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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #9 - The Demise (Revival?) of Calgary

Jul. 26, 2022 at 7:20 p.m.
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It's really tight with FLA but I don't think they HAVE TO move Horny. They need to do some moves that's for sure but should they acquire a D-man then they need to include him, cuz they can't add any cap.

CBJ was in the situation what you described and they had to make a choice between bad and worse options, and they chose to deal Bjorkstrand cuz they didn't want to lose any futures. FLA is not in this situation yet.

I mean, they kind of are? They’re non-compliant right now, and the only way for them to get technically compliant is to run a 20-man roster (with Duke on LTIR), which would leave them shorthanded in the case of (inevitable) future injuries. Swapping Hornqvist for Zaitsev gives them another D (admittedly not a good one, but probably better than throwing one of their young guys to the wolves would be). I don’t see how they have the assets to upgrade their D tbh. Like there’s no shot they get Chychrun when all they have is Samoskevich and what, a conditional 2026 1st? That’s not gonna cut it, especially because Hornqvist would also have to be included in that trade. The best they could hope for is like a Verhaeghe for Mike Reilly swap maybe, to save 1.4mil and move money from up front to the blueline? But then that really weakens their forward core even further, especially because of the Duke injury. They’ve been able to turn reclamation projects into useful players before, but that was with Barkov and Huberdeau on separate lines carrying them. Tkachuk’s more than capable of driving a line, but he hasn’t shown the ability to elevate mediocre players to good (he just facilitates good players into great). Like he was successful even with Backlund because Backlund on his own is good and Tkachuk made him better, but they were successful in spite of whoever was on their RW (Frolik, Dube, several random guys in the AHL or Europe now, etc.). So I’m not sure that a swap like Verhaeghe for Reilly (or a similar cap-shedding trade, that’s just one that sprang to mind as an example) is really worth it. Their top 4 D are Ekblad, Forsling, Montour, and Gudas. That might have to work, and they just ride them hard, because right now their 3rd pair is Marc Staal and Lucas Carlsson. They have 5 great forwards (Barkov, Tkachuk, Lundell, Reinhart, Verhaeghe) and then Bennett, who’s a question mark without Huberdeau and Duclair (by far his two most common linemates last year). And then a bunch more projects. Like are Balcers, White, and Cousins capable of forming a 3rd line? Probably but I wouldn’t expect a lot out of them. Even bumping Bennett down to 3C between two of those and assuming he stays good means now you’re plugging one of them into the top 6 and I’m not that high on any of them. Their forward group really took a hit with Marchment and Giroux walking, plus the Duke injury. Not a great situation for them to be in at all, capped out with no futures and holes to fill in their depth.
Jul. 26, 2022 at 7:24 p.m.
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Based on the Toews not wanting to play on Chicago's rebuilding team

Prediction Toews is gonna end up on the Jets.

Chicago will retain 50% and Wpg will send assets

Toews plays out his final year with his home team and Chicago gets assets

And then next year he signs a 1 year deal with Tampa wink

Winnipeg shouldn’t be buying lol, although it would be a nice change for Hellebuyck to have a single forward that knows what the defensive zone is.
Jul. 26, 2022 at 7:24 p.m.
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Winnipeg shouldn’t be buying lol, although it would be a nice change for Hellebuyck to have a single forward that knows what the defensive zone is.


I feel Toews wont get a huge return considering his play last season, age, and contract. Like I wouldnt be surprised if Davidson undervalues him and once again gets an L in the trade talks

