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Team: 2022-23 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 9, 2022
Published: Jul. 9, 2022
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2$1,125,000
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  1. 2023 2nd round pick (EDM)
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I’m going to say he is worth a third right now but Holland has a tendency to overpay for veteran D and McCabe fits the bill.

As a fan of the hawks it’s been a rough week so let me have this.
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  1. Brown, Connor
  2. Zaitsev, Nikita
  3. 2023 1st round pick (OTT)
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I think this checks a lot of boxes for both teams. OTT gets a Veteran RD who can play shutdown defense, serve as a Leader to an upcoming sens team, and move Zaitsev while saving 100k in cap.

Hawks move out a Vet who doesn’t fit the 5 year rebuild timeline, take on salary to make the return better, and add a future draft pick.


Conditions on the trade: 1st round pick is conditional to convey to Chicago in either 2023, 2024, or 2025 based on its position in the draft order. It is top 16 protected in 2023, Top 10 protected in 2024, and unprotected in 2025.
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  1. Lucic, Milan
  2. Monahan, Sean
  3. 2023 1st round pick (CGY)
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Top 16 protected.
CGY
  1. Toews, Jonathan ($5,250,000 retained)
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  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
  2. Lundkvist, Nils
  3. Nemeth, Patrik
  4. 2023 1st round pick (NYR)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Beaudin, Nicolas
  2. Kane, Patrick ($5,250,000 retained)
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:27 a.m.
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Very easy PASS from the Rangers.
Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:28 a.m.
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Need to get rid of Jones and his insane contract while you’re at it
Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:28 a.m.
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Retain half on McCabe and then maybe we'll "let you have this" smirk
Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:29 a.m.
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Quoting: SupremeBone
Retain half on McCabe and then maybe we'll "let you have this" smirk


No.
Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:29 a.m.
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Need to get rid of Jones and his insane contract while you’re at it


I would but it’s literally impossible
Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:30 a.m.
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I would but it’s literally impossible


I feel like there could possibly be a team out there that would take it though

Vancouver took OEL and that huge contract
Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:31 a.m.
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:35 a.m.
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No.

Then we shan't "let you have this"
Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:36 a.m.
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LOL $18.3M in dead cap and still $9M below the ceiling. That's how you tank!
Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:44 a.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
Need to get rid of Jones and his insane contract while you’re at it


Jones retained for Trouba would probably accomplish the goal of making things worse.
Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:45 a.m.
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OTT declines.

Nowhere near worth considering.
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:48 a.m.
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OTT accepts.

It’s a great value and will help our franchise take the next step forward.


Glad you see it my way.
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 11:52 a.m.
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Quoting: Kyle_Davidson
Glad you see it my way.


Almost more than what we just gave for Cat, Murphy's nowhere near that level
Jul. 9, 2022 at 12:08 p.m.
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Almost more than what we just gave for Cat, Murphy's nowhere near that level


OTT pick won’t be high when the pick is conveyed to Chicago and you fill multiple needs with the trade. Your comment is an oversimplification.
Jul. 9, 2022 at 12:25 p.m.
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Very easy PASS from the Rangers.


I don't think it' the worst deal for the Rangers. Lundkvist is 4th on their RD depth chart so at best he's your 7th D until Trouba's NMC runs out - 2 summers from now. I think if you're looking to make any upgrades to your top 6, he's the first guy out the door. I feel like getting value back for Kravstov is a win at this point, too - he put up middling numbers in the KHL this year and as a 23-year-old who's bounced between the NHL-AHL-KHL the last three years, the shine's starting to come off. Turning Nemeth's $2.5M into Beaudin is a win, and I think the 2023 1st is going to be a later pick. Adding Kane at $5.25M is a huge upgrade to the top 6.

