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Cognitive Dissonance

Created by: Blazingbat11
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 4, 2022
Published: Jul. 4, 2022
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Legit curiosity on how NYI and DET fans would react if Anderson and Petry actually get traded to their teams..... You've trained your brains to hate these guys (more then they deserve...), that you would have to deal with them being on your team....

Let's talk about it! What would your reactions be if these trades actually happen?
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      Had another thread where I agreed Petry isn't a good fit for DET, but how would CapFriendly DET fans cope with having someone they've hated on so much on here, somehow gets traded to their team.
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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      Trading for a guy who is less productive than Josh Bailey makes it impossible to root for them lol
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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      Bailey and a 3rd for Anderson 2 million retained is pretty even value imo
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:47 p.m.
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      There has been no legitimate source saying the isles are interested in trading for Anderson, so it’s highly unlikely it actually happens.

      If it did happen, the only way I would be content in the end is if Anderson fails miserably on the isles. I’m talking about a Ryan Orielly “losing love for the game” and requests a trade kind of situation
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:48 p.m.
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      Petry isn't hated he's just not the right fit. The endless Petry trades are hated. We need LD not RD. But if we did get Petry I'd wonder when Hronek is getting traded. Then I'd start wondering what the hell Yzerman is doing. Sounds more like Ken Holland.
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:48 p.m.
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      Apparently the Isles floated 13th overall and Montreal wanted more lol
      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:49 p.m.
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      Quoting: MMXD
      Apparently the Isles floated 13th overall and Montreal wanted more lol


      That is incorrect
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:50 p.m.
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      Quoting: MMXD
      Apparently the Isles floated 13th overall and Montreal wanted more lol


      Yikes. 🤔
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.
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      Don't think either player is HATED just the constant bad trades for them are whats hated
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:55 p.m.
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      I’d be very open to Anderson as an additional move to an actual play driver, like Gaudreau or Debrincat. But I think that means I’m in the minority. Most Isles fans seem to just not want any part of him
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:57 p.m.
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      Bailey for Anderson is close. The extra cap, years and Bailey being the healthier of the two costs Montreal at least Calgary's pick and retention,,,
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:57 p.m.
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      if anderson is the “big move” of this offseason, i’ll be really irritated because he’s just not a gamechanger. giving up high quality assets for a guy they already have better variations of is ridiculous to me. nothing against him as a player but i’d be extremely fed up with the front office
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:58 p.m.
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      Quoting: Db1899
      There has been no legitimate source saying the isles are interested in trading for Anderson, so it’s highly unlikely it actually happens.

      If it did happen, the only way I would be content in the end is if Anderson fails miserably on the isles. I’m talking about a Ryan Orielly “losing love for the game” and requests a trade kind of situation


      I think the "rumors" is more reporters, bloggers, etc. just putting 2 and 2 together with NYI legitimately looking for a winger, and MTLs reports that they are fielding offers on Anderson and their asking price is astronomical for him. So there's no "real" source linking Anderson to NYI, but there's still a legit connection. It's just the price that's making the fan bases explode (with excitement on the Habs side, and dread from NYI side).
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 1:59 p.m.
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      Quoting: Hockeypal
      Bailey and a 3rd for Anderson 2 million retained is pretty even value imo


      I'd think the Islanders get the pick(s). Anderson has a 3 year longer contract and a pretty decent history of missing games.
      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:05 p.m.
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      Quoting: Blazingbat11
      I think the "rumors" is more reporters, bloggers, etc. just putting 2 and 2 together with NYI legitimately looking for a winger, and MTLs reports that they are fielding offers on Anderson and their asking price is astronomical for him. So there's no "real" source linking Anderson to NYI, but there's still a legit connection. It's just the price that's making the fan bases explode (with excitement on the Habs side, and dread from NYI side).


      There has been no legitimate connection between the isles and Habs on an Anderson trade. The winger the isles are looking for is someone who can put up 60-70 pts and play with Barzal. Requirements would be high IQ and being a good passer to play give and go with Barzal. Anderson has low hockey IQ and can’t make a pass to save his life.

      The most legitimate source who’s spoken about Anderson is the fourth period who said the isles are not linked to Anderson.
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:09 p.m.
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      IMO, 35 point Anderson is not worth his 5.5m X 5 contract. So no need is giving up anything of value for him. Only way he gets traded is if Montreal retains or similar "bad" contract(s) are returned to Montreal. If not teams just go to the UFA and sign a similar player for less money and don't give up anything of value.

      Petry may be worth is contract. But teams can again go to the UFA market to snare a RHD or trade for team that wants to get rid of cap (Myers, Burns) which would come cheaply. So Petry's "trade value" is low though he his "playing value" is higher.
      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:15 p.m.
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      Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
      Petry isn't hated he's just not the right fit. The endless Petry trades are hated. We need LD not RD. But if we did get Petry I'd wonder when Hronek is getting traded. Then I'd start wondering what the hell Yzerman is doing. Sounds more like Ken Holland.


      I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Yzerman would like a good, veteran D to pair with Edvinsson, and at the same time not be a believer in Hronek. If you can acquire Petry without giving up any premium assets, perhaps with a bit of salary retained I'm all for it. If he trades Hronek it wouldn't break my heart either (depending on the return), but obviously I'm not a huge Hronek guy...there are plenty of Wings fans here that seem to love the guy who will disagree, and that's fine. It's part of the fun of Cap Friendly.
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:15 p.m.
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      There has been no legitimate connection between the isles and Habs on an Anderson trade. The winger the isles are looking for is someone who can put up 60-70 pts and play with Barzal. Requirements would be high IQ and being a good passer to play give and go with Barzal. Anderson has low hockey IQ and can’t make a pass to save his life.

