Hughes still going after PLD i guess

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Jul. 16, 2022

Published: Jul. 16, 2022

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Apparently, the Canadiens have continued to pursue a Dubois trade even after acquiring Kirby Dach. “It is believed that Winnipeg is holding up the deal in an effort to secure a player Montreal has no interest in moving.” Apron Basu

I think in the end WPG will take the picks
I dont see MTL giving up anyone on the active roster
I think WPG knew that and is trying to leverage MTL to give up both 2023 1st rounders in the bundle.
I think WPG walks away with a good mix of prospects and picks
I think Drouin will be in the deal whether he plays or moves to LTIR for 1 year WPG loses nothing
There's still the chance leaving MTL as one of the last remaining French guys helps him alot
Playing by his former linemate in Junior Ehlers could work out helping him rebound

Again i'd just pass on PLD
No sense in acquiring a RFA like that who seems intent on Arbitration
Given how bad Arbitration usually screws us he'll probably end up with a Subban Deal.
I'm reluctantly giving him 7,25m because he's never going to be worth more then Suzuki Period
Thats not even open for Debate in my books so 7.25x7 with 3 year full NMC and 20m in Signing Bonus

This will end the Summer Moves
It might not happen like this but i do think PLD will be traded to MTL
I also think Anderson will be traded out for the simple fact his value is at an all time high

Until the TDL i expect it will be Evans and Pitlick on the outside looking in
Once Dadanov,Byron and and likely Lucic moved at the TDL they'll move on
While MTL might re-sign him later giving him a chance at a cup the other 2 wont
But that's for another post this one will already be confusing and lively enough

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Dubois, Pierre-Luc	7	$7,250,000
Dach, Kirby	1	$1,750,000
Primeau, Cayden	2	$850,000
Montembeault, Samuel	2	$950,000

Trades

MTL

Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]

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Whatever way you slice it Drouins a throw in move for cap purposes.WPG can use him then sell him or keep him assuming he's coming back and doesnt just retire or go on LTIR which doesnt really hinder WPG

Longshot odds he rebounds playing with Ehlers in WPG.But think of it like a Lotto ticket you're being paid to play

WPG

Drouin, Jonathan
Trudeau, William [Reserve List]
Ylönen, Jesse
2023 1st round pick (FLA)
2023 1st round pick (MTL)
2023 2nd round pick (MTL)

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Ylonen i'd love to keep as he's an upgrade on Armia but the reality is with Gally,Armia,Pitlick ,Dadanov,Byron, ext we're denying him the chance to succeed after a Great Effort in a game 7 series in the ECF push that just barely came up short.

I'd rather give up a Defensman as we're heavy on the Left D but i have a strong feeling Hughes will move him.

MTL

Lucic, Milan
2023 1st round pick (CGY)

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Top 10 protected but if CGY takes the pick MTL recieves a 1st in 2024 and a 4th in 2023

CGY

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He's a pending UFA MTL might flip
Then again we need a heavyweight on 4th
Pezzetta's a great middle weight guy
But the idea of Lucic-Dach-Armia makes me happy

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$69,826,666	$1,132,500	$5,070,000	$12,673,334

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Slafkovsky, Juraj $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) RW, LW RFA - 3	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 8	Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1
Dadonov, Evgeni $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Dubois, Pierre-Luc $7,250,000$7,250,000 C UFA - 1	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5
Hoffman, Mike $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW UFA - 2	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 3	Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Lucic, Milan $5,250,000$5,250,000 LW, RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Dach, Kirby $1,750,000$1,750,000 C, RW RFA - 4	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Pitlick, Rem $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) RD RFA - 2	Allen, Jake $2,875,000$2,875,000 G UFA - 1
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 4	Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 2	Montembeault, Samuel $950,000$950,000 G UFA - 2
Harris, Jordan $842,500$842,500 ($507,500$508K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 3
	Schueneman, Corey $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 4

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:29 p.m.

Howie

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That jets trade is actually good compared to the other hab deals this is accepted in my eyes but hab and jets fans are so far apart in value it's crazy

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:31 p.m.

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Edited Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:36 p.m.

The first from Montreal is nice. I'm not sure the rest of the filler makes Winnipeg consider it.

Since one first is compensation for taking Drouin it's really just Montreal's first, 2 prospects Winnipeg doesn't need and a 2nd.

It most likely doesn't interest Chevy unless the prospects are changed to pieces Winnipeg needs/wants.

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:32 p.m.

SlevinKalevra

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Poor Kirby 🤣

If I’m Peg I’m still asking for Dvorak and Guhle

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:32 p.m.

MellowK

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Quoting: Windjammer

The first from Montreal is nice. I'm not sure the rest of the filler makes Winnipeg consider it.