Like if anything probs gonna see Toews (50%) for 2023 3rd and Harkins or something
Jul. 26, 2022 at 7:25 p.m.
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Shoutout to Sutter for opening up. Long COVID is no joke.
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Jul. 26, 2022 at 7:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
I mean, they kind of are? They’re non-compliant right now, and the only way for them to get technically compliant is to run a 20-man roster (with Duke on LTIR), which would leave them shorthanded in the case of (inevitable) future injuries. Swapping Hornqvist for Zaitsev gives them another D (admittedly not a good one, but probably better than throwing one of their young guys to the wolves would be). I don’t see how they have the assets to upgrade their D tbh. Like there’s no shot they get Chychrun when all they have is Samoskevich and what, a conditional 2026 1st? That’s not gonna cut it, especially because Hornqvist would also have to be included in that trade. The best they could hope for is like a Verhaeghe for Mike Reilly swap maybe, to save 1.4mil and move money from up front to the blueline? But then that really weakens their forward core even further, especially because of the Duke injury. They’ve been able to turn reclamation projects into useful players before, but that was with Barkov and Huberdeau on separate lines carrying them. Tkachuk’s more than capable of driving a line, but he hasn’t shown the ability to elevate mediocre players to good (he just facilitates good players into great). Like he was successful even with Backlund because Backlund on his own is good and Tkachuk made him better, but they were successful in spite of whoever was on their RW (Frolik, Dube, several random guys in the AHL or Europe now, etc.). So I’m not sure that a swap like Verhaeghe for Reilly (or a similar cap-shedding trade, that’s just one that sprang to mind as an example) is really worth it. Their top 4 D are Ekblad, Forsling, Montour, and Gudas. That might have to work, and they just ride them hard, because right now their 3rd pair is Marc Staal and Lucas Carlsson. They have 5 great forwards (Barkov, Tkachuk, Lundell, Reinhart, Verhaeghe) and then Bennett, who’s a question mark without Huberdeau and Duclair (by far his two most common linemates last year). And then a bunch more projects. Like are Balcers, White, and Cousins capable of forming a 3rd line? Probably but I wouldn’t expect a lot out of them. Even bumping Bennett down to 3C between two of those and assuming he stays good means now you’re plugging one of them into the top 6 and I’m not that high on any of them. Their forward group really took a hit with Marchment and Giroux walking, plus the Duke injury. Not a great situation for them to be in at all, capped out with no futures and holes to fill in their depth.


They're over by 300k or so at this very moment if you subtract Duclair from their current total. This kind of miniscule difference could be sorted simply by swapping Montour for Mike Reilly or something to that effect.

I don't think there's any defense in a Zaitsev for Horny trade. It's just a blatantly biased trade in Ottawa's favor.
Jul. 26, 2022 at 8:00 p.m.
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Kind of think lou underpaid after seeing this clip



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Jul. 26, 2022 at 8:03 p.m.
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They're over by 300k or so at this very moment if you subtract Duclair from their current total. This kind of miniscule difference could be sorted simply by swapping Montour for Mike Reilly or something to that effect.

I don't think there's any defense in a Zaitsev for Horny trade. It's just a blatantly biased trade in Ottawa's favor.

That’s downgrading their defense in that scenario though. Zaitsev sucks but he’s better than Calle Sjalin or Lucas Carlsson. That kind of cap dump swap is the only way they keep their current top 4 D and top 6 F intact.
Jul. 26, 2022 at 8:03 p.m.
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Kind of think lou underpaid after seeing this clip





You’ve got 8 year olds doing crazier stuff than this at practice
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Jul. 26, 2022 at 8:22 p.m.
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That’s downgrading their defense in that scenario though. Zaitsev sucks but he’s better than Calle Sjalin or Lucas Carlsson. That kind of cap dump swap is the only way they keep their current top 4 D and top 6 F intact.


Depends. If they actually keep Horny there's no telling if they'd actually use him in a top-6 role. Plus I think they should tackle their top4 D, it's far from good enough.
Jul. 26, 2022 at 8:26 p.m.
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That’s downgrading their defense in that scenario though. Zaitsev sucks but he’s better than Calle Sjalin or Lucas Carlsson. That kind of cap dump swap is the only way they keep their current top 4 D and top 6 F intact.


I would rather take the chance on an 800k Carlson (who has been pretty good, but MIGHT suck next season) over Zaitsev at 4.5 mill who will definitely suck
Jul. 26, 2022 at 9:07 p.m.
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Depends. If they actually keep Horny there's no telling if they'd actually use him in a top-6 role. Plus I think they should tackle their top4 D, it's far from good enough.

With what assets? They have no 1sts, one good prospect, and negative cap space. They’re not in a position to upgrade anything without downgrading somewhere else, likely in a losing trade because there isn’t a team in the NHL with less leverage right now except like, maybe the Leafs lol. I agree that they could use a better top 4 D, but they’re not gonna get one without sacrificing a forward, and they’ve already lost 3 of last year’s top 9 and replaced them with reclamation projects.
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I would rather take the chance on an 800k Carlson (who has been pretty good, but MIGHT suck next season) over Zaitsev at 4.5 mill who will definitely suck

Yeah but to do that you’re running a 20-man roster. Which means you’re likely playing undermanned a few times this year. Swapping Zaitsev for Hornqvist lets them run a 21-man roster, which isn’t great, but it’s better than nothing. Ottawa might even be willing to retain like 700k to allow them to run a 22-man roster.