      The most legitimate source who’s spoken about Anderson is the fourth period who said the isles are not linked to Anderson.


      That's the hate I'm talking about (in bold).....where does that comes from? where is you proof that he's a low IQ player and that he isn't a good passer? seemed to be a great passer with Barzal at the WC (7assists in 8games)
      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:19 p.m.
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      I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Yzerman would like a good, veteran D to pair with Edvinsson, and at the same time not be a believer in Hronek. If you can acquire Petry without giving up any premium assets, perhaps with a bit of salary retained I'm all for it. If he trades Hronek it wouldn't break my heart either (depending on the return), but obviously I'm not a huge Hronek guy...there are plenty of Wings fans here that seem to love the guy who will disagree, and that's fine. It's part of the fun of Cap Friendly.


      I'd sooner sign a UFA D like Ian Cole who plays LD. I'm 50/50 on Hronek. I'm open to trading him. But Stevie isn't giving him away.
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:23 p.m.
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      Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
      I'd sooner sign a UFA D like Ian Cole who plays LD. I'm 50/50 on Hronek. I'm open to trading him. But Stevie isn't giving him away.


      I don't think he should "give" Hronek away either. Hypothetically, if the Wings acquire Petry and Dallas doesn't re-sign Klingberg. Dallas then calls up Stevie and offers a pick swap this year (Wings get #18 and the Stars get #52) and a 2nd in next years draft for Hronek would you take it?
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:26 p.m.
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      Quoting: ISeeBlueHeLooks
      I don't think he should "give" Hronek away either. Hypothetically, if the Wings acquire Petry and Dallas doesn't re-sign Klingberg. Dallas then calls up Stevie and offers a pick swap this year (Wings get #18 and the Stars get #52) and a 2nd in next years draft for Hronek would you take it?


      I'd likely do it. Not many Wings fans would.
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:26 p.m.
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      Quoting: ISeeBlueHeLooks
      I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Yzerman would like a good, veteran D to pair with Edvinsson, and at the same time not be a believer in Hronek. If you can acquire Petry without giving up any premium assets, perhaps with a bit of salary retained I'm all for it. If he trades Hronek it wouldn't break my heart either (depending on the return), but obviously I'm not a huge Hronek guy...there are plenty of Wings fans here that seem to love the guy who will disagree, and that's fine. It's part of the fun of Cap Friendly.


      If Petry were to be traded to Detroit it (more or less) forces a Hronek trade and we'd get a 34 year old expensive player in decline instead of a 24 year old cheaper player still improving. And with Detroit having no RD prospects apart from Tuomisto we could well be in a situation of having to acquire a new top-4 RD in only two years time.

      Petry makes absolutely no sense at all from a team building perspective neither does it fit with any other move Yzerman has done earlier. If Hronek is to be replaced it should be with a better and younger player not a 34 year old declining one on a massive monster of a contract.
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      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:27 p.m.
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      That's the hate I'm talking about (in bold).....where does that comes from? where is you proof that he's a low IQ player and that he isn't a good passer? seemed to be a great passer with Barzal at the WC (7assists in 8games)


      Anderson ranks at the bottom of the league in every passing statistic (from all 3 zones project by Corey snjazer) . If you actually watch Habs , it’s actually very clear from the eye that he can’t create for his teammates or execute simple passes. He has no clue how to use his teammates.

      Anderson has poor vision and anticipatory instincts, he constantly floats out there , I mean even Habs fans know this. He’s constantly criticized on Twitter for making dumb plays and having 0 hockey sense.

      You should go back and re watch those WC. Barzal had a ton of chemistry with CBJ prospect Kent Johnson, but Anderson looked lost most of the time. I know you’re not implying that Anderson can mesh with Barzal….
      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:36 p.m.
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      Quoting: MMXD
      Apparently the Isles floated 13th overall and Montreal wanted more lol


      No credible source said that lol
      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:54 p.m.
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      No credible source said that lol


      What or Who is a credible source?
      Jul. 4, 2022 at 2:58 p.m.
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      Quoting: Db1899
      Anderson ranks at the bottom of the league in every passing statistic (from all 3 zones project by Corey snjazer) . If you actually watch Habs , it’s actually very clear from the eye that he can’t create for his teammates or execute simple passes. He has no clue how to use his teammates.

      Anderson has poor vision and anticipatory instincts, he constantly floats out there , I mean even Habs fans know this. He’s constantly criticized on Twitter for making dumb plays and having 0 hockey sense.

      You should go back and re watch those WC. Barzal had a ton of chemistry with CBJ prospect Kent Johnson, but Anderson looked lost most of the time. I know you’re not implying that Anderson can mesh with Barzal….


      I watch every Habs game. They main issue with Anderson since he arrived in MTL (and every Habs fan will agree with me here) is consistency (either with injuries or with how he plays). When he's off his game, yes, it does look like he's floating around. When he's on his game. Everyone notices him on the ice. He can snipe in the offensive zone and in transition he becomes a beast (forechecking and getting back on D).

      I can assure you Anderson doesn't have poor vision. etc...... I'm not saying it's elite either, granted. but it's also not his style of play. He's a Power Forward, not a playmaker. He uses his size and speed to create space for his teammates. All this non-sense about low IQ seems more rooted in the Power Forward stereotype....

      People criticizing his stats.... last year in his 1st year with the Habs he had 17goals in 52 games (that's on a 27goal pro-rated pace...) last year he had 19goals in 69games (that's still a 22-23goal pro-rated pace)... all while still being, rightfully, labelled as inconsistent.

      He's not perfect, nobody is denying it. and the rumored value Hughes is asking for does seem over the top. but the hate you (and many others) have for him is unjustified.... period.
       
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