That 2023 1st should be a good one. No way this team makes the playoffs in the division they're in.

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:33 p.m.

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Quoting: Windjammer

Winnipeg gets more for Duboisas a rental, so this would be a fairly easy no.

How he's a RFA??
They'd have to go to arbtiration
They're not going to give him a 1 year deal
Even if they did he'd still be an RFA

Once he's signed to a big deal via Arbitration WPG leverage to get the most out of a deal dwindles
Hence them trying to hard to move him the last few months

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:37 p.m.

Windjammer

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Quoting: MellowK

That 2023 1st should be a good one. No way this team makes the playoffs in the division they're in.

Yeah I missed it was Montreal's first and fixed my post.

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.

AlakHul

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PLD is a habs in 2024, that 23 habs first is def top 10 protected. No sense in giving up assets if we’re expected to not be better than tampa, toronto (only to get in playoffs lmao) Panthers and Boston or Detroit might be ahead of habs so really there is no point in paying 3 1st to get Dubois. A first (2024) and a decent prospect with some salary (drouin/dadonov) would be a starting price, but they could get more if a contender were to try and get him at a TDL

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.

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At this point, I think Montreal should just offer sheet him. 2 years at 8.4M is only a first, second, and third for compensation. Winnipeg might match but at least it pushes the issue a bit and you know PLD will likely re-sign at the end of that deal anyway.

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.

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Quoting: SlevinKalevra

Poor Kirby 🤣

If I’m Peg I’m still asking for Dvorak and Guhle

Dach will move up with Armia beside PLD after Dadanov/Byron are gone
The goal is to have him stand alone as a Center behind 3 better Centers
While also developing chemistry with Armia for the shift

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Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.

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Quoting: Billy739

Yeah, I missed it was Montreal's first and fixed my post. I'm not sure what you're getting at with the rest.

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Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:44 p.m.

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We traded the 13th overall and a 3rd for Dach. The year before it was a 1st and a 2nd for Dvorak.
I'd be disappointed if we traded a 1st+ 3 years in a row, in an attempt to fill the same position, before even giving the previous two acquisitions every opportunity to fill that position.
If Winnipeg want Dach or Dvorak as the main piece, I might consider it depending on the rest of the package, but we're under no pressure to make such a move.

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:45 p.m.

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Quoting: AlakHul

Tampa isnt Tampa Anymore
Top heavy sure but they always were
What put them over was acquiring Grit in Coleman and Goodrow after signing Maroon
That and Gourde's back checking was huge for them defensively like Lehkonen was for us and AVS

They got a lot of good talent 100%
But they'd have to dump a Stamkos and build around Point to become scrary again
Vasilevsky is great but the Dcore's he had in front of him are no where near as big or aggressive

Are they a playoff team ?
Absolutely and a deep playoff team .... for now
Each passing year it gets worse for them like it did LAK and PIT after their 2 cups and CHI after their 3 cups

IF MTL acquires PLD it wont be because the Tank is still on

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:47 p.m.

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Quoting: Billy739

Habs starting goalie if Price doesnt get back is Allen and Monty, and they’re def not playoffs goalie so rn theres no point in trying to get in the playoffs, the 2023 habs first is the only untouchable thing next to caufield/suzuki/slaf

Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:56 p.m.

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With Dubois publicly stating he wants to go to the Habs you gotta think it hurts his value. There won’t be many teams interested because they know he’s a rental for any team but Montreal. I think the trae will be Roster player,1st,prospect

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Jul. 16, 2022 at 6:57 p.m.

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Quoting: ricochetii

I'd actually agree
I'd rather not get PLD
But Hughes seems to want him
He likes Big Centers

I couldnt see MTL offering much more for 1 simple fact
They can return after Arbitration when PLD is given a contract that is much harder to move.
It will take many teams out of the running ultimately killing the market on him
A lot of teams would pay him a good amount but few want to be tied down by term

With each passing day WPG's leverage drops
With Dach it was CHI with the leveage as Hughes needed to save face after denying the very upset fans at the draft Wright
I've seen MTL locals riot over less and he was pretty smart in his 1-2 punch even if the cost was high it was worth it from a PR POV

Dvorak it was ARZ with all the Leverage as they Turned down a 1st at the TDL from MTL as it wasnt enough
After losing both Danault and Kotkanemi our GM went back on his hands and knee's to ARZ's GM

In this case its WPG who's losing their leverage as each day draws closer to Arbitration
Especially after breaking 50pts for the 2nd time in his career just 1 point from tying his career high 61pts
MTL can handle it as they arent looking to move PLD so taking on Arbitrations decision isnt a big deal for them

Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:03 p.m.

