Miller - Girard - CapFriendly

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Dobson, Noah	3	$4,000,000
Romanov, Alexander	2	$2,000,000
Bellows, Kieffer	1	$1,000,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Milano, Sonny	1	$2,000,000

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$81,414,963	$245,796	$1,287,500	$1,085,037

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Miller, J.T. $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Barzal, Mathew $7,000,000$7,000,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Palmieri, Kyle $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 3
Lee, Anders $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW NTC UFA - 4	Nelson, Brock $6,000,000$6,000,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 3	Wahlstrom, Oliver $894,167$894,167 ($537,500$538K) RW RFA - 1
Parise, Zach $750,000$750,000 ($750,000$750K) LW UFA - 1	Pageau, Jean-Gabriel $5,000,000$5,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	Milano, Sonny $2,000,000$2,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Martin, Matt $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Cizikas, Casey $2,500,000$2,500,000 C UFA - 5	Clutterbuck, Cal $1,750,000$1,750,000 RW UFA - 2
Bellows, Kieffer $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Johnston, Ross $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW UFA - 4

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Pelech, Adam $5,750,000$5,750,000 LD NTC UFA - 7	Pulock, Ryan $6,150,000$6,150,000 RD NTC UFA - 8	Varlamov, Semyon $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
	Dobson, Noah $4,000,000$4,000,000 RD RFA - 3	Sorokin, Ilya $4,000,000$4,000,000 G UFA - 2
Romanov, Alexander $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD RFA - 3	Mayfield, Scott $1,450,000$1,450,000 RD UFA - 1
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 5
Aho, Sebastian $825,000$825,000 LD UFA - 2

Jul. 18, 2022 at 10:43 a.m.

#1

Lenny7

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A couple of Girard to the Isles trades this am already! Unless Lou and Sakic have switched seats, I can't imagine the Avs doing you a major favour like this...Girard was playing almost 22 minutes a night last year, and is on a great deal for 5 more years...if they move him, I've gotta imagine it's not going to be cheap.

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Jul. 18, 2022 at 10:46 a.m.

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JonnyLamoriello

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Really depends how much Sakic needs the cap space. End of day, COL won the cup without Girard in the hardest 2 rounds of the playoffs. Also, Salo has solid potential, and the trade also includes a 2nd and 3rd - with the 3rd being from Seattle, which is likely to be in the top 5 of the 3rd round. I really don't think this is too unfair.

Jul. 18, 2022 at 10:46 a.m.

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JonnyLamoriello

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Quoting: Lenny7

A couple of Girard to the Isles trades this am already! Unless Lou and Sakic have switched seats, I can't imagine the Avs doing you a major favour like this...Girard was playing almost 22 minutes a night last year, and is on a great deal for 5 more years...if they move him, I've gotta imagine it's not going to be cheap.

Really depends how much Sakic needs the cap space. End of day, COL won the cup without Girard in the hardest 2 rounds of the playoffs. Also, Salo has solid potential, and the trade also includes a 2nd and 3rd - with the 3rd being from Seattle, which is likely to be in the top 5 of the 3rd round. I really don't think this is too unfair.

Jul. 18, 2022 at 10:50 a.m.

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Quoting: JonnyLamoriello

Really depends how much Sakic needs the cap space. End of day, COL won the cup without Girard in the hardest 2 rounds of the playoffs. Also, Salo has solid potential, and the trade also includes a 2nd and 3rd - with the 3rd being from Seattle, which is likely to be in the top 5 of the 3rd round. I really don't think this is too unfair.

I can't see MacFarland (Sakic is president, not GM now) treating Girard like a cap dump - if he can't get the return he wants, he'll just keep him.

Jul. 18, 2022 at 10:51 a.m.

#5

turtlemountain

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This trade is brutal for the Avs

Jul. 18, 2022 at 10:55 a.m.

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Warrior24

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A Girard trade to the Isles is bad asset management. Nothing against the player but to pay a guy that would be on your 3rd pairing $5M is not a good situation. As for the package the AVS could get a better return from a team that needed a top 4 LD. Neither team would make this trade.

