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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #8 - Gone Fishing

Jul. 16 at 5:01 p.m.
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If we trade Brannstrom+Zaitsev for Chychrun or Weegar (obv Zaitsev not to Florida) I wouldn’t hate if the Sens offer sheeted Sandin for 1x4.2 lol, might as well give the Leafs some headaches and while we’d probably have him on the 3rd pair, he’d be fighting with Sanderson for top 4 time and could realistically win that battle, at least next year.


Ottawa needs a 2 year Dman like Tanev or Martinez . If you acquire another core defender, then one of those 3 things has to happen:

1) No Cat
2) Stutzle bridge
3) Zub walks
Jul. 16 at 5:06 p.m.
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Ottawa needs a 2 year Dman like Tanev or Martinez . If you acquire another core defender, then one of those 3 things has to happen:

1) No Cat
2) Stutzle bridge
3) Zub walks

I think a Stutzle bridge is likely at this point, and I don’t hate it. The cap is gonna jump like 10mil prior by 2025, so we’ll basically have all that extra room to sign him and Sanderson long term at that point. Everyone else is locked up for decent term (Tkachuk, Norris, Batherson, Chabot).
Jul. 16 at 5:27 p.m.
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He has 1 year left, the Drouin experiment has not worked at all, he’s gone either by trade or FA


**** off. Since the habs aren’t enjoyable to watch or cheer for amymore, I’m fine with it if Jo wants to go elsewhere, but I doubt that’s be the case since he’s from Québec. So keep him in Montréal for the rest of his career.
Jul. 16 at 5:28 p.m.
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Ottawa needs a 2 year Dman like Tanev or Martinez . If you acquire another core defender, then one of those 3 things has to happen:

1) No Cat
2) Stutzle bridge
3) Zub walks


Muzzin has two years 🙏
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Jul. 16 at 5:29 p.m.
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Shows more about Bergy and the guy before him’s drafting record than anything else lol
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Jul. 16 at 5:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
**** off. Since the habs aren’t enjoyable to watch or cheer for amymore, I’m fine with it if Jo wants to go elsewhere, but I doubt that’s be the case since he’s from Québec. So keep him in Montréal for the rest of his career.


There’s no space for him to stay in MTL for the rest of his career, habs have way too many wingers coming up
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Jul. 16 at 5:33 p.m.
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There's a slight irony, I think I had a discussion in these forums with someone (I actually think it was BeterChiarelli ) like couple of months ago that Matheson for Petry trade makes a great deal of sense.


It was. Didn't think they'd pull the trigger with Letang but being right a mile out is still a pretty wizard feeling.
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Jul. 16 at 5:36 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
It was. Didn't think they'd pull the trigger with Letang but being right a mile out is still a pretty wizard feeling.


W for us then
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Jul. 16 at 5:36 p.m.
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Shows more about Bergy and the guy before him’s drafting record than anything else lol


That’s pretty nuts
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Jul. 16 at 5:41 p.m.
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That’s pretty nuts


Gzuz christ Bergevin's drafting and/or youth development has been absolutely terrible
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Jul. 16 at 5:42 p.m.
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There’s no space for him to stay in MTL for the rest of his career, habs have way too many wingers coming up


I'm a massive Drouin to Arizona advocate.

He has great skillset but he's no good at dealing with immense pressure, so he doesn't fit to play in a hockey environment like Montreal.
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Jul. 16 at 5:44 p.m.
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Shows more about Bergy and the guy before him’s drafting record than anything else lol


Had to check the Leafs:

2020 Amirov
2018 Sandin
2017 Liljegren
2016 Matthews
2015 Marner
2014 Nylander
2013 Gauthier (left FA)
2012 Rielly
2011 Biggs + Percy
2009 Kadri (traded)
2008 Schenn (traded)
2006 Tlusty (traded)
2005 Rask (traded)
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Jul. 16 at 5:48 p.m.
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Had to check the Leafs:

2020 Amirov
2018 Sandin
2017 Liljegren
2016 Matthews
2015 Marner
2014 Nylander
2013 Gauthier (left FA)
2012 Rielly
2011 Biggs + Percy
2009 Kadri (traded)
2008 Schenn (traded)
2006 Tlusty (traded)
2005 Rask (traded)


Dallas

2022 Bichsel
2021 Johnston
2020 Bourque
2019 Harley
2018 Dellandrea
2017 Heiskanen, Oettinger
2016 Tufte (failure most likely)
2015 Gurianov
2014 Honka (failure)
2013 Nichushkin (bought out)
2012 Faksa
2011 Oleksiak (traded, traded back and then lost in ExD)
2010 Campbell (failure)
2009 Glennie tears of joy
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Jul. 16 at 5:53 p.m.
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Dallas

2022 Bichsel
2021 Johnston
2020 Bourque
2019 Harley
2018 Dellandrea
2017 Heiskanen, Oettinger
2016 Tufte (failure most likely)
2015 Gurianov
2014 Honka (failure)
2013 Nichushkin (bought out)
2012 Faksa
2011 Oleksiak (traded, traded back and then lost in ExD)
2010 Campbell (failure)
2009 Glennie tears of joy



Vancouver
2022 Lekkerimaki
2019 Podkolzin
2018 Hughes
2017 Pettersson
2016 Juolevi (yikes)
2015 Boeser
2014 McCann (traded for Gudbranson lmao) - Virtanen (oof) rough year outside of Demko second round
2013 Horvat
2012 Gaunce (forgot about him)
2011 Jensen (for about him as well)
2009 Schroeder (who?)
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Jul. 16 at 6:03 p.m.
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I remember earlier today when I proposed a Habs trade for Matheson and got barked at saying “Habs don’t need LD!”

Good times
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Jul. 16 at 6:06 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Had to check the Leafs:

2020 Amirov
2018 Sandin
2017 Liljegren
2016 Matthews
2015 Marner
2014 Nylander
2013 Gauthier (left FA)
2012 Rielly
2011 Biggs + Percy
2009 Kadri (traded)
2008 Schenn (traded)
2006 Tlusty (traded)
2005 Rask (traded)


Doesn't look good up until recently for the Canes.

2020 - Seth Jarvis
2019 - Ryan Suzuki
2018 - Andrei Svechnikov
2017 - Martin Necas (?????)
2016 - Jake Bean (Traded CBJ)
2016 - Julien Gauthier (Traded NYR)
2015 - Noah Hanifin (Traded CGY)
2014 - Haydn Fleury (Traded ANA)
2013 - Elias Lindholm (Traded CGY)
2011 - Ryan Murphy (Traded CGY and off to Russia)
2010 - Jeff Skinner (Traded BUF)
2009 - Philippe Paradis (Traded TOR, gone off the face of the Earth)
2008 - Zach Boychuk (Waivers PIT)
2007 - Brandon Sutter (Traded PIT)
2005 - Jack Johnson (Traded LAK, and Stanley Cup Champ)
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Jul. 16 at 6:08 p.m.
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You know what I respect the Pittsburgh Penguins game plan.

The quoted comment I like is “so what we’re old” type mentality.

They’re going for it and you honestly can’t say they’re a bad team at their peak play.
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Jul. 16 at 6:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Zinger
Doesn't look good up until recently for the Canes.

