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What Is Barrie Actually Worth

Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:56 p.m.
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I've Seen Too Many Different Values Of Tyson Barrie, I'd Like To Know What Everyone's Thought Is On His Value As A Powerplay Specialist, An Offensive Defenseman, And A For Norris Trophy Nominee... Remember... He Was Greatly Robbed Of That Norris Trophy... So... What Are Your Thoughts Of His Value?
Jul. 16, 2022 at 7:58 p.m.
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Hoffman 1 for 1
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:00 p.m.
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Barrie is most effective with the puck on his stick, playing down in the lineup and taking advantageous O-zone draws on the PP. He is terrible defensively and should never be relied upon when the game is on the line which really hurts his value. His cap hit is *decent* and term is only two more years but in this hard cap world, he isn't worth what some Oil fans on here think he'll get.
Solid 4th round pick and a low-B level prospect. Anything more is an overpay in desperation.
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:04 p.m.
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He's a great pp guy good transition game. Bad defense and not anywhere close to a Norris conversation. I think you can get a 3rd and a prospect but it would have to be a situation that needs his skill set.
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:13 p.m.
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So many Oilers fans want an arm and a leg for Barrie, but will never acknowledge that he is a pylon defensively and typically gets the easiest matchups and a lot of time on the PP. And that is also before even talking about who he tends to play with. At the very best, he gets a 3rd at the deadline, but right now, particularly with Edmonton’s cap situation and the fact that he plays on the 3rd pairing with a 4.5mil cap hit, Edmonton will likely have to pay to dump him.

Contenders don’t have the cap to acquire Barrie at his full hit and Edmonton can’t exactly retain salary. And while that could be fixed with a 3rd team, why would they want to waste a retention spot and get about a 4th or a 5th to retain about 4.5mil over the course of 2 years. Particularly when they could use that same retention slot on a player that would get them more in return. And teams that are rebuilding or aren’t contending won’t pay to acquire Barrie, but will want to be paid to take on his hit instead.

Edmonton really has 4 options: 1) Take a low ball offer and get Barrie out. 2) Pay to dump Barrie and get him out. 3) Bite the bullet and keep Barrie. Or 4) Bite the bullet and buyout Barrie and deal with the consequences for the next 4 years. None of these options will be ideal for Edmonton, but you can’t expect a team wanting to contend to pay a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Barrie.
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:26 p.m.
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So many Oilers fans want an arm and a leg for Barrie, but will never acknowledge that he is a pylon defensively and typically gets the easiest matchups and a lot of time on the PP. And that is also before even talking about who he tends to play with. At the very best, he gets a 3rd at the deadline, but right now, particularly with Edmonton’s cap situation and the fact that he plays on the 3rd pairing with a 4.5mil cap hit, Edmonton will likely have to pay to dump him.

Contenders don’t have the cap to acquire Barrie at his full hit and Edmonton can’t exactly retain salary. And while that could be fixed with a 3rd team, why would they want to waste a retention spot and get about a 4th or a 5th to retain about 4.5mil over the course of 2 years. Particularly when they could use that same retention slot on a player that would get them more in return. And teams that are rebuilding or aren’t contending won’t pay to acquire Barrie, but will want to be paid to take on his hit instead.

Edmonton really has 4 options: 1) Take a low ball offer and get Barrie out. 2) Pay to dump Barrie and get him out. 3) Bite the bullet and keep Barrie. Or 4) Bite the bullet and buyout Barrie and deal with the consequences for the next 4 years. None of these options will be ideal for Edmonton, but you can’t expect a team wanting to contend to pay a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Barrie.


Tobe honest, I'd pay a 2nd to get rid of him, as long as I'd be getting a B+prospect back or something like that
Jul. 27, 2022 at 12:16 p.m.
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Once Bouchard rounds out his game and understands what his strengths and weaknesses are, it's safe to move on from Barrie. Barrie is currently on the team as a cushion to Bouchard and it's redundant to have both on the team. I don't believe there's a pressing need to move Barrie as the Oilers can use his scoring from the back end and he can slot accordingly to the defensive pairing when injuries arise. If he does get moved, I like to see a shutdown D as the return with less cap hit. As long as it makes sense from the Oilers perspective.
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Aug. 5, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.
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I think Barrie could be dumped to a rebuilding team for a pick swap, trade our late 2nd + Barrie for an early 3rd
Aug. 6, 2022 at 2:23 p.m.
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Quoting: evelutions2
So many Oilers fans want an arm and a leg for Barrie, but will never acknowledge that he is a pylon defensively and typically gets the easiest matchups and a lot of time on the PP. And that is also before even talking about who he tends to play with. At the very best, he gets a 3rd at the deadline, but right now, particularly with Edmonton’s cap situation and the fact that he plays on the 3rd pairing with a 4.5mil cap hit, Edmonton will likely have to pay to dump him.

Contenders don’t have the cap to acquire Barrie at his full hit and Edmonton can’t exactly retain salary. And while that could be fixed with a 3rd team, why would they want to waste a retention spot and get about a 4th or a 5th to retain about 4.5mil over the course of 2 years. Particularly when they could use that same retention slot on a player that would get them more in return. And teams that are rebuilding or aren’t contending won’t pay to acquire Barrie, but will want to be paid to take on his hit instead.

Edmonton really has 4 options: 1) Take a low ball offer and get Barrie out. 2) Pay to dump Barrie and get him out. 3) Bite the bullet and keep Barrie. Or 4) Bite the bullet and buyout Barrie and deal with the consequences for the next 4 years. None of these options will be ideal for Edmonton, but you can’t expect a team wanting to contend to pay a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Barrie.


His strength of competition is very high.
Aug. 14, 2022 at 1:32 a.m.
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I feel like hes worth a late second round pick.
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Aug. 23, 2022 at 4:34 p.m.
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The closest comparable I can think of is John Klingberg. He signed with the Ducks for $7M x 1, proving there is a market for these kinds of players. However, the trade market is cut-throat right now, and the meaning of "cap dump" appears to have been redefined. In the salary cap era, there have always been trades that were motivated by the need to be cap compliant. In the past, the term "cap dump" was used to describe transactions that involved players of little, or rapidly diminishing value. Today a "cap dump" may involve a player of significant value, as evidenced by recent transactions involving Vegas.

At the time Barrie signed his current contract the total value was team friendly, the AAV of $4.5M was considered low and I'm sure Ken Holland felt he'd have no trouble moving Barrie before the 3-year deal came to an end. Most fans felt the term was not ideal, but understood that it was necessary in order to keep the AAV down. Well, since then, Evan Bouchard's game developed much quicker than anticipated, and League revenues went into the dumpster and the salary cap stagnated.

I think the length of Barrie's contract is the biggest impediment to a trade in today's market. In my opinion, this player probably garners more interest and a better return at the TDL, or in the next off-season. At the very least, he should be less expensive to move by then. In the meantime, Woodcroft and Manson have to figure out how to achieve some balance on Edmonton's blue line, and Holland needs to figure out how he's going to get his team under the salary cap.
Aug. 28, 2022 at 11:23 p.m.
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