Miller is most likely going to stay with Van and be a rental at the deadline where the Isles offer would be a 1st and prospect like Holmstrom. He is also a candidate for the worst contract of 2023 when he is a UFA as 30 year old forward typically do not age well and I would be hesitant to invest 7 years in him.

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Jul. 18, 2022 at 10:55 a.m.

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joshelkin

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Yes please

Jul. 18, 2022 at 10:55 a.m.

#8

dannibalcorpse

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Isn't Beau & a 1st basically the deal Vancouver turned down already? Rumors are what they are, but I can't see them taking the deal all of a sudden now when there's no guarantee the Isles would be picking at #13 again next year (I assume if they trade for JT Miller the pick would be higher).

If Vancouver already passed on this deal, I don't know what I'd want to add. I also don't know what Vancouver is looking for that we have in terms of prospects. I know they want RD but beyond Bode Wilde (lol) there's nothing of value in the system to move out at that position. I honestly just think the Canucks and Isles don't match up well for a trade.

Jul. 18, 2022 at 10:58 a.m.

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Quoting: JonnyLamoriello

Really depends how much Sakic needs the cap space. End of day, COL won the cup without Girard in the hardest 2 rounds of the playoffs. Also, Salo has solid potential, and the trade also includes a 2nd and 3rd - with the 3rd being from Seattle, which is likely to be in the top 5 of the 3rd round. I really don't think this is too unfair.

The Isles literally gave up more value than this for Romanov. ROMANOV!

Jul. 18, 2022 at 11:04 a.m.

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joshelkin

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Quoting: Warrior24

A Girard trade to the Isles is bad asset management. Nothing against the player but to pay a guy that would be on your 3rd pairing $5M is not a good situation. As for the package the AVS could get a better return from a team that needed a top 4 LD. Neither team would make this trade.

Miller is most likely going to stay with Van and be a rental at the deadline where the Isles offer would be a 1st and prospect like Holmstrom. He is also a candidate for the worst contract of 2023 when he is a UFA as 30 year old forward typically do not age well and I would be hesitant to invest 7 years in him.

Just speaking on Girard we know how evenly the Isles rotate d-pairs (plus he will get PP time) I'm not worried about how it looks on paper. You just called him a top-4 caliber defenseman. He'll get his minutes if he came here

Jul. 18, 2022 at 11:05 a.m.

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joshelkin

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

Isn't Beau & a 1st basically the deal Vancouver turned down already? Rumors are what they are, but I can't see them taking the deal all of a sudden now when there's no guarantee the Isles would be picking at #13 again next year (I assume if they trade for JT Miller the pick would be higher).

If Vancouver already passed on this deal, I don't know what I'd want to add. I also don't know what Vancouver is looking for that we have in terms of prospects. I know they want RD but beyond Bode Wilde (lol) there's nothing of value in the system to move out at that position. I honestly just think the Canucks and Isles don't match up well for a trade.

Wasn't the hold up that Vancouver wouldn't allow us to talk extension with him? Could understand Lou not paying that price without knowing Miller would be locked up long term

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Jul. 18, 2022 at 11:08 a.m.

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Quoting: joshelkin

Just speaking on Girard we know how evenly the Isles rotate d-pairs (plus he will get PP time) I'm not worried about how it looks on paper. You just called him a top-4 caliber defenseman. He'll get his minutes if he came here

Just because he is a top-4 D does not mean the Isles should pursue him. That is bad asset management as those are picks/ prospects and cap space that can be used to acquire a scorer.

Jul. 18, 2022 at 11:18 a.m.

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Quoting: Warrior24

A Girard trade to the Isles is bad asset management. Nothing against the player but to pay a guy that would be on your 3rd pairing $5M is not a good situation. As for the package the AVS could get a better return from a team that needed a top 4 LD. Neither team would make this trade.

