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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #9 - The Demise (Revival?) of Calgary

Jul. 21, 2022 at 6:53 p.m.
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With all these recent ACGMs involving Calgary, Penguins fans have slipped into the top 5 worst fanbases, right behind the Wild, Red Wings, Leafs, and Habs. They really think that being one of the 5 best prospects in the Penguins pipeline means anything lmao, their only prospect worth a 1st round pick is the guy they just selected in the 1st round, not that he’s ever included in a trade of course.
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 7:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
With all these recent ACGMs involving Calgary, Penguins fans have slipped into the top 5 worst fanbases, right behind the Wild, Red Wings, Leafs, and Habs. They really think that being one of the 5 best prospects in the Penguins pipeline means anything lmao, their only prospect worth a 1st round pick is the guy they just selected in the 1st round, not that he’s ever included in a trade of course.


100% agree with you, some of them think Marino is worth more than Hintz, some think they know your own team better than you, and some think they’re smarter than you while being extremely nut headed.

And they probably have the worst prospect pool out there.
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 7:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
With all these recent ACGMs involving Calgary, Penguins fans have slipped into the top 5 worst fanbases, right behind the Wild, Red Wings, Leafs, and Habs. They really think that being one of the 5 best prospects in the Penguins pipeline means anything lmao, their only prospect worth a 1st round pick is the guy they just selected in the 1st round, not that he’s ever included in a trade of course.


Are you telling me Zucker, Poulin, and a first is not enough for Tkachuk?

I still think top 3 is Leafs, Habs, Rangers

Leafs: I’ll trade you Kerfoot Holl and Muzzin for your good players

Habs: Anderson for 2OA take it or leave it

Rangers: Sorry but our seventh round pick from 3 years ago is a stud and is untouchable. Easy PASS from the Rangers
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 7:09 p.m.
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Are you telling me Zucker, Poulin, and a first is not enough for Tkachuk?

I still think top 3 is Leafs, Habs, Rangers

Leafs: I’ll trade you Kerfoot Holl and Muzzin for your good players

Habs: Anderson for 2OA take it or leave it

Rangers: Sorry but our seventh round pick from 3 years ago is a stud and is untouchable. Easy PASS from the Rangers

Rangers are definitely up there. But it’s just the thought that “oh he’s worth a 1st + good prospect + young roster player? Yeah we’ll offer poulin+kapanen” and they think that’s not just a competitive offer but one of the better ones lmao, and then yeah having the nerve to call zucker not a cap dump like come on

Leafs and Habs ACGMs I barely bother clicking on anymore. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a reasonable one. I’ve blocked almost every Wild fan at this point 💀💀
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 7:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
Rangers are definitely up there. But it’s just the thought that “oh he’s worth a 1st + good prospect + young roster player? Yeah we’ll offer poulin+kapanen” and they think that’s not just a competitive offer but one of the better ones lmao, and then yeah having the nerve to call zucker not a cap dump like come on

Leafs and Habs ACGMs I barely bother clicking on anymore. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a reasonable one. I’ve blocked almost every Wild fan at this point 💀💀


Rangers fans don’t make bad ACGMs, they just get angry at everyone else. Make a Braden Schneider trade? Well you’ve been banished to the shadow realm. Tell them their prospects aren’t as good as they think they are? Welp you’ve been banished to the shadow realm. Personally I have seen many Wild fans and almost forgot they existed. They don’t seek too bad. As for Leafs and Habs, I still click because seeing the insanity people come up with is great fun sometimes.
Jul. 21, 2022 at 7:37 p.m.
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Anybody else realize that Connor Geekie is right shot in NHL 22?
Jul. 21, 2022 at 7:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
Are you telling me Zucker, Poulin, and a first is not enough for Tkachuk?

I still think top 3 is Leafs, Habs, Rangers

Leafs: I’ll trade you Kerfoot Holl and Muzzin for your good players

Habs: Anderson for 2OA take it or leave it

Rangers: Sorry but our seventh round pick from 3 years ago is a stud and is untouchable. Easy PASS from the Rangers



Gotta include the Vancouver fans on he list with the numerous Miller trades made in the past six months. Usually no appreiciation of other teams cap.
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 7:51 p.m.
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Gotta include the Vancouver fans on he list with the numerous Miller trades made in the past six months. Usually no appreiciation of other teams cap.


Again, are you telling me Miller won’t fetch 3 firsts, your top prospect, and a top 4 RHD in the same package? Preposterous!
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 7:56 p.m.
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Again, are you telling me Miller won’t fetch 3 firsts, your top prospect, and a top 4 RHD in the same package? Preposterous!


Some of the Dickinson and Myers trades have been pretty bad too.
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 7:57 p.m.
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Quoting: kdawg32086
Some of the Dickinson and Myers trades have been pretty bad too.


