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This is a message to all delusional Ducks fan

Created by: Rodzikhockey93
Team: 2016-17 Anaheim Ducks
Initial Creation Date: May 12, 2017
Published: May 12, 2017
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Please stop over valuing your D. Lindholm is the only elite one. Vatenen is worth a 1st round pick ( same value as Maata). Fowler is worth a package deal of a top 6 forward and B level prospect. Manson is worth a top 6 forward and draft picks and prospect. (B-C) Level.... NOT NYLANDER. Nylander is a 60 point rookie with potential to play center. He is a future great player and playing with Matthews has potential to be elite. Manson at best will be a #3 great and a decent#2. Theodore is probably the one D I highly rate on the ducks that I can see bringing in a pretty good package. But please stop over valueing the Defense.
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
27$73,000,000$72,415,762$0$905,000$584,238
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW
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$8,250,000$8,250,000
C
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UFA - 5
$8,625,000$8,625,000
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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$6,875,000$6,875,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 6
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
$2,504,887$2,504,887
RW, LW
UFA - 6
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$1,750,000$1,750,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
$900,000$900,000
RW
UFA - 2
$1,600,000$1,600,000
C
UFA - 1
$670,000$670,000 (Performance Bonus$55,000$55K)
RW
UFA - 2
$637,500$637,500
RW, C
UFA - 2
$660,000$660,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$575,000$575,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$2,856,708$2,856,708
LD
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$2,437,500$2,437,500
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
G
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
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UFA - 2
$2,300,000$2,300,000
G
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD
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$3,700,000$3,700,000
RD
UFA - 5
$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000
RD
UFA - 2
$825,000$825,000
RD
UFA - 2
$700,000$700,000
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UFA - 1

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May 12, 2017 at 4:12 p.m.
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supply and demand my friend! There are lot of team that would be willing to pay big price for Drucks D... the question in which team will sweeten the pot for Ducks.
May 12, 2017 at 4:17 p.m.
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Quoting: henryp
supply and demand my friend! There are lot of team that would be willing to pay big price for Drucks D... the question in which team will sweeten the pot for Ducks.


of course that is taken into consideration. its annoying seeing what people think some of these values are.
May 12, 2017 at 4:45 p.m.
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at this point in time anyone could be right... its a waiting game to see if Ducks get a big return for them or not. Who knows maybe they will work out a deal with Vegas to give them something and they dont trade any of the D. lets see.
May 12, 2017 at 5:06 p.m.
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IMO it'll be Vatanen that goes.. and yep, there's people on here that have been really overvaluing him. It's no secret the ducks need to trade a defense, and if you look at the numbers (basic or analytics) Vatanen isn't even as good as Zaitsev, yet he gets paid more and plays second pairing minutes.
May 12, 2017 at 5:12 p.m.
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Coming from a Toronto Fan... The reason Vat plays second pairing minutes is because of the talent we have on D.
May 12, 2017 at 5:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Kiekenapp
Coming from a Toronto Fan... The reason Vat plays second pairing minutes is because of the talent we have on D.


That doesn't change his performance? He's obviously not bad, but nothing to suggest that he's a top pairing guy worth the value that some are suggesting.. I think that's what this guys post was about.
May 12, 2017 at 5:21 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyNM1510
Ok I'm going to break this down for leafs fans since they don't understand the value of Ducks Defenseman:


Lindholm: Marner
Fowler: Kapanen/Brown ++
Vatanen: Kapanen/Brown +
Montour: Nylander
Theodore: Kapanen/ Brown
Manson: Nylander


lindholm: Wrong
Fowler: Major Wrong
Vatenen: Wrong
Montour: Probably the worse one
Theodore: Probably the closes value
Manson: I lied This is the worse valued


I actually agree with you on this. Even though you think the D are valued low for the ducks. I'll try this for you.
These are hockey trades. No bullshit draft picks or "prospects" there is a reason they are "prospects" they aren't NHL ready and possibly never be NHL ready. I'm also going to post this on your Ducks Thread too.
Lindholm - Nylander
Fowler 1 Yr Left on Contract/Sign and Trade - Marner + Bozak
Vatanen - Kadri
Montour - Brown
Theodore - Nylander
Manson - JVR Sign and Trade
May 12, 2017 at 5:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Kiekenapp
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Quoting: HockeyNM1510
Ok I'm going to break this down for leafs fans since they don't understand the value of Ducks Defenseman:


Lindholm: Marner
Fowler: Kapanen/Brown ++
Vatanen: Kapanen/Brown +
Montour: Nylander
Theodore: Kapanen/ Brown
Manson: Nylander


lindholm: Wrong
Fowler: Major Wrong
Vatenen: Wrong
Montour: Probably the worse one
Theodore: Probably the closes value
Manson: I lied This is the worse valued


I actually agree with you on this. Even though you think the D are valued low for the ducks. I'll try this for you.
These are hockey trades. No bullshit draft picks or "prospects" there is a reason they are "prospects" they aren't NHL ready and possibly never be NHL ready. I'm also going to post this on your Ducks Thread too.
Lindholm - Nylander
Fowler 1 Yr Left on Contract/Sign and Trade - Marner + Bozak
Vatanen - Kadri
Montour - Brown
Theodore - Nylander
Manson - JVR Sign and Trade


I agree with some of the values, reality is though none will happen because Leafs won't want to deal young players but the Ducks won't want any of the short term vets that they'd have to protect.
May 12, 2017 at 5:53 p.m.
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See the thing is the Ducks don't have to trade with the leafs, there are 29 other teams, not just the leafs. The Ducks may want Nylander and if the Leafs don't want to give him up for whomever, the Ducks can trade with another team, simple.
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May 12, 2017 at 11:24 p.m.
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Agreed
 
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