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Chucky and Chycky

Created by: tetrablues33
Team: 2022-23 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 22, 2022
Published: Jul. 22, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Tkachuk trade - Calgary gets a bona fide middle six player signed at a reasonable term, a blue chip prospect in Neighbours who is from Calgary, two mid-tier prospects in Alexandrov and Zherenko plus a later first in a very deep draft as well as a second in 2024.

There's enough 1 year contracts to leave room for ROR and Kyrou next year, though we still may have to move Saad.

Krug almost certainly doesn't waive for Ottawa, but he could for another team who needs D, will be semi-competitive and has the cap.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$900,000
8$9,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,500,000
1$3,150,000
Trades
1.
STL
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (NYI)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (NYI)
  3. 2025 4th round pick (NYI)
2.
STL
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew [RFA Rights]
CGY
  1. Alexandrov, Nikita
  2. Barbashev, Ivan
  3. Neighbours, Jake
  4. Zherenko, Vadim
  5. 2023 1st round pick (STL)
  6. 2024 2nd round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
Barbashev resigns 5 years at 4.35MAAV
3.
STL
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
  2. 2024 4th round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Krug, Torey ($500,000 retained)
4.
ARI
  1. Dickinson, Tanner
  2. Kostin, Klim
  3. Perunovich, Scott
  4. Scandella, Marco
  5. 2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
  6. 2024 1st round pick (STL)
  7. 2024 5th round pick (STL)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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Logo of the NYI
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$82,500,000$76,475,000$1,100,000$250,000$6,025,000
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
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$2,800,000$2,800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$9,750,000$9,750,000
RW
UFA - 8
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
LW, RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,875,000$1,875,000
C
UFA - 1
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$2,800,000$2,800,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
$2,500,000$2,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$3,150,000$3,150,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$750,000$750,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 5
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 5
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$1,250,000$1,250,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000$250K)
G
UFA - 1
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$1,900,000$1,900,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$762,500$762,500 ($0$0$0$0)
LD
UFA - 2

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Jul. 22, 2022 at 1:17 p.m.
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Deal deal deal
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Jul. 22, 2022 at 1:27 p.m.
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I don't see why STL would retain on Krug. I think these deals are mostly fair but there's no way Kessel costs that much IMO.
Jul. 22, 2022 at 1:35 p.m.
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Hmm. You are a a very optimistic sort, it seems. However, wanting to sign Hot Dog Phil is a commit-able offense. That is NEVER happening. Nor should it. EWW.
Jul. 22, 2022 at 1:56 p.m.
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Quoting: stephane_robidas
I don't see why STL would retain on Krug. I think these deals are mostly fair but there's no way Kessel costs that much IMO.


Yea i think Vt get slightly more and krug wont be retained
Jul. 22, 2022 at 2:34 p.m.
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Hmm. You are a a very optimistic sort, it seems. However, wanting to sign Hot Dog Phil is a commit-able offense. That is NEVER happening. Nor should it. EWW.


Care to elaborate? Also Hotdog Phil is still a fantastic tertiary scoring threat. I had cap space after the trades so why not spend it on a proven scoring vet at only 1 year?

And yes, the trades are semi-optimistic though value-wise they are approximate.
Jul. 22, 2022 at 3:32 p.m.
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Care to elaborate? Also Hotdog Phil is still a fantastic tertiary scoring threat. I had cap space after the trades so why not spend it on a proven scoring vet at only 1 year?

And yes, the trades are semi-optimistic though value-wise they are approximate.


The absolute last thing the Blues could possibly need, even before the possible addition of Matty, is a scoring winger. No... the LAST thing they need is a fading scoring winger who needs PP1 time (not bloody likely) and top 6 linemates (nooooope) to even provide an okay amount of emmmmmpty calorie points while doing next to nothing else to help the team implement their system, one he has no business being anywhere near. And last season, that fat loaf managed all of eight goals in 82 games. Berube would death stare a hole in him by the end of the first practice. He ain't gettin' no PP1 time. He ain't gonna skate with Thomas or DadROR.

Forget the obvious preference to save it for emergency injury crisis use or, ya know, an upgrade in an area where we actually need one. Forget all that stuff. It would still be a better use of that money to take it and burn it on a scorching hot day for no reason at all.

