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Reports Hughes looking for top 10 Pick

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 3, 2022
Published: Jul. 3, 2022
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Given Hughes is Stockpiling Picks i gotta assume its in hopes he can move up Draft Day.
MTL on Draft Day makes deals with NYI and EDM
During the Summer DAL and CGY deals are made
The Drouin,Byron,Dadanov and Monahan deals during the TDL
Provided this Post isnt complete Anarchy and i get good info
Ill tackle what the cost of the actual Top 10 pick would be next post
Just trying to get a sence of Direction on how to collect assets to make it work



The Hoffman trade is mostly just testing the waters for an idea i had
Moving him and the trade isnt my Primary focus though banging out a NYI deal is
I just thought this deal both guys get a new start

All this is focused around building up the youth and letting them take jobs.
Pitlick could very well end up on top line given how he played under MSL last year.
Gally could Rebound and step into that role.
There's also Armia who's had a great Summer winning a Title

We got Josh Roy ,Sean Farrel and Emill Heineman coming soon
We have Jesse Ylonen,Jan Mysak and Riley Kidney already here in the AHL
Plus what we got in the trades above MTL is in better shape with plenty of Picks
Free Agent Signings
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3$2,750,000
3$1,450,000
2$1,100,000
2$1,100,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
3$950,000
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Wright, Shane
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Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Dufour, William
  2. 2022 1st round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
Dufour had a Career year in Junior but i dont think that changes his Projection of a Cal Clutterbuck or Joel Armia type Physical Checking Forward in the bottom 6.


That said a Quebec Born Big Winger who plays hard nosed hockey and parks himself infront of the Goalie will be sure to sell a Ton of Jersey's for MTL while playing competent Shutdown Hockey

His value is running high right now as a year ago he was just one of many Point Per Game players in the QMJHL. He found a line much like Dmitri Jaskin did when Moncton acuqired Ivan Barbashev and Phil Danault to play with him as he went from 3rd line behind Connor Garlands and Yannick Villeux's line's during a Rebuild.

Jaskin that year after a Horrible start during a rebuild in Which rookie Garland was brought up at 16 years old to play top line with the Twins ahead of Lalonde's line with Vieulleux and Penny. Jaskin and Barbashev were struggling until Phil Danault was acquired and injected in the 3rd line LW.

Jaskin finished the year 4th in QMJHL Scoring one of the most dominant finishers in the QMJHL that year. Something crazy like 60 pts in 25 games he was on fire. He entered the NHL as a regular bottom 6 forward alongside Barbashev in STL with his style never transitioning past that point despite being a standout that 1 year in junior

Dufour had 17 more pts in 15 more games but their styles and production are mimicing each other. Plus i watched both play live and its like Deja Vu

I give this Longwinded Example In Context because people on here always over value prospects after a Tournament. While Value's do rise people on here assume because they're in the media they're untouchable now. Reality is its more likely that NYI will Leverage that using it to win the Bidding War that's surrounding Josh Anderson
NYI
  1. Anderson, Josh
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MTL wont give away Anderson
MTL doesnt need to with Multiple Offers
The Onus is on NYI to make a bid worth taking

I suspect if Lou's this Aggressive in getting Anderson then its only because he has an offer in waiting for another player maybe a JGP or Bailey who've both been in trade rumors with Varlamov.

Point is Lou must have a plan
So im not going to worry to much about How
Focus on the Who,What ,When and Where
2.
MTL
  1. Monahan, Sean
Additional Details:
1 for 1
Pending UFA who's struggling with a lower Value for someone's who's a Pending UFA next year at a nearly 2m dollar cheaper deal during a year CGY has to sign Key Pieces on a budget.

Both team today can get something ,sure
Both teams tomorrow could get a lot more if these players rebound their value's after a fresh start.

Its not impossible Bennett did it in FLA and Tatar did it in MTL. Why not Monahan and Hoffman?
CGY
  1. Hoffman, Mike
Additional Details:
MTL cash's in on Monahan,Drouin,Dadanov and Byron this year at the TDL.Not all will rebound their value or even get much return however with the ability to RS on 3/4 it does increase the odd's

I think this is a Win Win Deal myself
3.
MTL
  1. Bäck, Oskar
  2. Faksa, Radek
Additional Details:
DAL has like 3 Right handed Shots but tons of Center who can take Faceoffs at 55% on average. To say they'd do this move in a heartbeat is an understatment

Both teams could use the other player equally and both are on similar deals with Similar value's. Plus with Klingberg gone this helps with RD
DAL
  1. Norlinder, Mattias
  2. Savard, David
Additional Details:
MTL gets a Big Physical Center with a solid Win rate who's probably one of the top 3 Defensive Zone Faceoff Center in the NHL. He's good at feeding long pass's which means more possession time for Armia.

