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Toronto trade

Created by: GeoZei
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 19, 2022
Published: Jul. 19, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Edmonton Oilers
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Just testing a trade I saw from a Toronto fan.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
McLeod, Ryan3$1,250,000
Yamamoto, Kailer4$3,000,000
Geekie, Morgan3$1,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Gagner, Sam3$1,000,000
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. Geekie, Morgan [RFA Rights]
SEA
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Foegele, Warren
2.
EDM
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
TOR
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
  • James Neal: $1,916,667
  • Andrej Sekera: $1,500,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$80,814,333$896,000$2,200,000$1,685,667
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
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McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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Kane, Evander
$5,125,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
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Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
LW, C
NTC
UFA - 1
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Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 7
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Hyman, Zach
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 6
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Holloway, Dylan
$925,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 2
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McLeod, Ryan
$1,250,000
C
RFA - 1
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Yamamoto, Kailer
$3,000,000
RW, C
RFA - 2
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Janmark, Mattias
$1,250,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Gagner, Sam
$1,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Geekie, Morgan
$1,250,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Nurse, Darnell
$9,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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Ceci, Cody
$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 3
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Campbell, Jack
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 5
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Kulak, Brett
$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
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Bouchard, Evan
$863,333
RD
RFA - 1
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Skinner, Stuart
$750,000
G
RFA - 1
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Broberg, Philip
$863,333
LD
RFA - 2
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Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Shore, Devin
$850,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
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Smith, Mike
$2,200,000
G
UFA - 1
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Ryan, Derek
$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1

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Jul. 19 at 11:50 p.m.
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Tbh if we could get him for around 6x$4M, I would take that without the 3rd. I think he would be perfect with Tavares
Jul. 19 at 11:52 p.m.
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Quoting: KMarner10
Tbh if we could get him for around 6x$4M, I would take that without the 3rd. I think he would be perfect with Tavares


That sounds better
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Jul. 19 at 11:53 p.m.
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Ceci , Holl and Barrie😍
Jul. 20 at 12:05 a.m.
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Quoting: GeoZei
That sounds better


The thing is I doubt Dubas makes a deal for a top-6 guy. If Keefe wants to keep playing Kampf as 3C, then that means Engvall and Jarnkrok are his linemates by default, pretty much locking up the top-9. Ideally, the 4th line is Engvall-Kampf-Aube-Kubel, letting the 3rd line be more of a scoring threat and creating another spot for a guy like Puljujärvi. However, then 3C is a bit sketchy, especially if they view Jarnkrok as a winger, which is fine, but he has shown he is a decent centre. We'll have to see I guess, but ideally we can get a lefty that can use his body and take draws decently well (Donato, Frederic, Eller with retention, etc.), but there aren't many options left.
Jul. 20 at 12:08 a.m.
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Quoting: KMarner10
The thing is I doubt Dubas makes a deal for a top-6 guy. If Keefe wants to keep playing Kampf as 3C, then that means Engvall and Jarnkrok are his linemates by default, pretty much locking up the top-9. Ideally, the 4th line is Engvall-Kampf-Aube-Kubel, letting the 3rd line be more of a scoring threat and creating another spot for a guy like Puljujärvi. However, then 3C is a bit sketchy, especially if they view Jarnkrok as a winger, which is fine, but he has shown he is a decent centre. We'll have to see I guess, but ideally we can get a lefty that can use his body and take draws decently well (Donato, Frederic, Eller with retention, etc.), but there aren't many options left.


I’m not sure it is a good idea from the Toronto side but I like it from the Edmonton side of things.
Jul. 20 at 12:13 a.m.
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Quoting: GeoZei
I’m not sure it is a good idea from the Toronto side but I like it from the Edmonton side of things.


Are you guys really that fixed on moving him? I feel like if he has the potential to be a solid 60-point two-way player.
Jul. 20 at 12:14 a.m.
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Are you guys really that fixed on moving him? I feel like if he has the potential to be a solid 60-point two-way player.