If you want to parcel it out, I see it this way:

Nemeth + 2024 2nd for Beaudin is the cap dump part of the trade
Lundkvist + 2023 1st = price for Kane
Kravstov = price of $5.25M retention

I don't think it's an *outrageous* price to pay - you're cashing in Lundkvist and Kravstov and turning them into a 90 point winger. Not the worst deal in the world, but I can understand if there's other targets available that you'd rather use them on.
Jul. 9, 2022 at 3:24 p.m.
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I don't think it' the worst deal for the Rangers. Lundkvist is 4th on their RD depth chart so at best he's your 7th D until Trouba's NMC runs out - 2 summers from now. I think if you're looking to make any upgrades to your top 6, he's the first guy out the door. I feel like getting value back for Kravstov is a win at this point, too - he put up middling numbers in the KHL this year and as a 23-year-old who's bounced between the NHL-AHL-KHL the last three years, the shine's starting to come off. Turning Nemeth's $2.5M into Beaudin is a win, and I think the 2023 1st is going to be a later pick. Adding Kane at $5.25M is a huge upgrade to the top 6.

If you want to parcel it out, I see it this way:

Nemeth + 2024 2nd for Beaudin is the cap dump part of the trade
Lundkvist + 2023 1st = price for Kane
Kravstov = price of $5.25M retention

I don't think it's an *outrageous* price to pay - you're cashing in Lundkvist and Kravstov and turning them into a 90 point winger. Not the worst deal in the world, but I can understand if there's other targets available that you'd rather use them on.


1st off, it's Kane for ONE YEAR, and that alone is enough to say no thanks. 2nd, why is Lundqvist the 7th D? Nemeth is gone soon and his spot is there for the taking for Jones or Nils if he can slide over to LD OR is Schnider can slide over to LD. He is only 20 and has a very high ceiling, so ZERO reason to trade him for any RENTAL. As to Nemeth, he can be traded or bought out without too much pain, so there is no reason to lose assets over his contract. Bottom line IMO is the Rangers don't need to pay for RENTALS like Kane and Miller. They can find better trades that benefit them for the long haul, not just 1 season.
Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:01 p.m.
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1st off, it's Kane for ONE YEAR, and that alone is enough to say no thanks. 2nd, why is Lundqvist the 7th D? Nemeth is gone soon and his spot is there for the taking for Jones or Nils if he can slide over to LD OR is Schnider can slide over to LD. He is only 20 and has a very high ceiling, so ZERO reason to trade him for any RENTAL. As to Nemeth, he can be traded or bought out without too much pain, so there is no reason to lose assets over his contract. Bottom line IMO is the Rangers don't need to pay for RENTALS like Kane and Miller. They can find better trades that benefit them for the long haul, not just 1 season.


I mean, who are you playing Lundkvist over? Your top 4 is set (Lindgren-Fox/Miller-Trouba) and Braden Schneider looks locked in as RD3. I get what you're saying about sliding him over to LD3 if you want but I'd think it makes more sense to stick with Zac Jones on his strong hand than flip a guy over to his off-hand - but even then you're talking about your 6th D instead of your 7th D, so I feel like that's splitting hairs.

Nemeth can be bought out, true, but he'll have a $1M penalty this season if you do that. Not the worst thing to work around but the Rangers are tight as hell against the cap this year and every dollar can be important - if you can get him off the roster in a trade I think it's a better move than buying him out (he says, as if he's imparting some arcane knowledge no one has ever thought of before.)

I get preferring to trade for a player with term over a rental, but name me one guy you can trade for that has term and fits the following criteria:
-$5.25M cap hit
-scored more than 75 points last season

I'll save you the searching because it's a really short list: Elias Lindholm, Robert Thomas, Jordan Kyrou. And Calgary & St. Louis are laughing you off the phone if you offer them Lundkvist/Kravstov/Nemeth/1st/2nd for those guys. And we don't need to discuss UFA guys because the only guys that came close to or exceed Kane's scoring were Nazem Kadri and Johnny Gaudreau, neither of whom is signing for around $5.25M. You're probably getting a guy like Vincent Trocheck or Rickard Rakell or mayyyyybe getting Andrew Copp to stick around at that price point - all fine players, but none of them have every shown the ability to be 90 point guys.