Armia when given a Center who can win Faceoffs like Staal or Danault was a Wrecking Ball and a Short Handed Goal Leader in the NHL. Without he's not much of anything really.

The deal is 1 for 1 on NHL level
1 for 1 on AHL level
Its suppose to provide balance

MTL has a log jam at AHL and NHL for LD
Norlinder is the most likely person to move
Back is a LW prospect in DAL mid level where
They are also strong

Again both teams get Value and improve their AHL teams this time
4.
MTL
    Focus is on Moves made in the Off Season
    All these a TDL moves that will be made later.

    Trying not to split the focus too much
    The Comment Section i suspect will already be lively
    DAL
    1. Byron, Paul ($1,700,000 retained)
    2. Dadonov, Evgeni ($2,500,000 retained)
    3. Drouin, Jonathan
    4. Monahan, Sean ($3,185,000 retained)
    Additional Details:
    I think Drouin's odd man out and might get a late pick but is more likely to end up on IR then in a deal

    The other 3 will get a decent return
    Primary focus is on getting youth minutes
    Dvorak,Gally & Armia will stay as VET FW leaders
    5.
    MTL
    1. Kassian, Zack
    2. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
    Additional Details:
    MTL takes on Kassian's cap letting so they can re-sign Kane. EDM is in a Cap Crunch and has been linked to MTL among others offering their 1st round pick in 2022
    EDM
      29OA Pick to keep Kassian a year then trade him next year at the TDL.
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 9:18 a.m.
      #1
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      Wait... Is that Dufour the Memorial Cup hero? What team would trade him?
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 9:22 a.m.
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      Isles decline. They’ll take Lambert/Nazar at 13 and keep Dufour.

      Clutterbuck and Armia were never good PP options. Dufour can be a PP specialist. A safe projection for Dufour is a 3rd line two way winger but now that he improved his skating he is potentially on a 2nd line trajectory.

      The only way the isles give up pick 13 is for a top line 60-70 pt player. This is one of the most unrealistic trades I’ve ever seen on this site.
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 9:29 a.m.
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      Considering that both Anaheim and Arizona would take on Kassian and a third for a sixth-round pick, I think that you're a little optimistic on the Edmonton idea.
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 9:37 a.m.
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      MTL just keeps Anderson. That NYI trade is so bad for Isles in myriad of ways it's not even funny.
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:05 a.m.
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      I heard the rumor was Bailey and Varlamov for Kidney, Allen and the Flames 1st rounder.
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:10 a.m.
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      This is closer to what an Anderson package would look like BUT I still don't like it and would rather keep Josh. 13OA is a maybe and Dufour doesnt look like much more than a middle of the lineup player. Neither will come close to Anderson's value on an NHL club.
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:18 a.m.
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      Oilers can just buyout Kassian quite cheap instead of paying a 1st thought that gets less likely with each passing day in the buyout window.
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 12:30 p.m.
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      Quoting: OldNYIfan
      Considering that both Anaheim and Arizona would take on Kassian and a third for a sixth-round pick, I think that you're a little optimistic on the Edmonton idea.


      Nobody should be doing that for Kassian. His value above is about one round high and that's it.
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 12:35 p.m.
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      Nobody should be doing that for Kassian. His value above is about one round high and that's it.


      ????

      I'm the one giving up the sixth.

      Or are you saying that we should only get a fifth, not a third?
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 12:38 p.m.
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      ????

      I'm the one giving up the sixth.

      Or are you saying that we should only get a fifth, not a third?


      I'm saying the cost of Edmonton dumping Kassian at this time is solidly a 2nd. A 3rd is too little, maybe at the trade deadline, but not now.
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 10:45 p.m.
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      Wait... Is that Dufour the Memorial Cup hero? What team would trade him?


      Any Team with an IQ over 20 i guess.

      NYR did it to ARZ to get a player in almost an identical situation with more pieces
      Duclair was used to land Yandle in a bundle with more Quantity then Quantity and John Moore being the biggest success of the players ARZ got

      NYR used the fact that people like you get hyped over a tournament
      To me he's Jaskin 2.0 if he's lucky nothing more and i watch him live more then 4 games a year if the Memorial Cups on like most people

      He's good but he's not great
      He found a solid Trio but before those 2 guys he was nothing special
      After those 2 guys go he'll be likely the least successfull because of it
      Both Jaskin's partners in Danault and Barbashev both have success he didnt
      That's despite him having that single season like Dufour where he stood out

      Consistency Matters and Dufour relies too much on other for his success to remain at this level.
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 10:47 p.m.
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      Quoting: mokumboi
      I'm saying the cost of Edmonton dumping Kassian at this time is solidly a 2nd. A 3rd is too little, maybe at the trade deadline, but not now.


