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I like the tank, we will suck next year and hopefully a top-3 pick next year is worth the suffering. Should we have gotten more for DeBrincat? Probably. But this move is about the long haul and doing this right. My limited knowledge of the draft picks (at least Korchinski and Nazar) has me excited. Let's see this play out. Tough to see Kirby go, but I'm excited about Nazar. Tough day, but this is what many of us have wanted for a while, a true rebuild. This is what that looks like. More tough days coming soon I'd assume Kane and Toews are gone at somepoint, hopefully soon. Love those two, and sucks we couldn't deliver what they deserved (see: many stanbo bad trades). We'll be good eventually and truly back, not a playoff contender but cup contender (hopefully). 2 years from now I hope we're in a good place with a stacked prospect group. Then sign some players and steadily improve.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:33 a.m.
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    Isles not trading our 2023 1st rounder. Next year's draft is going to be one of the best in a while.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:34 a.m.
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    As someone who is a Sabres fan, I think it’s a good strategy for Chicago. But they need to follow through.

    Kane & Toews gotta go. ‘23 class strong st the top. Hope for a top-3 pick and enough ammo that if you like Bedard you can go get him and make that jump.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:34 a.m.
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    Quoting: Nightowl26
    Isles not trading our 2023 1st rounder. Next year's draft is going to be one of the best in a while.


    Makes sense. Thank you Nightowl26 for your input. Would it help if I made it a top-10 protected 1st? Otherwise I'm sure there are other destinations for Kane.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:35 a.m.
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    Quoting: Dkollidas
    As someone who is a Sabres fan, I think it’s a good strategy for Chicago. But they need to follow through.

    Kane & Toews gotta go. ‘23 class strong st the top. Hope for a top-3 pick and enough ammo that if you like Bedard you can go get him and make that jump.


    What do you think of the Murphy to Buffalo trade?
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:37 a.m.
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    Quoting: blackhawksfan22
    Makes sense. Thank you Nightowl26 for your input. Would it help if I made it a top-10 protected 1st? Otherwise I'm sure there are other destinations for Kane.


    I don't think so, we have traded our 1st rounder the last two years in a row. At some point we have to keep our 1st rounder and draft some young talent. It would be different if we were talking about DeBrincat who is young and we can build around with him and Brazal. But not for a 34 yr old Kane (he turns 34 in Nov) and a UFA at the end of the year. Just doesn't make sense.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:39 a.m.
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    The problem is, full tear downs and tanking more often then not doesn't work. The NHL simply has too much parity, this isn't basketball. Also going to be hard to be the worst team in the league, likely they end up picking in the top 5 next year, which is great, but look at Dach. Look at Strome. It's always a crap shoot and the odds are working against the Hawks.

    They are also way more then 2 years away. Think 5 to 6 years away, if most things go right for them (again, slim chance), they can compete for a cup. Prospects are going to take 4 to 5 seasons post draft to show up big in the NHL, if they do. Korchinski is projected as a 2nd line d man; which we have too many prospects as it is. Literally, you trade a elite 24 year old for a shot (no promise) at a 2nd line d-man. That's just embarrassing.

    It's okay to embrace the suck, but we need someone at the helm that can navigate it very carefully and Davidson just showed with that Cat trade he can't.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:43 a.m.
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    Tbh u are probably one of the few happy hawks fans. Nazar was the best player the hawks took today imo. If I were a hawks fan I would be pissed tho because instead of having coke silinger, Adam boqvist, David jiricek, and Alex debrincat the hawks organization chose to have seth jones at 9.5x8 and a dude named Kevin who was projected late teens early 20s. I also would be pissed that the former 3rd overall pick was flipped for 13 and 66 but that’s me. Nazar could very well be a better guy than dach but he is a 3-4 year project.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:48 a.m.
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    The problem is, full tear downs and tanking more often then not doesn't work. The NHL simply has too much parity, this isn't basketball. Also going to be hard to be the worst team in the league, likely they end up picking in the top 5 next year, which is great, but look at Dach. Look at Strome. It's always a crap shoot and the odds are working against the Hawks.