2020 - Seth Jarvis
2019 - Ryan Suzuki
2018 - Andrei Svechnikov
2017 - Martin Necas (?????)
2016 - Jake Bean (Traded CBJ)
2016 - Julien Gauthier (Traded NYR)
2015 - Noah Hanifin (Traded CGY)
2014 - Haydn Fleury (Traded ANA)
2013 - Elias Lindholm (Traded CGY)
2011 - Ryan Murphy (Traded CGY)
2010 - Jeff Skinner (Traded BUF)
2009 - Philippe Paradis (Traded TOR)
2008 - Zach Boychuk (Waivers PIT)
2007 - Brandon Sutter (Traded PIT)
2005 - Jack Johnson (Traded LAK)


CAR and MIN are the gold standard for drafting right now
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Jul. 16 at 6:10 p.m.
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CAR and MIN are the gold standard for drafting right now


Colorado hasn't done horribly
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Jul. 16 at 6:10 p.m.
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You know what I respect the Pittsburgh Penguins game plan.

The quoted comment I like is “so what we’re old” type mentality.

They’re going for it and you honestly can’t say they’re a bad team at their peak play.


even given petrys age and contract that deal is a no brainer.
Jul. 16 at 6:11 p.m.
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CAR and MIN are the gold standard for drafting right now


Yeah, two top tier prospect pools for contending teams with elite scouting systems.
Jul. 16 at 6:11 p.m.
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CAR and MIN are the gold standard for drafting right now


Not great in the first round but definitely the best team and drafting late round gems
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Jul. 16 at 6:13 p.m.
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Dallas

2022 Bichsel
2021 Johnston
2020 Bourque
2019 Harley
2018 Dellandrea
2017 Heiskanen, Oettinger
2016 Tufte (failure most likely)
2015 Gurianov
2014 Honka (failure)
2013 Nichushkin (bought out)
2012 Faksa
2011 Oleksiak (traded, traded back and then lost in ExD)
2010 Campbell (failure)
2009 Glennie tears of joy


Hurricanes:
2005: Jack Johnson (yes, that Jack Johnson). Never played a game for Carolina before being part of the Tim Gleason trade
2007: Brandon Sutter. Played several years with the Canes before being part of the Jordan Staal trade in 2012
2008: Zack Boychuk. Waiver fodder in just a few years
2009: Phillipe Paradis. Never played a game in the NHL
2010: Jeff Skinner. Played great in Carolina before being traded to Buffalo for the pick that became Pyotr Kochetkov
2011: Ryan Murphy. Carolina simply could not develop this guy and he was traded for almost nothing in 2017
2013: Elias Lindholm. Decent, then involved in the Dougie Hamilton trade
2014: Haydn Fleury. Another player that Carolina did not develop properly. Traded in 2021 for rental Jani Hakanpaa
2015: Noah Hanifin: Same as Lindholm
2016: Jake Bean. Same situation as Fleury, traded for the picks that became Aleksi Heimosalmi
2017: Martin Necas... and half of the fanbase is trying to run him out of town
2017: Julien Gauthier. Hasn't developed yet, traded for Joey Keane
2018: MISTA SVECHNIKOV
2019: Ryan Suzuki
2020: Seth Jarvis (thanks Toronto!)

edit: I apparently don't type/research as fast as @Zinger
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Jul. 16 at 6:14 p.m.
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Not great in the first round but definitely the best team and drafting late round gems


Judd Brackets 1st round picks:

Van
2015 23rd Brock Boeser
2016 5th Olli Juolevi (breakfast ball)
2017 5th Elias Pettersson
2018 7th Quinn Hughes
2019 10th Vasili Podkolzin
MIN
2020 9th Marco Rossi
2021 20th Jesper Wallstedt
26th Carson Lambos
2022 19th Liam Ohgren
24th Danika Yurov

The man knows how to identify talent
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Jul. 16 at 6:16 p.m.
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Vancouver
2022 Lekkerimaki
2019 Podkolzin
2018 Hughes
2017 Pettersson
2016 Juolevi (yikes)
2015 Boeser
2014 McCann (traded for Gudbranson lmao) - Virtanen (oof) rough year outside of Demko second round
2013 Horvat
2012 Gaunce (forgot about him)
2011 Jensen (for about him as well)
2009 Schroeder (who?)


Sometimes I wonder what would’ve happened if Demko fell one more pick
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