Miller is most likely going to stay with Van and be a rental at the deadline where the Isles offer would be a 1st and prospect like Holmstrom. He is also a candidate for the worst contract of 2023 when he is a UFA as 30 year old forward typically do not age well and I would be hesitant to invest 7 years in him.

i think VAN if bluffing personally with regards to an extension for Miller. Have to wonder why an extension hasn’t come about yet, and if it doesn't happen by Sept/Oct it ain't happening. More importantly, I’m sure VAN wants to be a playoff team this coming season. To have this guy play all season on your team, and have to trade him at the deadline as you compete for a playoff spot, seems VERY counter productive. And if they keep him in march without an extension, they’ll lose him for nothing next summer. I think van has to lock in an extension by September or he gets moved before the season starts. Not to mention he could also get injured leading up to the trade deadline. BTW, miller would be very smart to sign an extension now (whether w van or elsewhere), coming off a 99 point season. That ain't an easy number to match or beat next season. If he declines in points, his next signing will be noticeably less. He needs to be smart about this.

Jul. 18, 2022 at 11:23 a.m.

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dannibalcorpse

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Quoting: Warrior24

Just because he is a top-4 D does not mean the Isles should pursue him. That is bad asset management as those are picks/ prospects and cap space that can be used to acquire a scorer.

there are worse ways to use their assets (have you seen the guy around here saying it's a *great* idea to give Kadri a 6x$8M deal??) than getting a versatile guy like Girard. I don't love the cap hit, and I think the Isles would need to add something to that deal to make it happen, but I think it lets you shelter Romanov a little bit more and gives you 6 incredibly strong D - plus since Girard can play both sides, it gives you a little more flexibility in finding a Mayfield replacement next summer (if Bolduc's ready, slide Girard to RD3; if not, you can shop both sides for the best deal in UFA).

You're taking a little bit of a gamble about the cap going back to increasing at a more regular rate and that $5M cap hit not being a waste on the 3rd pair, but I don't think there's anything wrong with having two guys who could be second pair players on your third. Makes it easier to deal with the inevitable injuries and really makes you a beast of a team for the playoffs.

Jul. 18, 2022 at 11:31 a.m.

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

there are worse ways to use their assets (have you seen the guy around here saying it's a *great* idea to give Kadri a 6x$8M deal??) than getting a versatile guy like Girard. I don't love the cap hit, and I think the Isles would need to add something to that deal to make it happen, but I think it lets you shelter Romanov a little bit more and gives you 6 incredibly strong D - plus since Girard can play both sides, it gives you a little more flexibility in finding a Mayfield replacement next summer (if Bolduc's ready, slide Girard to RD3; if not, you can shop both sides for the best deal in UFA).

You're taking a little bit of a gamble about the cap going back to increasing at a more regular rate and that $5M cap hit not being a waste on the 3rd pair, but I don't think there's anything wrong with having two guys who could be second pair players on your third. Makes it easier to deal with the inevitable injuries and really makes you a beast of a team for the playoffs.

Have not seen the Kadri post, but that would be the immediate worst signing of Free Agency.

It just does not make sense, the team needs those assets and cap to get a scorer and the Avs will clearly get a better package than that for Girard. The Avs are not going to let Girard go for less than what the Isles just traded for Romanov in a 1st round pick. So the Isles are going to trade another 1st round pick for a D-Man when they could use that to get a scorer.

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Jul. 18, 2022 at 11:36 a.m.

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Quoting: Warrior24

Have not seen the Kadri post, but that would be the immediate worst signing of Free Agency.

It just does not make sense, the team needs those assets and cap to get a scorer and the Avs will clearly get a better package than that for Girard. The Avs are not going to let Girard go for less than what the Isles just traded for Romanov in a 1st round pick. So the Isles are going to trade another 1st round pick for a D-Man when they could use that to get a scorer.

I agree, the fact that the Avs can point to Romanov and say "better player, pay more" makes the deal hard to make. If they went for a deal like OP offered (Salo/2nd/3rd), or hell, even a little richer (throw in a Holmstrom maybe?) I'd think about it. But if it gets to a 1st++ it's just sinking too much in.

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Jul. 18, 2022 at 3:16 p.m.

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VAN decline, they don't need wingers. They would want a young top 4 RHD as the starting piece for a Miller trade.

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