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Today will go down as the day Hextall ruined the Penguins

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Team: 2022-23 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 16, 2022
Published: Jul. 16, 2022
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Congratulations Philly, you’re crazy ex goalie has ruined us. I guess I’m glad the flyers are a dumpster fire.

No everything will not be ok. We will not trade Pettersson for a random draft pick. Two trades later and we are sitting here with 9 defenseman just like we had when the day started. We sent Marino away to acquire an older RHD and we sent our best skater on the whole team away in the process.

With this front office my guess is ERod or Heinen will come back and that’s going to be a wrap. Get ready for another one and done with a worse team than left the ice
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:05 p.m.
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lol really? the only reason Petry had a bad season last year is because of family reasons, now that'll be happy you get a really good 2nd D.
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:06 p.m.
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lol really? the only reason Petry had a bad season last year is because of family reasons, now that'll be happy you get a really good 2nd D.


We didn’t need him. It’s a total waste of a roster spot
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:08 p.m.
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We didn’t need him. It’s a total waste of a roster spot


Petry makes more than Letang. 😲
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:09 p.m.
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you're overreacting.

PIT got younger (desperately needed) with the Smith move, and although got older with the 2nd move, its not really at a quality loss to the team. You just shed a bad contract a year earlier.

If you get year 1 Smith, you could get a pretty skilled top 4 d out of this move.
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:09 p.m.
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We didn’t need him. It’s a total waste of a roster spot


Kind of agree.

But, what was accomplished here in the grand scheme of things was getting Ty Smith.....

Thing is, Petry's contract lines up with all other contacts for starters. And the Pens are committed to running the Crosby era out. Petry I believe is an upgrade on Matheson..... ruined? No. Better no. More lateral moves than anything.
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:10 p.m.
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Petry makes more than Letang. 😲


It’s beyond delusional
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:13 p.m.
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Petry makes more than Letang. 😲


only because letang took a pay cut...
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:14 p.m.
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Kind of agree.

But, what was accomplished here in the grand scheme of things was getting Ty Smith.....

Thing is, Petry's contract lines up with all other contacts for starters. And the Pens are committed to running the Crosby era out. Petry I believe is an upgrade on Matheson..... ruined? No. Better no. More lateral moves than anything.


Ty Smith is the big prize? Why did NJ want to move the kid if he is some prize asset? Matheson was the best at carrying the puck because he was the faster skater on the team. Smith is not better than Matheson and AT BEST Petry and Marino is a wash but one make more and is older. These were bad trades and they leave us with no room to sign an impact forward. Our forwards are just not very good outside of Sid’s line. Geno has developed chemistry with absolutely none of these forwards besides Jake and Rust… who happen to be on Sid’s line.

I see a one superstar line team with at absolute best a D core that is ever so slightly better but only because we have 9 options. The additions aren’t really better than those leaving
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:15 p.m.
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only because letang took a pay cut...


Selective justification
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:15 p.m.
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Idk if th smith is more his rookie season than last year it could be huge. You moved 2 good defensive guys but smith and petry push the puck.
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:18 p.m.
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Selective justification


yes?
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:20 p.m.
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Idk if th smith is more his rookie season than last year it could be huge. You moved 2 good defensive guys but smith and petry push the puck.


Matheson was not a good defensive dman. No one pushed play up ice better than him on the team. It was his one asset. If Ty Smith turns into some stud then I’ll eat my words. I don’t see it happening and even if he comes good this trade with Montreal is just an all around bad trade. It took away cap space to sign a top 6 winger. If we were going to move Matheson to Montreal we should have took on one of their wingers
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:21 p.m.
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Idk if th smith is more his rookie season than last year it could be huge. You moved 2 good defensive guys but smith and petry push the puck.


Uh, they usually push it to the other team. Both are turnover machines
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:22 p.m.
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You are overreacting sooo hard
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:26 p.m.
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You are overreacting sooo hard


So how are we adding a top six forward now? Is it going to be some magic Pettersson trade that clearly isn’t going to happen in the real world?
Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:40 p.m.
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I don't understand why Marino had to be traded at all. As a Canucks fan I was furious seeing this deal because he would've been perfect for the Canucks and we were actually good trading partners. Everything made logical sense. Marino for Garland or a Marino package for Miller.

I agree with your sentiments though and I would be sad with these moves as a PIT fan.
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 8:45 p.m.
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So how are we adding a top six forward now? Is it going to be some magic Pettersson trade that clearly isn’t going to happen in the real world?


How do you know this pettersson trade isn’t going to happen? Are you in the negotiating room?

