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What FLA willing to give to move Bobrovsky

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 19, 2022
Published: Jul. 19, 2022
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This Scenrario Price Retire's outright at the start of Preseason.
MTL has the Cap to take him on and the organizational need if Price is gone
Whether you believe Primeau is ready or not for the NHL(i do) you know a Starter is needed.


If we can get paid to bring in a good goalie who went 5 years between his Vezina's i'd gamble on him as he could tighten up her and go on 1 more really good run. Then again probably not.
Nemeth Trade is the basis for Drouin's based on the premise of Nemeth for a 2nd and a 3rd done recently

Either way if we're being Paid for it , its still a win for us even at that cost if the price is right.
We can move him out later if need be but for the next 2-3 years we'll need him without Price

So the point of this post is to establish reasonably what FLA would give up for 10m cap longterm?
Free Agent Signings
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3$1,750,000
2$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,950,000
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  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. 2024 4th round pick (MTL)
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (MTL)
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Nemeth cost for Capdump to ARZ
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MTL
  1. Bobrovsky, Sergei
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How much does FLA value 10m cap free'd up?
What are they willing to pay to move Bobo?
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23$82,500,000$71,493,333$1,132,500$5,070,000$11,006,667
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C
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:22 p.m.
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Alexa, what's a NMC?
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Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:24 p.m.
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Drouin isn't a cap dump, WTF
Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:28 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Alexa, what's a NMC?


You think he'll really stay ?
I didnt see that coming

With his burden of a Contract no matter how heavy they get within the given Cap
They never make it deep into the playoffs despite Bobo doing his part

You really think that hasnt worn on him?
I mean Luongo left VAN in a fit for less
Not the only Goalie either to get tired and move on

I just thought now's the time
They lost a lot of quality options that were working cheap
They wont be able to add for a push again for a awhile after going all in last year
Logically you'd figure anyone looking to win a cup would see the writing on the wall

I know Price doesnt care about a cup unless he wins it with MTL, i dont get it but he keeps saying it
I just never ever heard Bobo show that kind of loyality

I figured jumping on board behind a top line like Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield might interest him
Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:29 p.m.
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Quoting: SMH
Drouin isn't a cap dump, WTF


Yes he is
Less then Monahan and lucic in production
They're both Cap Dumps

Beyond that Pacioretty had 37pts in 39 games
VGK had to give up a Prospect to give him a way
He was clearly a cap dump despite being 5x the player Drouin will ever be

Its Called a "Market" and you have to pay attention to it
Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:35 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Alexa, what's a NMC?


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Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
Yes he is
Less then Monahan and lucic in production
They're both Cap Dumps

Beyond that Pacioretty had 37pts in 39 games
VGK had to give up a Prospect to give him a way
He was clearly a cap dump despite being 5x the player Drouin will ever be

Its Called a "Market" and you have to pay attention to it


There has to be a pressing need or long term commitment to justify it. Neither exists.
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Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
Yes he is
Less then Monahan and lucic in production
They're both Cap Dumps

Beyond that Pacioretty had 37pts in 39 games
VGK had to give up a Prospect to give him a way
He was clearly a cap dump despite being 5x the player Drouin will ever be

Its Called a "Market" and you have to pay attention to it


What are you talking about less production? Lucic 21 points in 82 games, Monahan 23 points in 65 games - DROUIN 20 POINTS IN 34 GAMES

Yes they had more points then him but they also played over 30 games more and still only finished with a couple more points each. Drouin isn't valuable in this market but 50% retained at the deadline after being healthy all season and there will be a market for him
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Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:40 p.m.
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Last thing the Habs (or any team really) should ever do, is have a $10M goaltender under contract.
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Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:43 p.m.
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You think he'll really stay ?
I didnt see that coming

With his burden of a Contract no matter how heavy they get within the given Cap
They never make it deep into the playoffs despite Bobo doing his part

You really think that hasnt worn on him?
I mean Luongo left VAN in a fit for less
Not the only Goalie either to get tired and move on

I just thought now's the time
They lost a lot of quality options that were working cheap
They wont be able to add for a push again for a awhile after going all in last year
Logically you'd figure anyone looking to win a cup would see the writing on the wall

I know Price doesnt care about a cup unless he wins it with MTL, i dont get it but he keeps saying it
I just never ever heard Bobo show that kind of loyality

I figured jumping on board behind a top line like Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield might interest him


Why would he go to the worst team in the nhl?
Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:45 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Why would he go to the worst team in the nhl?


