoting: justaBoss

It's basically three trades, but you'd know it IF YOU READ THAT DESCRIPTION

I’m on mobile and I have to swipe to the left a little see it, but I seen it

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