Personally I would rather see him stay but it’s seeming more likely we will trade him.
Jul. 20 at 12:17 a.m.
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This has got to be a joke.
Maybe add Muzzin into that oilers trade to so the leafs can get rid of all 3
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Jul. 20 at 12:21 a.m.
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This has got to be a joke.
Maybe add Muzzin into that oilers trade to so the leafs can get rid of all 3
Oilers strongly decline


You think a 36 point winger is worth more than a 50 point winger and a right shot d-man who had 21 points last year
Jul. 20 at 12:25 a.m.
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Quoting: KMarner10
The thing is I doubt Dubas makes a deal for a top-6 guy. If Keefe wants to keep playing Kampf as 3C, then that means Engvall and Jarnkrok are his linemates by default, pretty much locking up the top-9. Ideally, the 4th line is Engvall-Kampf-Aube-Kubel, letting the 3rd line be more of a scoring threat and creating another spot for a guy like Puljujärvi. However, then 3C is a bit sketchy, especially if they view Jarnkrok as a winger, which is fine, but he has shown he is a decent centre. We'll have to see I guess, but ideally we can get a lefty that can use his body and take draws decently well (Donato, Frederic, Eller with retention, etc.), but there aren't many options left.

I don’t get the obsession on 3rd vs 4th lines ; best case (like the Leafs & Oilers) top 2 lines carry the offense (some teams have better versions than others). 3rd and 4th are equal imo - one more defensive, hard to play against and one more offensive / energy but they both get the same # minutes, so Kampf line more defensive and Gaudette (other?) line more energy
Jul. 20 at 12:29 a.m.
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You think a 36 point winger is worth more than a 50 point winger and a right shot d-man who had 21 points last year


JP was hurt the whole 2nd half of last year. Do you need me to post his analytics for you?
And Holl is an AHL d-man that takes up cap space..
You should keep Kerfoot if he is that good. In fact all you leafs fans should stop trying to dump him and the other 2 players.
Oilers have what 60K in cap space and nobody wants Foggle.
Jul. 20 at 12:36 a.m.
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Quoting: Copenhagen
JP was hurt the whole 2nd half of last year. Do you need me to post his analytics for you?
And Holl is an AHL d-man that takes up cap space..
You should keep Kerfoot if he is that good. In fact all you leafs fans should stop trying to dump him and the other 2 players.
Oilers have what 60K in cap space and nobody wants Foggle.


I’m an oilers fan who is just trying to figure out if something could work for a bit of fun it isn’t like I am secretly Ken Holland planning my next moves on here. The honest truth if you had read my comments above I don’t want to get rid of him yet that’s what seems is going to happen and I want to see what is out there.
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Personally I would rather see him stay but it’s seeming more likely we will trade him.
Jul. 20 at 12:36 a.m.
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I don’t get the obsession on 3rd vs 4th lines ; best case (like the Leafs & Oilers) top 2 lines carry the offense (some teams have better versions than others). 3rd and 4th are equal imo - one more defensive, hard to play against and one more offensive / energy but they both get the same # minutes, so Kampf line more defensive and Gaudette (other?) line more energy


Keefe normally plays the 4th line under 10 minutes, with the 3rd being around 12-13, depending on the situations. Obviously, Kampf is going to be playing the bulk of the PK and shutdown minutes, but he is not the guy you want starting on their side of the red line. Engvall-Kampf-Kube is the perfect 4th line because while they are great in their own end, they will run the opponents crazy in their's, and they will get not-so-pretty "playoff style" goals because of it. Also, if the 3rd line is more of a scoring threat, then we won't have to rely on the top-6 to do all of the scoring, which is what has been the downfall of the Leafs in the playoffs the past few years. Even this year, the only goals from the bottom-6 off the top of my head were from Kampf (2), Mikheyev (2 EN), and Spezza (1).

Not to mention when EDM was relying only on their top guys this year, they sucked and Tippett got fired.
Jul. 20 at 12:49 a.m.
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Quoting: Copenhagen
JP was hurt the whole 2nd half of last year. Do you need me to post his analytics for you?
And Holl is an AHL d-man that takes up cap space..
You should keep Kerfoot if he is that good. In fact all you leafs fans should stop trying to dump him and the other 2 players.
Oilers have what 60K in cap space and nobody wants Foggle.


They aren't being "dumped" because they are bad, they are because they don't really have a place on the team anymore. EDM has more money to spend across their team than TOR because they have better contracts than the Leafs.