Also they’re f*cked regardless when Duke comes back. So.
Jul. 26, 2022 at 10:06 p.m.
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With what assets? They have no 1sts, one good prospect, and negative cap space. They’re not in a position to upgrade anything without downgrading somewhere else, likely in a losing trade because there isn’t a team in the NHL with less leverage right now except like, maybe the Leafs lol. I agree that they could use a better top 4 D, but they’re not gonna get one without sacrificing a forward, and they’ve already lost 3 of last year’s top 9 and replaced them with reclamation projects.

Yeah but to do that you’re running a 20-man roster. Which means you’re likely playing undermanned a few times this year. Swapping Zaitsev for Hornqvist lets them run a 21-man roster, which isn’t great, but it’s better than nothing. Ottawa might even be willing to retain like 700k to allow them to run a 22-man roster.

Also they’re f*cked regardless when Duke comes back. So.


If I had to take a punt, it'll be a cheap-ish forward for some cheaper-ish D. Luostarinen+some prospect for Liljegren or something of the sort.

Duclair won't be back until 2023 or so, so they have plenty of time to clear space for him. We'll see how the market looks like back then.
Jul. 26, 2022 at 10:17 p.m.
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Jul. 26, 2022 at 10:18 p.m.
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I feel Horn has every Canadian team on his M-NTC and wont waive

Hes still pissed about the Penguins move

I wonder if Florida will trade for someone who has arb (Appleton) so that they can then get a window to buy him out
Jul. 26, 2022 at 10:19 p.m.
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I feel Horn has every Canadian team on his M-NTC and wont waive

Hes still pissed about the Penguins move


Well they could also do a similar kind of move with ARI and Andrew Ladd

Jonathan Bernier also comes to mind, but they'd probably have to give them back a bit better asset given Bernier might be on LTIR.
Jul. 26, 2022 at 10:22 p.m.
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Well they could also do a similar kind of move with ARI and Andrew Ladd


True but man thats another team probs on that M-NTC

i.e. All 7 Canadian teams + Arizona

Bernier for Hornqvist would be interesting
Jul. 26, 2022 at 10:26 p.m.
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True but man thats another team probs on that M-NTC

i.e. All 7 Canadian teams + Arizona

Bernier for Hornqvist would be interesting


Nah I don't think that's the case but we'll see.
Jul. 26, 2022 at 10:27 p.m.
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I'm kinda disappointed that this wasn't Suter and a draft pick for Hornqvist.
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Jul. 26, 2022 at 10:31 p.m.
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I'm kinda disappointed that this wasn't Suter and a draft pick for Hornqvist.


That's no better than Zaitsev for Hörnqvist
Jul. 26, 2022 at 10:49 p.m.
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Jul. 26, 2022 at 10:51 p.m.
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Honestly Colorado should look at Rodrigues to be the 2c as look how well he did in the role before Pitt got healthy

As for Chycrun + Crouse to Wpg I cant see it as knowing Arizona probs gonna want Perfetti as the main piece
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Jul. 26, 2022 at 11:22 p.m.
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Honestly Colorado should look at Rodrigues to be the 2c as look how well he did in the role before Pitt got healthy

As for Chycrun + Crouse to Wpg I cant see it as knowing Arizona probs gonna want Perfetti as the main piece


Arizona should ask for perfetti and Heinola straight up for Chychrun and crouse.

Future lineup

Keller-Cooley-Mitchkov
?- Perfetti- Guenther
?- Geekie- ?
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Jul. 26, 2022 at 11:32 p.m.
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Arizona should ask for perfetti and Heinola straight up for Chychrun and crouse.

Future lineup

Keller-Cooley-Mitchkov
?- Perfetti- Guenther
?- Geekie- ?

Nah Keller’s 24. Ask the Blackhawks, that’s too old for a rebuild. He’s getting traded for picks 16 and 48 next draft
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Jul. 26, 2022 at 11:41 p.m.
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Nah Keller’s 24. Ask the Blackhawks, that’s too old for a rebuild. He’s getting traded for picks 16 and 48 next draft


even with debrincat the Blackhawks are going to be the worst team in the league next season.

Debrincat-Bedard-Reichel and the rebuild is almost done.
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Jul. 26, 2022 at 11:45 p.m.
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Wonder with Virtanen being proven innocent does an NHL team take a chance or is he just done and a KHL guy for life
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