I haven’t seen any Dickinson trades. Rarely any Myers trades too.
Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:01 p.m.
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Again, are you telling me Miller won’t fetch 3 firsts, your top prospect, and a top 4 RHD in the same package? Preposterous!


In his past two injury season Max Pacioretty had 85 points in 87 games.....and his was given away because of 7m X 1 year contract. My opinion about Miller, teams are giving up "a lot" based on his one great season (last season). We'll see how if 100 point guy or a his usual 70 point guy this season. Either way, I think he will trading at TDL..so his cap won't hurt his new team, and teams will have a better idea of his worth.
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:02 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
In his past two injury season Max Pacioretty had 85 points in 87 games.....and his was given away because of 7m X 1 year contract. My opinion about Miller, teams are giving up "a lot" based on his one great season (last season). We'll see how if 100 point guy or a his usual 70 point guy this season. Either way, I think he will trading at TDL..so his cap won't hurt his new team, and teams will have a better idea of his worth.


Vegas also traded a Vezina winner for nothing. Kinda hope Miller gets traded now because last season is likely his peak performance. I still think he can get around 85 points
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:07 p.m.
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Rangers fans don’t make bad ACGMs, they just get angry at everyone else. Make a Braden Schneider trade? Well you’ve been banished to the shadow realm. Tell them their prospects aren’t as good as they think they are? Welp you’ve been banished to the shadow realm. Personally I have seen many Wild fans and almost forgot they existed. They don’t seek too bad. As for Leafs and Habs, I still click because seeing the insanity people come up with is great fun sometimes.

Wild fans just have an inexplicable love for Bill Guerin. Like at least with Red Wings fans it’s super annoying but Yzerman is actually a good GM. I don’t think Guerin is that great tbh. Drafting is good, but he lost Fiala for futures off of a team that should be trying to compete, ruined their cap flexibility for years, and imo downgraded their goaltending (I think relying on a duo of an aging, regressing Fleury and unproven yet also regressing Gustavsson isn’t that intelligent personally). Like you want to give the Wild a top 6 centre? It better be for a 3rd round pick where you pay another team for the 75% retention because Guerin is super smart. Or Guerin wouldn’t be interested at all, Frederick Gaudreau is super good.
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
I haven’t seen any Dickinson trades. Rarely any Myers trades too.


I think the Myers trades to Dallas have mostly quieted down now, but for a good chunk of the year, there were a lot of Dickinson to Dallas for a 4th and Myers to Dallas for a 2nd trades.
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
I haven’t seen any Dickinson trades. Rarely any Myers trades too.


I usually see Dickinson get bought out but I think people forget the deadline for that passed
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:21 p.m.
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I don’t believe this will be a take that will age well

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He is a stud IMO


someone want to explain 'entry success' to me.
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:24 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
someone want to explain 'entry success' to me.


Yea, I'd like to know, but I'd also assume entry that turns into goal?
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:25 p.m.
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Yea, I'd like to know, but I'd also assume entry that turns into goal?


weird that he could be among the best in the league at entries but among the worst in the league at having them lead to goals/chances. maybe im just not understanding this right.
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:26 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
someone want to explain 'entry success' to me.

Here’s jfresh’s explanation of the XL player cards
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:27 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
someone want to explain 'entry success' to me.


Gaining the offensive zone with the puck and not losing it
Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:28 p.m.
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Entry Success: A player’s rate of success when attempting to enter the offensive zone. On average, a forward will be able to enter the zone in some fashion on 88% of his attempts. Players who are more ambitious with their entries (e.g. trying to go one-on-one instead of dumping it in) might succeed less often.
Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:29 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
someone want to explain 'entry success' to me.


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Yea, I'd like to know, but I'd also assume entry that turns into goal?


It’s just the players rate of success when trying to enter the zone. I’m not sure why it’s so low for Hughes.
Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:29 p.m.
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Yea, I'd like to know, but I'd also assume entry that turns into goal?

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weird that he could be among the best in the league at entries but among the worst in the league at having them lead to goals/chances. maybe im just not understanding this right.

See above for the technical description, but I think the way to interpret it is that Hughes likely tries to enter the zone with possession more often than dumping it in and forechecking (since he’s highly skilled and highly skilled players like the puck on their sticks, plus he’s not exactly a huge physical presence) and just isn’t as successful at that yet as he likely will become (like Gaudreau has no problem dangling into the zone, and I anticipate that due to his speed and skill, Hughes will reach a similar level).
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:31 p.m.
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I’m still surprised Nino only got 4 mill x 2.

These teams should have had no problem giving him 4.25-4.5 mill x 3-4 years: Carolina, Toronto ,isles , Sharks, Devils
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Jul. 21, 2022 at 8:33 p.m.
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I’m still surprised Nino only got 4 mill x 2.

These teams should have had no problem giving him 4.25-4.5 mill x 3-4 years: Carolina, Toronto ,isles , Sharks, Devils

He’s literally Darryl Sutter’s dream player lol
 
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