      Thats not how a dump works
      That's what you call selling low
      Its something you do before you called all 31 teams and were told no as per Bob Mckenzie

      Now EDM is in a place where they move him to Sign Kane or keep him and dont.
      Either way i couldnt care less but 1 things for sure they wont make it far in the playoffs without Kane , they never did before him despite 2 Rocket Richard Winners

      Leverage isnt something EDM has
      They either want to Contend , Pretend or Rebuild
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 10:49 p.m.
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      Thats not how a dump works
      That's what you call selling low
      Its something you do before you called all 31 teams and were told no as per Bob Mckenzie

      Now EDM is in a place where they move him to Sign Kane or keep him and dont.
      Either way i couldnt care less but 1 things for sure they wont make it far in the playoffs without Kane , they never did before him despite 2 Rocket Richard Winners

      Leverage isnt something EDM has
      They either want to Contend , Pretend or Rebuild


      Selling low? On Kassian? Bro... he's a cap dump.
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 10:52 p.m.
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      Quoting: OldNYIfan
      Considering that both Anaheim and Arizona would take on Kassian and a third for a sixth-round pick, I think that you're a little optimistic on the Edmonton idea.


      Not According to Bob Mckenzie last TDL
      EDM called literally every single team begging for them to take him
      Basically trying to give him away

      But you can pretend that available cap= "they'll probably take him " as if he still has value
      I'll be back down here on earth with the clear understanding he's a cap dump
      Buying him outs too costly, Keeping him means no success in the post season as per EDM history with him
      They kept Kassian over Maroon and have paid for it ever since.
      Question is are they done yet ?
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 10:54 p.m.
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      Quoting: mokumboi
      Selling low? On Kassian? Bro... he's a cap dump.


      Read it again in a Sarcastic Tone
      You'll see i agree
      The 3rd line you really need to lay the Sarcasm on thick with "SMH"
      (i was mocking your evaluation openly)
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 10:59 p.m.
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      Not According to Bob Mckenzie last TDL
      EDM called literally every single team begging for them to take him
      Basically trying to give him away

      But you can pretend that available cap= "they'll probably take him " as if he still has value
      I'll be back down here on earth with the clear understanding he's a cap dump
      Buying him outs too costly, Keeping him means no success in the post season as per EDM history with him
      They kept Kassian over Maroon and have paid for it ever since.
      Question is are they done yet ?


      Well, all I can tell you is that as the Anaheim GM, I would happily accept Edmonton's 2023 third-round pick for Kassian in exchange for our 2023 sixth-round pick.
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:07 p.m.
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      Quoting: Jester9881
      I heard the rumor was Bailey and Varlamov for Kidney, Allen and the Flames 1st rounder.


      No you didnt
      MTL isnt Buying

      There's no links for NYI trade with MTL that doesnt include Anderson i just went 10 pages deep on Google search on all Articles the last 6 months
      MTL wasnt linked to Bailey last year either we're more then good at his position
      It would be like NYI acquiring another Bottom 6 forward when you have the #1 4th line in the NHL the last 3 years running


      Only conclusion i can come up with is you made it up
      Or someone on here did in a post and you're quoting an Armchair GM not an Actual Factual Source
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:12 p.m.
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      No you didnt
      MTL isnt Buying

      There's no links for NYI trade with MTL that doesnt include Anderson i just went 10 pages deep on Google search on all Articles the last 6 months
      MTL wasnt linked to Bailey last year either we're more then good at his position
      It would be like NYI acquiring another Bottom 6 forward when you have the #1 4th line in the NHL the last 3 years running


      Only conclusion i can come up with is you made it up
      Or someone on here did in a post and you're quoting an Armchair GM not an Actual Factual Source


      Sounds like a troll post. Bailey is a cap dump. Varlamov more or less the same. Doesnt even make sense in the slightest despite what you feel about player values as Montreal is dumping cap and not taking on cap.
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:13 p.m.
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      Well, all I can tell you is that as the Anaheim GM, I would happily accept Edmonton's 2023 third-round pick for Kassian in exchange for our 2023 sixth-round pick.


      But you're not and they said no
      That's what "they reached out to all the NHL Gm's and there was no deals to be made" means
      It doesnt mean"uhh maybe if someone online thinks its fair we'll take him"

      If there was a New GM in ANA since then sure its totally possible
      Reality is Pat Verbeek was there and said no already
      Given he's still in his first year on the job what are the odds he changes his mind for that trade?