Just take a deep breath and let the guy get to work. He has plenty of time to sort the roster out
Jul. 16, 2022 at 9:12 p.m.
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How do you know this pettersson trade isn’t going to happen? Are you in the negotiating room?

Just take a deep breath and let the guy get to work. He has plenty of time to sort the roster out


He moved a Dman with a NMC. Pettersson has no clauses. He should be easy to move shouldn’t he? I’m using common sense, either Hextall values Pettersson more than Matheson… or he can’t find a trading partner without it becoming a dump.
Jul. 16, 2022 at 9:14 p.m.
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I don't understand why Marino had to be traded at all. As a Canucks fan I was furious seeing this deal because he would've been perfect for the Canucks and we were actually good trading partners. Everything made logical sense. Marino for Garland or a Marino package for Miller.

I agree with your sentiments though and I would be sad with these moves as a PIT fan.


And in all honesty I could have lived with just the NJ trade. I don’t love it but I understood what he was doing. The MTL trade is simply indefensible
Jul. 16, 2022 at 9:22 p.m.
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And in all honesty I could have lived with just the NJ trade. I don’t love it but I understood what he was doing. The MTL trade is simply indefensible


Its about the next two years only. Who's the better player for the next two years. After that we'll be trying to get top 5 picks.
Jul. 16, 2022 at 9:27 p.m.
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He moved a Dman with a NMC. Pettersson has no clauses. He should be easy to move shouldn’t he? I’m using common sense, either Hextall values Pettersson more than Matheson… or he can’t find a trading partner without it becoming a dump.


I'm guessing it was either move Pettersson as a dump or Marino and get some value back. They needed to clear space for Petry.
Jul. 16, 2022 at 9:55 p.m.
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I don't understand why Marino had to be traded at all. As a Canucks fan I was furious seeing this deal because he would've been perfect for the Canucks and we were actually good trading partners. Everything made logical sense. Marino for Garland or a Marino package for Miller.

I agree with your sentiments though and I would be sad with these moves as a PIT fan.


New Jersey had the salary to do this trade. The Canucks don't have the salary to do it due to OEL.
Jul. 16, 2022 at 10:04 p.m.
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And in all honesty I could have lived with just the NJ trade. I don’t love it but I understood what he was doing. The MTL trade is simply indefensible


I see it opposite tbh. In a vacuum, Petry is a decent defenseman who would help the team win now. Having him in addition to Marino would have really solidified RD. But I don't think Petry is an upgrade on Marino, which begs the question why trade the younger, cheaper RHD? I get that the MTL trade wouldn't have happened if Marino was still there, but the first trade is the problem in my eyes. They must really believe in Smith, which I don't.

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New Jersey had the salary to do this trade. The Canucks don't have the salary to do it due to OEL.


You didn't even read my post. Garland for Marino would essentially be cap neutral and so would a Miller trade (depending on the package).
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 10:15 p.m.
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Ty Smith is the big prize? Why did NJ want to move the kid if he is some prize asset? Matheson was the best at carrying the puck because he was the faster skater on the team. Smith is not better than Matheson and AT BEST Petry and Marino is a wash but one make more and is older. These were bad trades and they leave us with no room to sign an impact forward. Our forwards are just not very good outside of Sid’s line. Geno has developed chemistry with absolutely none of these forwards besides Jake and Rust… who happen to be on Sid’s line.

I see a one superstar line team with at absolute best a D core that is ever so slightly better but only because we have 9 options. The additions aren’t really better than those leaving


Devils are craaazy deep on the blueline organizationally. Made this move from an area of strength. Bahl, Hughes, Walsh just to name e that are close to ready.

Marino means Severson is all but gone at season's end, which probably saves them a cool $1-2 million in the process.

Matheson over his career as been quite inconsistent, where Petry has been pretty damn solid. If you are committed to keeping the Crosby era window open, I think it's a deal you do, knowing in 3 years it is done.

Ty Smith has top 4 potential, and young enough to be part of the rebuild.

Overall, weird business, but I can see logic in it
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Jul. 16, 2022 at 10:35 p.m.
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I see it opposite tbh. In a vacuum, Petry is a decent defenseman who would help the team win now. Having him in addition to Marino would have really solidified RD. But I don't think Petry is an upgrade on Marino, which begs the question why trade the younger, cheaper RHD? I get that the MTL trade wouldn't have happened if Marino was still there, but the first trade is the problem in my eyes. They must really believe in Smith, which I don't.



You didn't even read my post. Garland for Marino would essentially be cap neutral and so would a Miller trade (depending on the package).


Thats true. I guess Allvin has his own criteria when choosing his right side D or if Hextall and Allvin wasn't a good fit.
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