Read the last line
Its literally right there above your comment

Which leads me to think you're just trolling with sarcastic answers and this is a waste of my time responding
Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
Read the last line
Its literally right there above your comment

Which leads me to think you're just trolling with sarcastic answers and this is a waste of my time responding


Your last line changes nothing about what I wrote
Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:50 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Last thing the Habs (or any team really) should ever do, is have a $10M goaltender under contract.


Agreed
But depending on the Price , i might

It just seems like a year where Cap is in extremely short supply
Especially in FLA and Bobo's still a good goalie way better then we got currently
We'd be paid to take him and that has value atleast for a few more years till he declines.

Again if they're not putting up a kings ransome then F them
Let FLA rebuild and its just 1 more team out of MTL's way

But if they are willing to pay, wouldnt you be curious to see the price?
Sadly i've gotten no FLA fans yet for Input
Just a Troll in his mid 40s who likes bad sitcoms and a few habs fans

Instead of getting Intelligent feedback i've largely got Fodder
That said its what i expect on this forum 9/10
Its also why when Trades happen i drag their noses in how wrong they are
It never humbles them but it makes me smile so what the hell right lol
Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:51 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Your last line changes nothing about what I wrote


You asked a question
That was the Answer

Like it or Dont
It doesnt change the Answer SMH
American Public Education .... WOW
Jul. 19, 2022 at 1:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
What are you talking about less production? Lucic 21 points in 82 games, Monahan 23 points in 65 games - DROUIN 20 POINTS IN 34 GAMES

Yes they had more points then him but they also played over 30 games more and still only finished with a couple more points each. Drouin isn't valuable in this market but 50% retained at the deadline after being healthy all season and there will be a market for him


You're selling that being on IR most of the past few years is a selling point to a Playoff Team SMH

Martin Havlat was really good when he wasnt injured
Playoff teams always wanted him and would sign him no questions asked
Come TDL no one was paying for an Injury prone winger.
He's someone a team adds in the Summer as cheap as possible

I mean its a hard sell telling me he has more value because he was injured again and they were healthy . . ..
Jul. 19, 2022 at 2:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
You asked a question
That was the Answer

Like it or Dont
It doesnt change the Answer SMH
American Public Education .... WOW


You called me a troll because I said Montreal was the worst team in the NHL, which they are, and you are acting like a child because you don't like it.

There's my answer
Jul. 19, 2022 at 2:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
Read the last line
Its literally right there above your comment

Which leads me to think you're just trolling with sarcastic answers and this is a waste of my time responding


Can you imagine calling someone a troll after saying drouin is a cap dump on a rebuilding team and suggesting he should be dealt at the cost of a 2nd and a 4th, open your eyes buddy
Jul. 19, 2022 at 2:25 p.m.
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Quoting: SMH
Can you imagine calling someone a troll after saying drouin is a cap dump on a rebuilding team and suggesting he should be dealt at the cost of a 2nd and a 4th, open your eyes buddy


I used a current trade based in this market in this reality
A player who is hurt less often and more consistent in his productivity over a longer period

Pretty sure i stated that in context in the above Description . . .
This isnt out of left field this is based on Context
What's yours based on and can you site Examples in Context as well?

Trolls offer nothing
I offer logic for my statements
Can you do the same ?
Jul. 19, 2022 at 2:31 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
You called me a troll because I said Montreal was the worst team in the NHL, which they are, and you are acting like a child because you don't like it.

There's my answer

I said you were a Troll before you made that comment about MTL being the worst(nice attempt at manipulation)
What Intelligence have you offered to the Conversation?
Trolls always try to Manipulate Context in hopes you forget they take away more then they contribute to Society

Again, what Intelligent input did you bring to the table ?(this is where Jerry gets quiet and dissapears from my posts for a week)
Jul. 19, 2022 at 3:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
I said you were a Troll before you made that comment about MTL being the worst(nice attempt at manipulation)
What Intelligence have you offered to the Conversation?
Trolls always try to Manipulate Context in hopes you forget they take away more then they contribute to Society

Again, what Intelligent input did you bring to the table ?(this is where Jerry gets quiet and dissapears from my posts for a week)


Hi. I find it hard to believe that Bobrovsky would waive his NMC to go from the team that won the Presidents trophy to one of the worst hockey teams I have ever seen. That is my contribution.
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Jul. 19, 2022 at 4:01 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Hi. I find it hard to believe that Bobrovsky would waive his NMC to go from the team that won the Presidents trophy to one of the worst hockey teams I have ever seen. That is my contribution.