    They are also way more then 2 years away. Think 5 to 6 years away, if most things go right for them (again, slim chance), they can compete for a cup. Prospects are going to take 4 to 5 seasons post draft to show up big in the NHL, if they do. Korchinski is projected as a 2nd line d man; which we have too many prospects as it is. Literally, you trade a elite 24 year old for a shot (no promise) at a 2nd line d-man. That's just embarrassing.

    It's okay to embrace the suck, but we need someone at the helm that can navigate it very carefully and Davidson just showed with that Cat trade he can't.


    I agree it's longer term, I just meant by the 2 year mark if we have some real nice prospects we don't have to try to be the worst team in the league but one of the worst still with a youth infusion occurring. As for the Davidson take, I agree he should have gotten more for the Cat, but we can't judge these guys until they start playing, what their ceiling is. I'm more optimistic about Nazar personally. Davidson is half a year in, and set the course we need. It is trickier than I stated, but I'm just happy there is a clear plan for once, not adding a third line european and hoping he'll solve our problems and make us maybe contend for the playoffs. If we get a top 3 pick next year or even Bedard, this is all worth it. If not, then it wasn't the smartest idea but there's a plan. Next year's pick will determine my position on all of this.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:53 a.m.
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    Dude. No... we were all ready for a tear down and a tank. Its not about that. Its about the awful return for DeBrincat, practically giving him away, its about the questionable picks, its about giving up on Dach WAY too easy, its about letting TOR bend us over a barrel on Mrazek and then turning around and using their 25th overall pick to select a player that wouldve most likely been available at the end of the 2nd round. Bad choices all around today. Davidson went back on everything he said about "not forcing trades" and "picking the best available players" etc. We dont have to be completely miserable in order to tank next season. The best the draft odds get is around a 25% chance at the #1 overall pick. We don't have to be THIS bad. And we didnt have to take such a bad offer for Cat. There is no reason he couldnt have just waited if there wasnt a good offer at the draft. We essentially got Korchinski + 2nd + 3rd for Cat. That is not a good return no matter what way you look at it.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:53 a.m.
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    Quoting: blackhawksfan22
    I agree it's longer term, I just meant by the 2 year mark if we have some real nice prospects we don't have to try to be the worst team in the league but one of the worst still with a youth infusion occurring. As for the Davidson take, I agree he should have gotten more for the Cat, but we can't judge these guys until they start playing, what their ceiling is. I'm more optimistic about Nazar personally. Davidson is half a year in, and set the course we need. It is trickier than I stated, but I'm just happy there is a clear plan for once, not adding a third line european and hoping he'll solve our problems and make us maybe contend for the playoffs. If we get a top 3 pick next year or even Bedard, this is all worth it. If not, then it wasn't the smartest idea but there's a plan. Next year's pick will determine my position on all of this.


    We always pray the Islanders miss the playoffs and that 1st becomes a lottery pick? Kane should be able to score a 1st as well.

    Now fast forward and lets say a bunch of these prospects works out (unlikely) but let's say 5 or 6. You have 5 or 6 NHL players drafted between 2022 and 2023 and what happens in 3 to 4 years when all of their ELCs expire in a 2 year window....ouch. That is also part of the problem with this strategy. Again, highly highly unlikely you end up with 5 or 6 top liners but if it were to happen, that salary cap is going to be very real again.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:54 a.m.
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    Dude. No... we were all ready for a tear down and a tank. Its not about that. Its about the awful return for DeBrincat, practically giving him away, its about the questionable picks, its about giving up on Dach WAY too easy, its about letting TOR bend us over a barrel on Mrazek and then turning around and using their 25th overall pick to select a player that wouldve most likely been available at the end of the 2nd round. Bad choices all around today. Davidson went back on everything he said about "not forcing trades" and "picking the best available players" etc. We dont have to be completely miserable in order to tank next season. The best the draft odds get is around a 25% chance at the #1 overall pick. We don't have to be THIS bad. And we didnt have to take such a bad offer for Cat. There is no reason he couldnt have just waited if there wasnt a good offer at the draft. We essentially got Korchinski + 2nd + 3rd for Cat. That is not a good return no matter what way you look at it.


