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Best Case Scenario Tarasenko Trade

Team: 2022-23 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 6, 2022
Published: Jul. 6, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,500,000
3$3,000,000
2$2,500,000
8$9,500,000
2$1,250,000
2$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$4,500,000
2$1,250,000
Trades
1.
STL
  1. Necas, Martin [RFA Rights]
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
Carolina will include a 2023 2nd round pick if Tarasenko scores 30 goals in 2022-23 or if the Hurricanes reach the Eastern Conference Finals and Tarasenko plays in 50% of playoff games
2.
STL
  1. Sandin, Rasmus [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Sign and trade
TOR
  1. Husso, Ville
Additional Details:
Sign and trade
3.
STL
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew [RFA Rights]
CGY
  1. Neighbours, Jake
  2. Perunovich, Scott
  3. 2022 1st round pick (STL)
4.
STL
    Anaheim willing to take on bad contracts for assets, team doesn't own a 3rd round pick this year.
    ANA
    1. Scandella, Marco
    2. 2022 3rd round pick (STL)
    Additional Details:
    Negotiating rights to Dakota Joshua, who Elliotte Friedman is saying is getting a lot of buzz as a Group 6 UFA
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2022
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    2023
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    2024
    Logo of the STL
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$82,500,000$76,587,500$1,100,000$0$5,912,500
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    $9,500,000$9,500,000
    RW
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $2,800,000$2,800,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $5,800,000$5,800,000
    LW, RW, C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $1,875,000$1,875,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $2,800,000$2,800,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    C, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $2,250,000$2,250,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $750,000$750,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $750,000$750,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $750,000$750,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $950,000$950,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
    $762,500$762,500
    LD
    UFA - 2

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    Jul. 6, 2022 at 1:34 p.m.
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    You think negotiation rights for a UFA equate to getting a top4 dman?
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    Jul. 6, 2022 at 1:37 p.m.
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    RFA rights are significantly more valuable than UFA rights, st louis would have to add heavily for the leafs to even think about it
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    Jul. 6, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.
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    The Canes aren’t trading Necas for what essentially would be a rental
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    Jul. 6, 2022 at 1:44 p.m.
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    Adding to this - Seravalli said the Canes are very unlikely to trade Necas today in the same conversation where he brought up the Canes and VT.

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    The Canes aren’t trading Necas for what essentially would be a rental
    Jul. 6, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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    Idk if the leafs should do that. They could just sign husso for free and free up a roster spot on the right for sandin my trading holl…
    Jul. 6, 2022 at 1:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: TooMalevolent
    You think negotiation rights for a UFA equate to getting a top4 dman?


    If you read the additional notes, it says a sign and trade. Blues only send Husso if they know they can sign Sandin, and even though Toronto probably won't have the money to sign Sandin anyway, they only make the trade if they know Husso will sign with them at the AAV they want.
    Jul. 6, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: forthosewhoarehomesick
    If you read the additional notes, it says a sign and trade. Blues only send Husso if they know they can sign Sandin, and even though Toronto probably won't have the money to sign Sandin anyway, they only make the trade if they know Husso will sign with them at the AAV they want.


    that gets you a 5th, not a good young RFA
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    Jul. 6, 2022 at 2:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: forthosewhoarehomesick
    If you read the additional notes, it says a sign and trade. Blues only send Husso if they know they can sign Sandin, and even though Toronto probably won't have the money to sign Sandin anyway, they only make the trade if they know Husso will sign with them at the AAV they want.


    Let's break this down. Firstly, I did read your notes. It's totally nonsensical. For starters, UFA rights and RFA rights are different. St Louis has zero control or leverage over Husso doing anything. Why would the Leafs not just wait for Husso to be UFA instead of giving up a top4 dman? More interesting from your thinking, why would Husso, who is an UFA, not go to a market where 10 teams will be looking at him (well reported that a ton of teams would be interested)? Does he want to do St Louis a favour and make the team he's going to worse? Can he not wait 1week? This is the reason why sign and trades don't exist in the NHL. Also it's not like anyone is even going to give him 8 year term.

    Your point on Sandin is not true. Despite what has become incredibly over-blown (makes sense- leaf things sell the most), Sandin's issue is not contract-related directly. It's fit. He sees the left-side full and wonders about his place. But the Leafs still like him, he's the GMs 1st pick, and they value him highly. You have Perunovich in a deal for an elite player here. Watch both players and see how close Sandin and Perunovich are.
    Jul. 6, 2022 at 3:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: MaybeorMaybeNot
    Let's break this down. Firstly, I did read your notes. It's totally nonsensical. For starters, UFA rights and RFA rights are different. St Louis has zero control or leverage over Husso doing anything. Why would the Leafs not just wait for Husso to be UFA instead of giving up a top4 dman? More interesting from your thinking, why would Husso, who is an UFA, not go to a market where 10 teams will be looking at him (well reported that a ton of teams would be interested)? Does he want to do St Louis a favour and make the team he's going to worse? Can he not wait 1week? This is the reason why sign and trades don't exist in the NHL. Also it's not like anyone is even going to give him 8 year term.

    Your point on Sandin is not true. Despite what has become incredibly over-blown (makes sense- leaf things sell the most), Sandin's issue is not contract-related directly. It's fit. He sees the left-side full and wonders about his place. But the Leafs still like him, he's the GMs 1st pick, and they value him highly. You have Perunovich in a deal for an elite player here. Watch both players and see how close Sandin and Perunovich are.


    If Husso wants to go to Toronto, it would make sense to get the deal done sooner rather than later. That's not helping out the Blues, that's helping his new team have a better understanding of the cap heading into free agency. Also, I don't think Husso's going to get anything better than a 4x4.5 deal. Too small of a sample size to pay big, and he'll trade dollars for job security.

    Fit and cap hit go hand in hand. You're not going to extend an RFA and give him $3mil+ to play on his off hand, and you're certainly not paying that for a 7th defenseman. It's going to be easier to trade Sandin than Muzzin, and you can get a better goalie than say, Korpisalo, by doing so. Your points about Dubas drafting him and wanting to keep him though are valid. GMs love their guys and don't want the ego hit of moving on from someone they drafted, especially in the first round.
    Jul. 6, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: forthosewhoarehomesick
    If Husso wants to go to Toronto, it would make sense to get the deal done sooner rather than later. That's not helping out the Blues, that's helping his new team have a better understanding of the cap heading into free agency. Also, I don't think Husso's going to get anything better than a 4x4.5 deal. Too small of a sample size to pay big, and he'll trade dollars for job security.

    Fit and cap hit go hand in hand. You're not going to extend an RFA and give him $3mil+ to play on his off hand, and you're certainly not paying that for a 7th defenseman. It's going to be easier to trade Sandin than Muzzin, and you can get a better goalie than say, Korpisalo, by doing so. Your points about Dubas drafting him and wanting to keep him though are valid. GMs love their guys and don't want the ego hit of moving on from someone they drafted, especially in the first round.


    It wouldn't make sense for Husso, I don't understand what you don't get about this. And let's say Leafs somehow got word from his camp that he desperately wanted to sign with them, or any team for argument sake, but only if they traded and signed him right now (instead again, waiting a week), the return for that is still not a top4 dman. Lol that's outrageous. It's maybe at most a 6th pick. You can't even make the argument here that a higher asset is required because they are going full term with the player in order to save against the cap hit. Wild take. Again, you taking a 5th for Perunovich?
     
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