Muzzin's $5.6M won't do well, especially when we have Sandin ready to take his spot. Holl doesn't really have chemistry with this team anymore, but he would still be decent in bottom-4 shutdown minutes. You guys already have Nurse and Bouchard, so you don't need Barrie anymore, especially when he doesn't provide anything defensively. Holl is cheap, and with what RHD have been going for (Jones, Gudbranson, etc.), this great value. Also, Kerfoot isn't being shopped around because he is bad, he is because he is making a bit too much against the cap and we can find similar production elsewhere (Puljujärvi). While Kerfoot may not have much of a shot, he is coming off of a career year where he had 50 points, played both centre and the wing, and was a VERY good asset on one of the league's top penalty kill units. He will be a great fit with EDM in a top-9 role, and he makes everyone he plays with better.
Jul. 20 at 12:57 a.m.
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They aren't being "dumped" because they are bad, they are because they don't really have a place on the team anymore. EDM has more money to spend across their team than TOR because they have better contracts than the Leafs.

Muzzin's $5.6M won't do well, especially when we have Sandin ready to take his spot. Holl doesn't really have chemistry with this team anymore, but he would still be decent in bottom-4 shutdown minutes. You guys already have Nurse and Bouchard, so you don't need Barrie anymore, especially when he doesn't provide anything defensively. Holl is cheap, and with what RHD have been going for (Jones, Gudbranson, etc.), this great value. Also, Kerfoot isn't being shopped around because he is bad, he is because he is making a bit too much against the cap and we can find similar production elsewhere (Puljujärvi). While Kerfoot may not have much of a shot, he is coming off of a career year where he had 50 points, played both centre and the wing, and was a VERY good asset on one of the league's top penalty kill units. He will be a great fit with EDM in a top-9 role, and he makes everyone he plays with better.


So Oilers should get Holl and be in the same situation as Sandin with Broberg. Makes sense. Holl is terrible anyway and should be in the AHL like I said.
Edmonton has 60k free space, so not sure where all this money is coming from?

Here are JP's numbers. Why would Oilers want to get rid of him unless he wants to go?
Sorry you are all about the points and not analytics.

Puljujärvi stats

Here are some more of his underlying numbers, and how they rank among the aforementioned 171 players:

CF/60 – 1st
CA/60 – 29th
SCF/60 – 23rd
SCA/60 – 128th
GF/60 – 55th
GA/60 – 9th
xGF/60 – 5th
xGA/60 – 69th
OR
https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1524477349240004610?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1524477349240004610%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Funmvnc%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse
OR
https://www.facebook.com/OilersNation/photos/a.1290639507657089/5152399664814368

I hope you see why we want to keep him and not give him away for a UFA in 1 (ONE) year???
Terrible trade.
Jul. 20 at 1:09 a.m.
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So Oilers should get Holl and be in the same situation as Sandin with Broberg. Makes sense. Holl is terrible anyway and should be in the AHL like I said.
Edmonton has 60k free space, so not sure where all this money is coming from?

Here are JP's numbers. Why would Oilers want to get rid of him unless he wants to go?
Sorry you are all about the points and not analytics.

Puljujärvi stats

Here are some more of his underlying numbers, and how they rank among the aforementioned 171 players:

CF/60 – 1st
CA/60 – 29th
SCF/60 – 23rd
SCA/60 – 128th
GF/60 – 55th
GA/60 – 9th
xGF/60 – 5th
xGA/60 – 69th
OR
https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1524477349240004610?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1524477349240004610%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Funmvnc%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse
OR
https://www.facebook.com/OilersNation/photos/a.1290639507657089/5152399664814368

I hope you see why we want to keep him and not give him away for a UFA in 1 (ONE) year???
Terrible trade.


I feel like it's very obvious that EDM has been trying to move Puljujärvi, and he wants out. I haven't really paid TOO much attention to EDM and their games, but it seems like fans are 50/50 on him being moved, and the team itself has already sort of moved on. It believe I have also seen that EDM is disappointed in the lack of interest for Puljujärvi, so it's not like the price will be astronomically high.

And again, Holl isn't an AHL defenseman, he improved towards the end of the year and was actually pretty damn good in the playoffs, it just seems that Leafs fans (somewhatmmyself included) have moved on. Even the past 2 years before this one, he was pretty good as a shutdown guy with Muzzin, who could also take some credit for how bad Holl looked this year.

I actually agree with your stance on not trading him, but I think if he were, this would be a decent starting point at the very least.
 
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