      I mean i just dont see a world where Kassian has Value in a Cap World
      Why would Ana pay for him after trading a much more effective fighter/bottom 6 guy making 1m in Deslauriers who lead NHL in fights the past 2 years?

      That's the definition of a Lateral move at best
      At worst they just Paid to Downgrade because you liked Kassian?

      From a Business POV that's enough to tank any business model over time
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:14 p.m.
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      Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
      Sounds like a troll post. Bailey is a cap dump. Varlamov more or less the same. Doesnt even make sense in the slightes despite what you feel about player values as Montreal is dumping cap and not taking on cap.


      Ever consider its you?
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:17 p.m.
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      Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
      Sounds like a troll post. Bailey is a cap dump. Varlamov more or less the same. Doesnt even make sense in the slightes despite what you feel about player values as Montreal is dumping cap and not taking on cap.


      If you could read you'd see the only Cap they took they Flipped within 1 year to 16 months for a Profit
      That fits with Hughes strengths as he does well flipping UFA's at the Trade Deadline

      Cap Dumps Longterm i agree we're not taking
      Point out where i took one of those
      Or admit you kinda read something then went "he didnt mention this so clearly that's what he meant"
      But i mean what i say and say what i mean
      Agree of Disagree that's fine but dont think ignoring Context will be met with anything but hostility
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:18 p.m.
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      But you're not and they said no
      That's what "they reached out to all the NHL Gm's and there was no deals to be made" means
      It doesnt mean"uhh maybe if someone online thinks its fair we'll take him"

      If there was a New GM in ANA since then sure its totally possible
      Reality is Pat Verbeek was there and said no already
      Given he's still in his first year on the job what are the odds he changes his mind for that trade?

      I mean i just dont see a world where Kassian has Value in a Cap World
      Why would Ana pay for him after trading a much more effective fighter/bottom 6 guy making 1m in Deslauriers who lead NHL in fights the past 2 years?

      That's the definition of a Lateral move at best
      At worst they just Paid to Downgrade because you liked Kassian?

      From a Business POV that's enough to tank any business model over time


      I just LOVE the way you claim to have the insider knowledge on what Pat Verbeek was presented with and what he responded.
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      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:19 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billy739
      If you could read you'd see the only Cap they took they Flipped within 1 year to 16 months for a Profit
      That fits with Hughes strengths as he does well flipping UFA's at the Trade Deadline

      Cap Dumps Longterm i agree we're not taking
      Point out where i took one of those
      Or admit you kinda read something then went "he didnt mention this so clearly that's what he meant"
      But i mean what i say and say what i mean
      Agree of Disagree that's fine but dont think ignoring Context will be met with anything but hostility


      No clue what you're talking about. I wasnt contradicting you. I was directing my attention at the trade price. I have a lot of these Isles homers blocked. They say such ridiculous nonsense as Seravalli and Lebrun are bloggers that know nothing, you cant talk to ppl like that. Somehow a bunch of them think the Anderson talk is just an Eklund storyline.
      Jul. 3, 2022 at 11:33 p.m.
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      No you didnt
      MTL isnt Buying

      There's no links for NYI trade with MTL that doesnt include Anderson i just went 10 pages deep on Google search on all Articles the last 6 months
      MTL wasnt linked to Bailey last year either we're more then good at his position
      It would be like NYI acquiring another Bottom 6 forward when you have the #1 4th line in the NHL the last 3 years running


      Only conclusion i can come up with is you made it up
      Or someone on here did in a post and you're quoting an Armchair GM not an Actual Factual Source


      "It would be like NYI acquiring another Bottom 6 forward when you have the #1 4th line in the NHL the last 3 years running"

      Or like if the Islanders traded for another 5m middle-six forward when they have Lee, Palmieri, Bailey and Beauvillier? All of whom are better than Anderson.

      My source is as legitimate as the one that started the rumors that the Islanders are interested in Anderson.
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      Billy739
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      Quoting: OldNYIfan
      I just LOVE the way you claim to have the insider knowledge on what Pat Verbeek was presented with and what he responded.


      I dont i listed where i heard it
      I listed the odds

      I didnt just say "well if its me" as if my opinion somehow trumps reality.
      IF Bob Mckenzie among others were right about EDM reaching out to every team last year and being told no
      By Process of Elimination that means the New GM Pat said now

      This is just basic 1+1 =2 stuff you used to get
      But about 16 months ago its like you started watching too much Cheech and Chong as you're all over the place and focused on Opinion over Logic or Fact.

      I miss the guy on this account who valued Logic and Fact over Opinion
       
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