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What FLA willing to give to move Bobrovsky

Created by: Billy739
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 19, 2022
Published: Jul. 19, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
This Scenrario Price Retire's outright at the start of Preseason.
MTL has the Cap to take him on and the organizational need if Price is gone
Whether you believe Primeau is ready or not for the NHL(i do) you know a Starter is needed.


If we can get paid to bring in a good goalie who went 5 years between his Vezina's i'd gamble on him as he could tighten up her and go on 1 more really good run. Then again probably not.
Nemeth Trade is the basis for Drouin's based on the premise of Nemeth for a 2nd and a 3rd done recently

Either way if we're being Paid for it , its still a win for us even at that cost if the price is right.
We can move him out later if need be but for the next 2-3 years we'll need him without Price

So the point of this post is to establish reasonably what FLA would give up for 10m cap longterm?
Free Agent Signings
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Dach, Kirby3$1,750,000
Primeau, Cayden2$950,000
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Steel, Sam2$1,950,000
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    1. Drouin, Jonathan
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    Nemeth cost for Capdump to ARZ
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    1. Bobrovsky, Sergei
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    How much does FLA value 10m cap free'd up?
    What are they willing to pay to move Bobo?
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      • Karl Alzner: $833,333
      • Mike Hoffman: $1,166,667
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      23$82,500,000$76,618,333$1,132,500$5,070,000$5,881,667
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      Slafkovsky, Juraj
      $950,000
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      Suzuki, Nick
      $7,875,000
      C
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      Caufield, Cole
      $880,833
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      $4,450,000
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      Steel, Sam
      $1,950,000
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      Gallagher, Brendan
      $6,500,000
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      Pezzetta, Michael
      $750,000
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      Evans, Jake
      $1,700,000
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      Matheson, Michael
      $4,875,000
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      Barron, Justin
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      Bobrovsky, Sergei
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      Edmundson, Joel
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      Jul. 19 at 1:22 p.m.
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      Alexa, what's a NMC?
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      Jul. 19 at 1:24 p.m.
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      Drouin isn't a cap dump, WTF
      Jul. 19 at 1:28 p.m.
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      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      Alexa, what's a NMC?


      You think he'll really stay ?
      I didnt see that coming

      With his burden of a Contract no matter how heavy they get within the given Cap
      They never make it deep into the playoffs despite Bobo doing his part

      You really think that hasnt worn on him?
      I mean Luongo left VAN in a fit for less
      Not the only Goalie either to get tired and move on

      I just thought now's the time
      They lost a lot of quality options that were working cheap
      They wont be able to add for a push again for a awhile after going all in last year
      Logically you'd figure anyone looking to win a cup would see the writing on the wall

      I know Price doesnt care about a cup unless he wins it with MTL, i dont get it but he keeps saying it
      I just never ever heard Bobo show that kind of loyality

      I figured jumping on board behind a top line like Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield might interest him
      Jul. 19 at 1:29 p.m.
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      Quoting: SMH
      Drouin isn't a cap dump, WTF


      Yes he is
      Less then Monahan and lucic in production
      They're both Cap Dumps

      Beyond that Pacioretty had 37pts in 39 games
      VGK had to give up a Prospect to give him a way
      He was clearly a cap dump despite being 5x the player Drouin will ever be

      Its Called a "Market" and you have to pay attention to it
      Jul. 19 at 1:35 p.m.
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      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      Alexa, what's a NMC?


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      Jul. 19 at 1:36 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billy739
      Yes he is
      Less then Monahan and lucic in production
      They're both Cap Dumps

      Beyond that Pacioretty had 37pts in 39 games
      VGK had to give up a Prospect to give him a way
      He was clearly a cap dump despite being 5x the player Drouin will ever be

      Its Called a "Market" and you have to pay attention to it


      There has to be a pressing need or long term commitment to justify it. Neither exists.
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      Jul. 19 at 1:36 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billy739
      Yes he is
      Less then Monahan and lucic in production
      They're both Cap Dumps

      Beyond that Pacioretty had 37pts in 39 games
      VGK had to give up a Prospect to give him a way
      He was clearly a cap dump despite being 5x the player Drouin will ever be

      Its Called a "Market" and you have to pay attention to it


      What are you talking about less production? Lucic 21 points in 82 games, Monahan 23 points in 65 games - DROUIN 20 POINTS IN 34 GAMES

      Yes they had more points then him but they also played over 30 games more and still only finished with a couple more points each. Drouin isn't valuable in this market but 50% retained at the deadline after being healthy all season and there will be a market for him
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      Jul. 19 at 1:40 p.m.
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      Last thing the Habs (or any team really) should ever do, is have a $10M goaltender under contract.
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      Jul. 19 at 1:43 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billy739
      You think he'll really stay ?
      I didnt see that coming