Again, I totally get not wanting to pay a major price for a rental, but this is moving a couple guys that aren't vital to your 2022-23 roster and bringing in an impact player on a discount for the full season. I wouldn't be surprised if Copp, Strome, and Vatrano all walked this summer and this is an interesting way to try and replace them.
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:18 p.m.
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I mean, who are you playing Lundkvist over? Your top 4 is set (Lindgren-Fox/Miller-Trouba) and Braden Schneider looks locked in as RD3. I get what you're saying about sliding him over to LD3 if you want but I'd think it makes more sense to stick with Zac Jones on his strong hand than flip a guy over to his off-hand - but even then you're talking about your 6th D instead of your 7th D, so I feel like that's splitting hairs.

Nemeth can be bought out, true, but he'll have a $1M penalty this season if you do that. Not the worst thing to work around but the Rangers are tight as hell against the cap this year and every dollar can be important - if you can get him off the roster in a trade I think it's a better move than buying him out (he says, as if he's imparting some arcane knowledge no one has ever thought of before.)

I get preferring to trade for a player with term over a rental, but name me one guy you can trade for that has term and fits the following criteria:
-$5.25M cap hit
-scored more than 75 points last season

I'll save you the searching because it's a really short list: Elias Lindholm, Robert Thomas, Jordan Kyrou. And Calgary & St. Louis are laughing you off the phone if you offer them Lundkvist/Kravstov/Nemeth/1st/2nd for those guys. And we don't need to discuss UFA guys because the only guys that came close to or exceed Kane's scoring were Nazem Kadri and Johnny Gaudreau, neither of whom is signing for around $5.25M. You're probably getting a guy like Vincent Trocheck or Rickard Rakell or mayyyyybe getting Andrew Copp to stick around at that price point - all fine players, but none of them have every shown the ability to be 90 point guys.

Again, I totally get not wanting to pay a major price for a rental, but this is moving a couple guys that aren't vital to your 2022-23 roster and bringing in an impact player on a discount for the full season. I wouldn't be surprised if Copp, Strome, and Vatrano all walked this summer and this is an interesting way to try and replace them.


We disagree. To me this is giving up good young assets for a 1 year RENTAL, which is a terrible idea. Glen Sather would do that, and he won zero cups doing it in NY. The Rangers don't need a rental, period. There is no reason Nils or Schneider can't move to the left side, they are both only 20. Nils has a huge upside, more so than Jones. Drury just needs to do what he has been doing and lets the kids play and develop.
Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:45 p.m.
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We disagree. To me this is giving up good young assets for a 1 year RENTAL, which is a terrible idea. Glen Sather would do that, and he won zero cups doing it in NY. The Rangers don't need a rental, period. There is no reason Nils or Schneider can't move to the left side, they are both only 20. Nils has a huge upside, more so than Jones. Drury just needs to do what he has been doing and lets the kids play and develop.


I don't disagree on that - there's a ton of young D in the Rangers system that can turn into something special. I think the other option is finding a team with young forward depth that needs to add some D and try and make a move there. Anaheim, Columbus, and PIttsburgh both have limited D depth but have forwards coming out their ears - I could see flipping out one of those guys for a player like Isac Lundestrom or Alex Texier and using the surplus to fix a hole in the lineup. I'm very interested in seeing how Drury navigates that cap crunch this summer, the Rangers are in a weird spot where they sort of overachieved this year but have to revamp more of the lineup than you'd normally expect a 110-point team to do.
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:51 p.m.
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I don't disagree on that - there's a ton of young D in the Rangers system that can turn into something special. I think the other option is finding a team with young forward depth that needs to add some D and try and make a move there. Anaheim, Columbus, and PIttsburgh both have limited D depth but have forwards coming out their ears - I could see flipping out one of those guys for a player like Isac Lundestrom or Alex Texier and using the surplus to fix a hole in the lineup. I'm very interested in seeing how Drury navigates that cap crunch this summer, the Rangers are in a weird spot where they sort of overachieved this year but have to revamp more of the lineup than you'd normally expect a 110-point team to do.


And I have no problem trading Lundqvist or Jones or Robertson or Skinner for a young forward that is on their same skill level and is cost controlled. My only objection to Kane and Miller trades are that they are rentals but the Canucks and Hawks want max value for them, which they should, but they can't expect that price from a team that can't sign them to new deals. Fiala was traded but then signed a new long term deal, and that's the kind of trading partner Chicago and Vancouver should be looking for.
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