they 100% did not get a better return for hagel. pick 7 is worth more by itself than all the tampa pick.

Could of got the 2nd overall pick

WTF HAWKS

Can you just not be stupid for once? I swear to God. Are we just gonna trade every good, young player for a bad return? I give it 3 years until we trade whoever we select with 7th overall pick. This is Panarin all over again

wow

Holy ****

So stupid. I would have rather kept Debrincat and traded him at the TDL.

The only way it could be even more tragic than missing out on top 3, is if they draft 3-5 bust in the first round next year in what should be a super deep draft.

Chicago must really want Conor Geekie

One aspect Senators fans need to watch for is that this trade was made with the intention of renting Debrincat for 1 or 1.5 seasons. The Senators need to stagger their contracts with all the young big money players both signing extensions and getting contracts that are back loaded. Which means their salary goes up year to year, and the Senators budget gets more constricted.

Dorion will get a 1st/2nd/3rd for Debrincat as a rental in 1.5 seasons if he trades him. So given how weak the top 10 of this draft is viewed, he can recoup a good chunk of the value he gave up.

I am skeptical about the Senators and Debrincat getting a long term deal done. But we'll see. He likely wants something similar to what Fiala got. So if that was a roadblock for the Senators acquiring Fiala, I don't see how they get something done with Debrincat. He can be taken to team elected arbitration next year, which can get his salary as low as 7.65M.

A big part of their summer moves right now is also that Stutzle is up for an extension. Ideally, you want him to be excited about the direction of the team so you can trick him into signing an 8x8 Jack Hughes style contract this summer, and then he is stuck here.

Darren Dreger just got played.

There's nothing else to it.

They got 2 1sts AND 2 NHL players for Hagel. Debrincat who has 2 41 goal seasons in 5 years and I think is like 6th in NHL in last 5 years for total goals scored all he gets is the 7OA plus the two other picks. Not even a prospect. Not even a player. $hit....not even Matt Murray!

Personally, I think whoever the Hawks draft at both 7th and 39th won't end up having the same value as Debrincat would've provided in the coming years.

I think Chicago could've gotten a B-tier prospect out of the trade as well. Great trade for Ottawa, especially considering earlier reports were about them trying to trade that 7th overall to get rid of Matt Murray. Much better use of assets.

You don't get the 7th overall+39th overall+3rd at the deadline.

You also risk that he gets hurt, plays poorly, etc. He just came off a career year. The concept is to sell high. How much better can he get?

Lastly, they shed 9 million dollars in salary and 6.4 million in cap. They could turn around and use that 6.4 million to acquire a bad contract and get further assets, or they can use it to sign a player for "free". There is value there.

The only way this was a bad trade for Chicago is if you are convinced that a long term extension with Debrincat would have been possible. Given they are entering a rebuild, I highly doubt he would want to stay.

Trading 7th overall to get rid of Matt Murray is fake news.

Darren Dreger just got played.

Nothing else to it.

Never said you would get the 7th overall, but if Hagel can get (2) 1sts and (2) prospects...The CAT should have been able to get more. It's a tough market right now I guess, but he didn't have to FORCE a trade which is what he did.

Source? I haven’t seen anything against it being false?

Oh boy, is Kyle Davidson gonna be long for Chicago or what

I thought we fired Bowman.

Trades don't work that way though. That would only make sense if teams had lifetime control over the rights to players. There is no guarantee Debrincat stays in Chicago, and it is very reasonable to assume he is going to leave based on the fact that they are entering a rebuild. They likely had some indication that he might not be interested in playing through a rebuild.

So if that is true, then the question is, does Chicago get a bigger return by waiting and dealing Debrincat at the deadline, or next off season? The answer is almost certainly no. Other than Matt Duchene, who is the exception to the rule, show me players with 2 years of team control (and a high QO to boot) who have returned this much. It's pretty rare. The team selling off a player with limited team control usually gets pennies on the dollar.

fair point... i guess something realistic not #2 overall + 2020 7oa pick + a solid D prospect.

I mean how much more did they think debrincat would get? Its not a bad deal. Ottawa gets better and Chicago ensures they get better odds in the bedard lottery.

A shockingly hideous trade for the Hawks... I LOVE IT.

That is the only thing that makes sense, but situations are also fluid. Ottawa may have thought they were out in Debrincat, or maybe ownership saw the reaction to the Murray scenario and got spooked into spending more to make a splash. Who knows. Melnyk's daughters are basically teenage zoomers. Good chance they glamor searched themselves on Twitter after the Matt Murray trade and had an aneurysm.

We will find it if the original Murray trade was true based on what happens next. If Ottawa attaches someone like Greig or Pinto to Murray, then it was probably true. If Ottawa goes into the season with 80+ million committed to their roster, it was probably BS.

It wouldn't surprise me if we see a three way trade for Murray with a third team getting assets to eat salary and send him to Toronto, and Mrazek either going to Ottawa or the third team. Dorion must have a Murray trade figured out if he pulled the trigger on this. Again, unless something has changed in the last few hours.

Why would Ottawa drop from 7 to 16 AND retain Matt Murray's salary?

It never made any sense.

If you think about it, Dreger was just the mouthpiece for Dorion.



Same scenario when there were rumours that Matthew Tkachuk was offered for Jack Eichel.

Instead, Eichel was traded for Tuch, Krebs and a 1st the next day.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/bruins/nhl-rumors-flames-huge-jack-eichel-trade-offer-includes-matthew-tkachuk

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