As for the trades, most teams will prefer some measure of quality over wanton quantity when letting go of their best player.
Jul. 22, 2022 at 3:42 p.m.
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1. Blues can't afford to keep Kyrou next year if they have Thomas AND Tkachuk; may as well get value for him, and he is obviously the best piece the Blues can offer for MT.
2. Getting a 1st back from NYI is the only way you can field a competitive offer for both MT & JC.
3. Neither Stastny nor Kessel are an upgrade on anything the Blues have for the roles they would be needed. No thanks on both.
4. You have 21 players on your roster with only 400k in remaining space.
5. Perunovich has a lot of potential, but right now he's just a guy. You're not going to get Chychrun by overwhelming ARI with a bunch of junk. A quality player would need to go the other way. You're offering prospects and a cap dump with a handful of picks. ARI will pass, for sure.
Jul. 22, 2022 at 4:21 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
The absolute last thing the Blues could possibly need, even before the possible addition of Matty, is a scoring winger. No... the LAST thing they need is a fading scoring winger who needs PP1 time (not bloody likely) and top 6 linemates (nooooope) to even provide an okay amount of emmmmmpty calorie points while doing next to nothing else to help the team implement their system, one he has no business being anywhere near. And last season, that fat loaf managed all of eight goals in 82 games. Berube would death stare a hole in him by the end of the first practice. He ain't gettin' no PP1 time. He ain't gonna skate with Thomas or DadROR.

Forget the obvious preference to save it for emergency injury crisis use or, ya know, an upgrade in an area where we actually need one. Forget all that stuff. It would still be a better use of that money to take it and burn it on a scorching hot day for no reason at all.

As for the trades, most teams will prefer some measure of quality over wanton quantity when letting go of their best player.


Okay fair enough, you're not a fan of Kessel tears of joy he was more so a throw in, no issues removing him and leaving cap space open. Acciari could slot in the 3L RW position and Leivo or another callup could play 4th line mins.

As for the trades, which ones specifically do you take issue with, and how would you fix them? Or, would you completely forego either of them?

The Blues probably do not have a strong enough defense still to make a run, hence why I targeted Chychrun, but perhaps there's another more reasonably priced player that would be more suitable?
Jul. 22, 2022 at 4:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Don_Aldo_Juan_la_Eleccion
1. Blues can't afford to keep Kyrou next year if they have Thomas AND Tkachuk; may as well get value for him, and he is obviously the best piece the Blues can offer for MT.
2. Getting a 1st back from NYI is the only way you can field a competitive offer for both MT & JC.
3. Neither Stastny nor Kessel are an upgrade on anything the Blues have for the roles they would be needed. No thanks on both.
4. You have 21 players on your roster with only 400k in remaining space.
5. Perunovich has a lot of potential, but right now he's just a guy. You're not going to get Chychrun by overwhelming ARI with a bunch of junk. A quality player would need to go the other way. You're offering prospects and a cap dump with a handful of picks. ARI will pass, for sure.


1. False
2. False, but I see what you're getting at. Would certainly help to get a 1st back, but teams know that the Blues are losing leverage here if they're targeting Tkachuk.
3. Agree to disagree on Statsny, but you have a point with Kessel - no qualms removing his signing. Reason I disagree with you on Statsny is he is a serviceable 3 line C. I would rather have Schenner playing in the top 6 on wing and occasional switches to centre than have him take on 3L mins.
4. My bad - If i remove Kessel, could easily fit in another 2 players.
5. The Blues probably do not have a strong enough defense still to make a run, hence why I targeted Chychrun, but perhaps there's another more reasonably priced player that would be more suitable? And I disagree saying that the package is junk - but probably not the strongest package ARI could get for Chychrun.
Jul. 22, 2022 at 4:36 p.m.
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Okay fair enough, you're not a fan of Kessel tears of joy he was more so a throw in, no issues removing him and leaving cap space open. Acciari could slot in the 3L RW position and Leivo or another callup could play 4th line mins.

As for the trades, which ones specifically do you take issue with, and how would you fix them? Or, would you completely forego either of them?

The Blues probably do not have a strong enough defense still to make a run, hence why I targeted Chychrun, but perhaps there's another more reasonably priced player that would be more suitable?


