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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #6 - Alex DeBrincat is an Ottawa Senator

Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:04 p.m.
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Why tf would the sharks buyout balcers, he’s better than Kunin
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:04 p.m.
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Man if you want some cheap good bottom 6 wings who with the right guy can fill in your top 6 this is the year
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:05 p.m.
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Kuokkanen and Balcers getting bought out makes zero sense to me.

You'd think you'd get something for those assets, even if it's low picks.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.
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I bet it’s going to be gardiner , prospect + a pick for Burns (2-2.5 mill retained)


Is Gardiner still LTIR, SJ wouldn’t want to take active cap hit money back unless they’re flipping it.
Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.
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the NHLs best Dj is set to hit the market
Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:08 p.m.
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Kuokkanen and Balcers getting bought out makes zero sense to me.

You'd think you'd get something for those assets, even if it's low picks.


With guys like Strome, Kubalik, etc getting non-QO rather than getting traded, there might not be a strong trade market for depth players
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:09 p.m.
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Why tf would the sharks buyout balcers, he’s better than Kunin

They’re changing their entire make up. Balcers is a decent bottom 6 option but isn’t really special. He’s just okay at wherever you place him.

Grier keeps harping it - he had nothing against Dahlen but he wants to surround the Sharks stars with competitive and tenacious high tempo forwards.

So Kunin they’re betting on him shooting for 20g entering his prime with more consistent production and cleaning up flaws - adding work ethic and hits. And continuing that trend with moving Balcers.

I’m actually fine with moving on from Balcers. He played well but he ONLY had a role open for him on the 4th line. Balcers will get a job else where I’m with @justaboss that atleast I hope they tried to trade him and nothing came up.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:09 p.m.
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With guys like Strome, Kubalik, etc getting non-QO rather than getting traded, there might not be a strong trade market for depth players


Good bargain bin hunting these days am I right wink
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:09 p.m.
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Man I was jokingly saying this non qualified/buyout market would be crazier than last year

I didnt expect it to actually happen lul
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:11 p.m.
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They’re changing their entire make up. Balcers is a decent bottom 6 option but isn’t really special. He’s just okay at wherever you place him.

Grier keeps harping it - he had nothing against Dahlen but he wants to surround the Sharks stars with competitive and tenacious high tempo forwards.

So Kunin they’re betting on him shooting for 20g entering his prime with more consistent production and cleaning up flaws - adding work ethic and hits. And continuing that trend with moving Balcers.

I’m actually fine with moving on from Balcers. He played well but he ONLY had a role open for him on the 4th line. Balcers will get a job else where I’m with justaboss that atleast I hope they tried to trade him and nothing came up.


Balcers can drive play at both ends of the ice and hes worth his contract, just not someone the sharks should let go IMO
Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:12 p.m.
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Question for Everyone

This has got to be one of the most fluid RFA/ in qualified RFA markets in a long while no? Adding in some of the young buyouts - this is an incredibly deep talent pool for potential steals. A lot of these RFAs won’t surmount to much more then they already are; but a handful will be “how could they let this guy go” situations.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:13 p.m.
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Balcers can drive play at both ends of the ice and hes worth his contract, just not someone the sharks should let go IMO


Oh I agree he’s worth his contract - I have to assume they tried trading him. He’s well worth nearly 2m.

I’d expect him to be claimed tbh.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:15 p.m.
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Question for Everyone

This has got to be one of the most fluid RFA/ in qualified RFA markets in a long while no? Adding in some of the young buyouts - this is an incredibly deep talent pool for potential steals. A lot of these RFAs won’t surmount to much more then they already are; but a handful will be “how could they let this guy go” situations.


Pretty much.

Sounds like so many teams are afraid of the arbitrating process as it could lead players to get overpaid, hence teams just decided to left go some good assets.

If your team had depth problems, this is one of the greatest summer for fixing those.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:15 p.m.
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Is Gardiner still LTIR, SJ wouldn’t want to take active cap hit money back unless they’re flipping it.


Um according to Canes GM hes ready to play next year. So I feel he either plays or gets dumped
Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:16 p.m.
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At least Balcers' buyout was cheap.

He costs 8k this year and 300k the next year lol
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:16 p.m.
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Pretty much.

Sounds like so many teams are afraid of the arbitrating process as it could lead players to get overpaid, hence teams just decided to left go some good assets.

If your team had depth problems, this is one of the greatest summer for fixing those.


Well considering Kase could have made 3mill via Arb I dont blame some of them. But for these young teams with cap it makes no sense
Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:17 p.m.
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I would not mind signing Del zotto to a league minimum contract. He's still a pretty good 3rd pair D.
Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:17 p.m.
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Question for Everyone

This has got to be one of the most fluid RFA/ in qualified RFA markets in a long while no? Adding in some of the young buyouts - this is an incredibly deep talent pool for potential steals. A lot of these RFAs won’t surmount to much more then they already are; but a handful will be “how could they let this guy go” situations.


i think its a combination of bad teams wanting to be bad for the upcoming draft and not wanting to commit $ to guys who may not fit teams' timelines
Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:20 p.m.
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I would not mind signing Del zotto to a league minimum contract. He's still a pretty good 3rd pair D.


Agreed

I could see a 2 year 762500 deal happen
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:28 p.m.
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Teams are realizing you don’t pay expensive money for 3rd liners. Finally .
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:32 p.m.
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Teams are realizing you don’t pay expensive money for 3rd liners. Finally .


Actually I think this might lead to more 3rd liners being that expensive, with the likes of Mikheyev asking for close to $5M.

Now there's guys that were earning under $2M that have grounds to ask for $3M plus.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.
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Actually I think this might lead to more 3rd liners being that expensive, with the likes of Mikheyev asking for close to $5M.

Now there's guys that were earning under $2M that have grounds to ask for $3M plus.


I doubt anyone gives Mik more than 5x1; I’d hesitate 3.5 x 5y but if he’d take I’d consider
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.
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Teams are realizing you don’t pay expensive money for 3rd liners. Finally .


Also with no cap movement last year, only 1 mil this year, and minimal changes till 2025. Hard choices need to be made
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.
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Teams are realizing you don’t pay expensive money for 3rd liners. Finally .


In some cases potential 2nd liners

People forget Heienen was playing with Malkin in Pittsburgh

I keep having to update the shopping list lul
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 12:44 p.m.
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Lindblom buyout is really scummy
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