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Quoting: AlakHul

Agreed
The hope is Price pulls a Kucherov and comes back to be the Catalyst in a cup
That said the Logic behind it is to Sell Allen at the TDL and bring up Primeau who's had a strong 2022 so far.
I figure let him play full time start in Laval until Allen finds a home

Hughes has been shoping Allen since before the draft
While we might not win a Cup we will give the kids valuable experience
Look at what Suzuki's first year did for him in a season we had no business being in the playoffs we just got in because of the Pandemic shutdown messing everything up

Hoping for the same thing for all the kids including Primeau
If we're trading our 1st round pick "there's no point " doesnt make sense
Unless we're tanking for a high pick the goal should ALWAYS be to get in the playoffs

I mean you counted us out im sure in our ECF run
Probably did to Suzuki's rookie year
That's why sports is fun because there's a variety of Factors we cant predict
Including and most famously Underdog Teams which are a basis for many popular films and novels

Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:11 p.m.

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Quoting: jet11567

I think if it gets that high MTL just OS him
Especially if Price is done and staying on LTIR
That eliminates MTL need to worry about Cap

Whats WPG gonna do ?
Match the offer on a player that wants out?
I mean if they do great
They can enjoy their very own Petry situation lol

Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:19 p.m.

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That 23first from mtl is a free shot for bedard, MTL wont be better than Toronto, Panthers, Lightning,Red Wings, Sens this year and Sabres were better last year too. Mtl cant OS PLD cuz it’d get matched if it doesnt include the mtl first. It all comes down to Price, even then the D is suspect atm and prob gon lose a bunch of games.

Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:21 p.m.

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Panthers are the ones maybe taking a step back and either wings or sens tale their spot, bruins could also take a step back but with Bergeron back, they prob in the rave for the playoffs and sell next year or the year after.

Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:22 p.m.

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Quoting: AlakHul

So when we went to the SCF you said all year long they deserved to be there right?
You're not wrong on these things correct?

Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:33 p.m.

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So when we went to the SCF you said all year long they deserved to be there right?
You're not wrong on these things correct?

This year was a cinderella run year, the team rode on Price’s back and when he needed the team, they let him down, but that also was against a much more talented team. Toronto are known Chokers, tho this year they def were close but rn they are getting worse imo, Jets had the Scheifele story which riled up the team and became King of the North, Vegas’s top line got shut down by Danault Lehky and Gallagher and they were not able to score. Against Tampa, who at that time, was a true powerhouse, Carey couldnt carry much more and it showed that they were the less talented team. This year it was a battle of the top talented team, but more about speed vs strength. Tampa was starting to slow down compared to the past years too. So no, the habs didnt deserve to be in the SCF but Carey did, and deserved a better team in front of him.

Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:35 p.m.

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Quoting: AlakHul

Thats a no then
I didnt ask for your excuse as to why you were wrong
Just pointed out the absurdity of Claiming you know how the season will play out before the off season is done
I was kinda hoping you'd take the hint

Instead if got this speech about "deserve" as if that's how Playoffs work hahaha

Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:41 p.m.

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Quoting: Billy739

If you just look at the lineup you can already guess that Habs wont be better than some teams, not hard to read, is Allen better than Vasilevski? Is Caufield better than Matthews? Is Suzuki better than Barkov? Rn you seem to be either hoping habs get in the plaoff and get bounced round 1 or end up being a mid of pack team, which is what they will be if Price is back.

Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:59 p.m.

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Habs definitely not trading their 1st 2023 without lottery protection …. Even then
Might as well wait till PLD is ufa in 2 years and not give up anything as they rebuild with high picks in ‘23 & ‘24 drafts

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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:03 p.m.

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Quoting: AlakHul

SMH you just dont get the big picture kid
You're trying to find reasons to justify your ignorance
Reality is you're someone who will always say they cant do it the whole way
Then the moment they accomplish something pretend you always supported them

If you had all the answers you'd make a killing on Betting site's
The fact is once the season gets going anything is possible
No one expected Suzuki or Caufield to have the impact they did
Not even those who were supporting them from day 1 thought they'd succeed so fast

Thats the beauty of Hockey is all the Variables that go into a Team sport like this vs other sports where depth isnt as important
Its how Underdogs CHI(2010), BOS(2011),LAK(2012),PIT (2016) ,WSH(2018) , and STL(2019) won instead of the President's Trophy Winners
Many of those teams made Summers deals that took awhile to show results and others were TDL acquisitions that put them over the top

The Older you get the more CONTEXT becomes as clear as the day is long.
You watch all these things unfold and remember why the sport is so exciting .

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