      With his burden of a Contract no matter how heavy they get within the given Cap
      They never make it deep into the playoffs despite Bobo doing his part

      You really think that hasnt worn on him?
      I mean Luongo left VAN in a fit for less
      Not the only Goalie either to get tired and move on

      I just thought now's the time
      They lost a lot of quality options that were working cheap
      They wont be able to add for a push again for a awhile after going all in last year
      Logically you'd figure anyone looking to win a cup would see the writing on the wall

      I know Price doesnt care about a cup unless he wins it with MTL, i dont get it but he keeps saying it
      I just never ever heard Bobo show that kind of loyality

      I figured jumping on board behind a top line like Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield might interest him


      Why would he go to the worst team in the nhl?
      Jul. 19 at 1:45 p.m.
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      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      Why would he go to the worst team in the nhl?


      Read the last line
      Its literally right there above your comment

      Which leads me to think you're just trolling with sarcastic answers and this is a waste of my time responding
      Jul. 19 at 1:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billy739
      Read the last line
      Its literally right there above your comment

      Which leads me to think you're just trolling with sarcastic answers and this is a waste of my time responding


      Your last line changes nothing about what I wrote
      Jul. 19 at 1:50 p.m.
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      Quoting: ricochetii
      Last thing the Habs (or any team really) should ever do, is have a $10M goaltender under contract.


      Agreed
      But depending on the Price , i might

      It just seems like a year where Cap is in extremely short supply
      Especially in FLA and Bobo's still a good goalie way better then we got currently
      We'd be paid to take him and that has value atleast for a few more years till he declines.

      Again if they're not putting up a kings ransome then F them
      Let FLA rebuild and its just 1 more team out of MTL's way

      But if they are willing to pay, wouldnt you be curious to see the price?
      Sadly i've gotten no FLA fans yet for Input
      Just a Troll in his mid 40s who likes bad sitcoms and a few habs fans

      Instead of getting Intelligent feedback i've largely got Fodder
      That said its what i expect on this forum 9/10
      Its also why when Trades happen i drag their noses in how wrong they are
      It never humbles them but it makes me smile so what the hell right lol
      Jul. 19 at 1:51 p.m.
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      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      Your last line changes nothing about what I wrote


      You asked a question
      That was the Answer

      Like it or Dont
      It doesnt change the Answer SMH
      American Public Education .... WOW
      Jul. 19 at 1:55 p.m.
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      Quoting: Subbanator7667
      What are you talking about less production? Lucic 21 points in 82 games, Monahan 23 points in 65 games - DROUIN 20 POINTS IN 34 GAMES

      Yes they had more points then him but they also played over 30 games more and still only finished with a couple more points each. Drouin isn't valuable in this market but 50% retained at the deadline after being healthy all season and there will be a market for him


      You're selling that being on IR most of the past few years is a selling point to a Playoff Team SMH

      Martin Havlat was really good when he wasnt injured
      Playoff teams always wanted him and would sign him no questions asked
      Come TDL no one was paying for an Injury prone winger.
      He's someone a team adds in the Summer as cheap as possible

      I mean its a hard sell telling me he has more value because he was injured again and they were healthy . . ..
      Jul. 19 at 2:04 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billy739
      You asked a question
      That was the Answer

      Like it or Dont
      It doesnt change the Answer SMH
      American Public Education .... WOW


      You called me a troll because I said Montreal was the worst team in the NHL, which they are, and you are acting like a child because you don't like it.

      There's my answer
      Jul. 19 at 2:20 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billy739
      Read the last line
      Its literally right there above your comment

      Which leads me to think you're just trolling with sarcastic answers and this is a waste of my time responding


      Can you imagine calling someone a troll after saying drouin is a cap dump on a rebuilding team and suggesting he should be dealt at the cost of a 2nd and a 4th, open your eyes buddy
      Jul. 19 at 2:25 p.m.
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      Quoting: SMH
      Can you imagine calling someone a troll after saying drouin is a cap dump on a rebuilding team and suggesting he should be dealt at the cost of a 2nd and a 4th, open your eyes buddy


      I used a current trade based in this market in this reality
      A player who is hurt less often and more consistent in his productivity over a longer period

      Pretty sure i stated that in context in the above Description . . .
      This isnt out of left field this is based on Context
      What's yours based on and can you site Examples in Context as well?

      Trolls offer nothing
      I offer logic for my statements
      Can you do the same ?
      Jul. 19 at 2:31 p.m.
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      Edited Jul. 19 at 2:36 p.m.
      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      You called me a troll because I said Montreal was the worst team in the NHL, which they are, and you are acting like a child because you don't like it.