    Pretty sure it's 18.6% next year with the new rules. Sorry, don't want to rain on your parade LOL
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:55 a.m.
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    Pretty sure it's 18.6% next year with the new rules. Sorry, don't want to rain on your parade LOL


    Well there you go. Even worse odds.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 12:55 a.m.
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    I'm just curious, from the Hawks fans. Can you tell me why your GM thought the best action was to trade a 24 yr old winger who scores 40 goals a year. I'm not trying to be an a#S but just seriously trying to figure out the direction your front office is going. To me, I'd hold on to him at least another year, but I'm working hard to move Toews and Kane first. Even during a rebuild, you have to have someone (a true star) to build around. I thought that would have been him.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:02 a.m.
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    Quoting: Nightowl26
    Isles not trading our 2023 1st rounder. Next year's draft is going to be one of the best in a while.


    Have you done a lot of research on the draft or just know about Bedard and Mitchkov? That draft could very well end up like 2013 where there is generational talent at the top but a real fall off after the top 10. I wait until at least World Juniors before calling it "one of the best drafts in a while."
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:04 a.m.
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    We always pray the Islanders miss the playoffs and that 1st becomes a lottery pick? Kane should be able to score a 1st as well.

    Now fast forward and lets say a bunch of these prospects works out (unlikely) but let's say 5 or 6. You have 5 or 6 NHL players drafted between 2022 and 2023 and what happens in 3 to 4 years when all of their ELCs expire in a 2 year window....ouch. That is also part of the problem with this strategy. Again, highly highly unlikely you end up with 5 or 6 top liners but if it were to happen, that salary cap is going to be very real again.


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    Dude. No... we were all ready for a tear down and a tank. Its not about that. Its about the awful return for DeBrincat, practically giving him away, its about the questionable picks, its about giving up on Dach WAY too easy, its about letting TOR bend us over a barrel on Mrazek and then turning around and using their 25th overall pick to select a player that wouldve most likely been available at the end of the 2nd round. Bad choices all around today. Davidson went back on everything he said about "not forcing trades" and "picking the best available players" etc. We dont have to be completely miserable in order to tank next season. The best the draft odds get is around a 25% chance at the #1 overall pick. We don't have to be THIS bad. And we didnt have to take such a bad offer for Cat. There is no reason he couldnt have just waited if there wasnt a good offer at the draft. We essentially got Korchinski + 2nd + 3rd for Cat. That is not a good return no matter what way you look at it.


    Look, I'm optimistic, that's my view here. I admitted we could have gotten more for DeBrincat, but I'm more interested in a top 3 pick personally next year, because look at the teams that were successful this year in the playoffs. Avs: Landeskog (2nd overall, 2011), (McKinnon 1st, 2013), Makar (4th 2017); Lightning: Hedman (2nd overall, 2009), Stamkos (1st, 2008) ; Oilers Nuge (1st 2011), Draistl (3rd, 2014) , McDavid (1st, 2015). You need a couple really high picks if you're going to be successful. That's not a debate. Is DeBrincat the number 1 player on a cup team? No. Maybe an elite top line wing to one, sure, but prioritize center and build out. You need an elite center, which trading DeBrincat might help achieve. Again, if Alex Formenton was added to the trade, is that really going to be the final touch to help us win the cup in 7 years? No. This was the right path. As for Mrazek, give me a 1st rounder for a 2nd instead of some late 2nd round pick in 2024 and a C+ level prospect. Was the pick smart? Maybe maybe not. Pronmann expected the guy to go in the first. This is the right path. If you wish we half assed the rebuild then so be it, this is my take.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:04 a.m.
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    Quoting: Nightowl26
    I'm just curious, from the Hawks fans. Can you tell me why your GM thought the best action was to trade a 24 yr old winger who scores 40 goals a year. I'm not trying to be an a#S but just seriously trying to figure out the direction your front office is going. To me, I'd hold on to him at least another year, but I'm working hard to move Toews and Kane first. Even during a rebuild, you have to have someone (a true star) to build around. I thought that would have been him.