*Time * 3 hours and 15 minutes after original post is all it took for it to happen
Imagine if you started out Convesations offering something to it instead of just taking from it

I cant say your wrong
I can say this though , they wont be the team they were last year
Like DAL going all in on Hazal they blew their wad in a make it or break it situation
Now they're just trying to re-work their roster figuring out how to compete

IF i thought FLA was going to be the same team this year then sure
I thought for sure it was going to be a COL vs FLA final all last year they were more stacked then TBL
But they're not that team right now

Nor will they be again if Bobo Stays
So based on that Premise does he stay the next few years because he was Presidents Trophy Winner in 2022 or
does he move forward given the playoffs always end the same for him in FLA?
Especially when he left CBJ after a similar playoff run over a couple years
He came to FLA to a better team and has less playoff wins then when he was in CBJ

Chances are living through it he'll consider that
Jul. 19, 2022 at 4:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
*Time * 3 hours and 15 minutes after original post is all it took for it to happen
Imagine if you started out Convesations offering something to it instead of just taking from it

I cant say your wrong
I can say this though , they wont be the team they were last year
Like DAL going all in on Hazal they blew their wad in a make it or break it situation
Now they're just trying to re-work their roster figuring out how to compete

IF i thought FLA was going to be the same team this year then sure
I thought for sure it was going to be a COL vs FLA final all last year they were more stacked then TBL
But they're not that team right now

Nor will they be again if Bobo Stays
So based on that Premise does he stay the next few years because he was Presidents Trophy Winner in 2022 or
does he move forward given the playoffs always end the same for him in FLA?
Especially when he left CBJ after a similar playoff run over a couple years
He came to FLA to a better team and has less playoff wins then when he was in CBJ

Chances are living through it he'll consider that


He was a UFA and they offered him 10 million a year with no state taxes. Being traded to Montreal might cost him 1 million a year alone in taxes
Jul. 19, 2022 at 5:07 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
He was a UFA and they offered him 10 million a year with no state taxes. Being traded to Montreal might cost him 1 million a year alone in taxes


Thats valid
Also the reason everyone uses ever for not coming to MTL
Low and Behold people still sign here all the time

I remember when Petry was a Free Agent
Everyone said he'd never play in Canada for that reason
His final 2 teams were TOR and MTL he chose between

I hear it constantly
Reality is non residents assume Quebec citizens pay equal Federal Tax
They do not taking less to have more Freedom to say French First and F Billingualism that was being pushed on Quebec

While its signifigantly cheaper to play in FLA
In states that have both Federal and State Taxes with no exemption the difference is no where near as drastic
That said FLA does this to every team but TBL really and the other 30 teams still find UFA's all the time

I mean by your logic Callahan , Johnson or Mcdonugh never waive their NMC either
They did and 2/3 went to really bad teams when they did it , like bottom of the league bad.
Jul. 19, 2022 at 5:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
You're selling that being on IR most of the past few years is a selling point to a Playoff Team SMH

Martin Havlat was really good when he wasnt injured
Playoff teams always wanted him and would sign him no questions asked
Come TDL no one was paying for an Injury prone winger.
He's someone a team adds in the Summer as cheap as possible

I mean its a hard sell telling me he has more value because he was injured again and they were healthy . . ..


I didn't say any of that, you said he produced less then two players but he produced one less point in over 30 less games.

He doesn't have value right now but as I said before IF he is healthy and playing like his normal self they retain 50% and he will have value.
Jul. 19, 2022 at 5:30 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
You called me a troll because I said Montreal was the worst team in the NHL, which they are, and you are acting like a child because you don't like it.

There's my answer


*Third worst team in the NHL.

Arizona and Chicago will do whatever they can to usurp them
 
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