      There's my answer

      I said you were a Troll before you made that comment about MTL being the worst(nice attempt at manipulation)
      What Intelligence have you offered to the Conversation?
      Trolls always try to Manipulate Context in hopes you forget they take away more then they contribute to Society

      Again, what Intelligent input did you bring to the table ?(this is where Jerry gets quiet and dissapears from my posts for a week)
      Jul. 19 at 3:50 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billy739
      I said you were a Troll before you made that comment about MTL being the worst(nice attempt at manipulation)
      What Intelligence have you offered to the Conversation?
      Trolls always try to Manipulate Context in hopes you forget they take away more then they contribute to Society

      Again, what Intelligent input did you bring to the table ?(this is where Jerry gets quiet and dissapears from my posts for a week)


      Hi. I find it hard to believe that Bobrovsky would waive his NMC to go from the team that won the Presidents trophy to one of the worst hockey teams I have ever seen. That is my contribution.
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      Jul. 19 at 4:01 p.m.
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      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      Hi. I find it hard to believe that Bobrovsky would waive his NMC to go from the team that won the Presidents trophy to one of the worst hockey teams I have ever seen. That is my contribution.


      *Time * 3 hours and 15 minutes after original post is all it took for it to happen
      Imagine if you started out Convesations offering something to it instead of just taking from it

      I cant say your wrong
      I can say this though , they wont be the team they were last year
      Like DAL going all in on Hazal they blew their wad in a make it or break it situation
      Now they're just trying to re-work their roster figuring out how to compete

      IF i thought FLA was going to be the same team this year then sure
      I thought for sure it was going to be a COL vs FLA final all last year they were more stacked then TBL
      But they're not that team right now

      Nor will they be again if Bobo Stays
      So based on that Premise does he stay the next few years because he was Presidents Trophy Winner in 2022 or
      does he move forward given the playoffs always end the same for him in FLA?
      Especially when he left CBJ after a similar playoff run over a couple years
      He came to FLA to a better team and has less playoff wins then when he was in CBJ

      Chances are living through it he'll consider that
      Jul. 19 at 4:12 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billy739
      *Time * 3 hours and 15 minutes after original post is all it took for it to happen
      Imagine if you started out Convesations offering something to it instead of just taking from it

      I cant say your wrong
      I can say this though , they wont be the team they were last year
      Like DAL going all in on Hazal they blew their wad in a make it or break it situation
      Now they're just trying to re-work their roster figuring out how to compete

      IF i thought FLA was going to be the same team this year then sure
      I thought for sure it was going to be a COL vs FLA final all last year they were more stacked then TBL
      But they're not that team right now

      Nor will they be again if Bobo Stays
      So based on that Premise does he stay the next few years because he was Presidents Trophy Winner in 2022 or
      does he move forward given the playoffs always end the same for him in FLA?
      Especially when he left CBJ after a similar playoff run over a couple years
      He came to FLA to a better team and has less playoff wins then when he was in CBJ

      Chances are living through it he'll consider that


      He was a UFA and they offered him 10 million a year with no state taxes. Being traded to Montreal might cost him 1 million a year alone in taxes
      Jul. 19 at 5:07 p.m.
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      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      He was a UFA and they offered him 10 million a year with no state taxes. Being traded to Montreal might cost him 1 million a year alone in taxes


      Thats valid
      Also the reason everyone uses ever for not coming to MTL
      Low and Behold people still sign here all the time

      I remember when Petry was a Free Agent
      Everyone said he'd never play in Canada for that reason
      His final 2 teams were TOR and MTL he chose between

      I hear it constantly
      Reality is non residents assume Quebec citizens pay equal Federal Tax
      They do not taking less to have more Freedom to say French First and F Billingualism that was being pushed on Quebec

      While its signifigantly cheaper to play in FLA
      In states that have both Federal and State Taxes with no exemption the difference is no where near as drastic
      That said FLA does this to every team but TBL really and the other 30 teams still find UFA's all the time

      I mean by your logic Callahan , Johnson or Mcdonugh never waive their NMC either
      They did and 2/3 went to really bad teams when they did it , like bottom of the league bad.
      Jul. 19 at 5:29 p.m.
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      Quoting: Billy739
      You're selling that being on IR most of the past few years is a selling point to a Playoff Team SMH

      Martin Havlat was really good when he wasnt injured
      Playoff teams always wanted him and would sign him no questions asked
      Come TDL no one was paying for an Injury prone winger.
      He's someone a team adds in the Summer as cheap as possible

      I mean its a hard sell telling me he has more value because he was injured again and they were healthy . . ..


      I didn't say any of that, you said he produced less then two players but he produced one less point in over 30 less games.

      He doesn't have value right now but as I said before IF he is healthy and playing like his normal self they retain 50% and he will have value.
      Jul. 19 at 5:30 p.m.
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      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      You called me a troll because I said Montreal was the worst team in the NHL, which they are, and you are acting like a child because you don't like it.

      There's my answer


      *Third worst team in the NHL.

      Arizona and Chicago will do whatever they can to usurp them
       
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