    He may say that he would like to have Kane and Toews stick around but i think he is trying to force them to ask for a trade by doing this. There werent even any exciting prospects/young players coming back for them to have incentive to stay and "help with the rebuild". Help with what, theres nothing here?
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:10 a.m.
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    Quoting: blackhawksfan22
    Look, I'm optimistic, that's my view here. I admitted we could have gotten more for DeBrincat, but I'm more interested in a top 3 pick personally next year, because look at the teams that were successful this year in the playoffs. Avs: Landeskog (2nd overall, 2011), (McKinnon 1st, 2013), Makar (4th 2017); Lightning: Hedman (2nd overall, 2009), Stamkos (1st, 2008) ; Oilers Nuge (1st 2011), Draistl (3rd, 2014) , McDavid (1st, 2015). You need a couple really high picks if you're going to be successful. That's not a debate. Is DeBrincat the number 1 player on a cup team? No. Maybe an elite top line wing to one, sure, but prioritize center and build out. You need an elite center, which trading DeBrincat might help achieve. Again, if Alex Formenton was added to the trade, is that really going to be the final touch to help us win the cup in 7 years? No. This was the right path. As for Mrazek, give me a 1st rounder for a 2nd instead of some late 2nd round pick in 2024 and a C+ level prospect. Was the pick smart? Maybe maybe not. Pronmann expected the guy to go in the first. This is the right path. If you wish we half assed the rebuild then so be it, this is my take.


    I understand all of that, but that return for Cat was not just a little light, it was awful. And as someone who has stupidly dedicated way too much time to reading up on and watching tons of these first round prospects, CHI's picks were not very good. Im not even very high on Nazar. Hes fine but there were plenty of better players available.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:12 a.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Have you done a lot of research on the draft or just know about Bedard and Mitchkov? That draft could very well end up like 2013 where there is generational talent at the top but a real fall off after the top 10. I wait until at least World Juniors before calling it "one of the best drafts in a while."


    I have heard these from NHL Reporters and read this in a few places....
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:13 a.m.
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    Quoting: Garak
    I understand all of that, but that return for Cat was not just a little light, it was awful. And as someone who has stupidly dedicated way too much time to reading up on and watching tons of these first round prospects, CHI's picks were not very good. Im not even very high on Nazar. Hes fine but there were plenty of better players available.


    The return was light, maybe awful, but it probably has to do with DeBrincat's future contract decision not being made. If he had said he'd extend in Ottawa (I wouldn't lol) then maybe the hawks would've gained another asset. My point is I'm more interested in the fact this allows us to be worse, allows kane and toews to come forward and want out, which piles more assets that might not have happened. A lot of the assets we will gain started with this decision.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:14 a.m.
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    Quoting: Garak
    I understand all of that, but that return for Cat was not just a little light, it was awful. And as someone who has stupidly dedicated way too much time to reading up on and watching tons of these first round prospects, CHI's picks were not very good. Im not even very high on Nazar. Hes fine but there were plenty of better players available.


    I'm honestly just trying to be optimistic about our new path, maybe I'm blind to some of this because of that.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:15 a.m.
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    Quoting: Nightowl26
    I have heard these from NHL Reporters and read this in a few places....


    Yeah I get that but again I would wait to make that decision.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:16 a.m.
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    We always pray the Islanders miss the playoffs and that 1st becomes a lottery pick? Kane should be able to score a 1st as well.


    What??
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:17 a.m.
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    Quoting: Nightowl26
    What??


    We own the islanders 2023 1st in this scenario
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    We own the islanders 2023 1st


    In this scenario
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 1:19 a.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Yeah I get that but again I would wait to make that decision.


    But I have to have some sort of info about next year's draft when considering making trades that involve picks. So right now the intel says, hold on to pick and again for a 34 year old Kane who's a UFA next year. Definitely not worth it nor the risk. We haven't picked in the 1st round in a few years now. I'm keeping pick unless I'm blown away with a good young star.
     
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