First, let's talk defense.... (exasperated sigh)... frankly, Army screwed us big time by giving Leddy that regrettable 4x4 NTC contract. That ruined everything we could have done better and cheaper and smarter, and it probably is going to ruin it for 2-3 seasons. I always wanted a nice simple LD who fit great over an expensive so-so fit - Soucy, Sandin, etc. Or even a slightly more expensive one that would be friggin' amazing - like Gavrikov or maybe even Sanheim. I don't think we need to splurge crazy in assets for Chych, even if he's pretty reasonable on his contract. And I know Arizona is not going to accept that quantity over quality offer. The Calgary trade is actually sneakily not terrible for total value (the Flames only take back about 5M in instant cap and those two players are decent bets to offer nice value on their salaries), but again it's veering into quantity over quality.

As for making a run, if they add Tkachuk without getting rooked, they won't need elite defense to be a contender. That said, people always overplay how bad the Blues defense is. Teams pile up a good amount of xG from taking long or perimeter shots, which get taken because the Blues defense is, flub incidents aside, pretty good at keeping teams wide. The other thing is, an overwhelming majority of Blues goal leaks come directly as a result of a bad giveaway. Now, some of those are by the defenseman, but a larger number are not. When the team breaks down, there's a fair chance the primary blame falls on a forward. Besides, analytics don't do individual stats and don't factor in how many plays get shut down. The Blues defensemen generally do shut down a lot of hairy stuff (even on nights when one big mistake spoils it all), especially now that they're morphing into an equal rush/forecheck hybrid team. Is the Blues D elite? Of course not. But they are above average. Too many people out here pretending they're bottom of the barrel or something, Blues fans included.
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Jul. 22, 2022 at 4:46 p.m.
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First, let's talk defense.... (exasperated sigh)... frankly, Army screwed us big time by giving Leddy that regrettable 4x4 NTC contract. That ruined everything we could have done better and cheaper and smarter, and it probably is going to ruin it for 2-3 seasons. I always wanted a nice simple LD who fit great over an expensive so-so fit - Soucy, Sandin, etc. Or even a slightly more expensive one that would be friggin' amazing - like Gavrikov or maybe even Sanheim. I don't think we need to splurge crazy in assets for Chych, even if he's pretty reasonable on his contract. And I know Arizona is not going to accept that quantity over quality offer. The Calgary trade is actually sneakily not terrible for total value (the Flames only take back about 5M in instant cap and those two players are decent bets to offer nice value on their salaries), but again it's veering into quantity over quality.

As for making a run, if they add Tkachuk without getting rooked, they won't need elite defense to be a contender. That said, people always overplay how bad the Blues defense is. Teams pile up a good amount of xG from taking long or perimeter shots, which get taken because the Blues defense is, flub incidents aside, pretty good at keeping teams wide. The other thing is, an overwhelming majority of Blues goal leaks come directly as a result of a bad giveaway. Now, some of those are by the defenseman, but a larger number are not. When the team breaks down, there's a fair chance the primary blame falls on a forward. Besides, analytics don't do individual stats and don't factor in how many plays get shut down. The Blues defensemen generally do shut down a lot of hairy stuff (even on nights when one big mistake spoils it all), especially now that they're morphing into an equal rush/forecheck hybrid team. Is the Blues D elite? Of course not. But they are above average. Too many people out here pretending they're bottom of the barrel or something, Blues fans included.


Good sir, when news of that Leddy signing came out I swear it ruined my whole day. So yeah totally agree there. Imagine we don't land Tkachuk and just enter the season with the squad we have today... I would give Dougie a C- offseason grade.

Also agree that the Blues D aren't terrible, and deffs was not my intention to convey that. I would say they fall somewhere around middle of the pack maybe slightly higher (maybe slightly lower). I think the point I was trying to get at was that another prime piece on D + Tkachuk would catapult the Blues into that realm of elite squads like the Avs and TBL over the past few years, and its a rare opportunity to have. Not saying we can't get it done any other way, but I sure as hell would feel more confident if that were the case.
Jul. 22, 2022 at 4:56 p.m.
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Good sir, when news of that Leddy signing came out I swear it ruined my whole day. So yeah totally agree there. Imagine we don't land Tkachuk and just enter the season with the squad we have today... I would give Dougie a C- offseason grade.

Also agree that the Blues D aren't terrible, and deffs was not my intention to convey that. I would say they fall somewhere around middle of the pack maybe slightly higher (maybe slightly lower). I think the point I was trying to get at was that another prime piece on D + Tkachuk would catapult the Blues into that realm of elite squads like the Avs and TBL over the past few years, and its a rare opportunity to have. Not saying we can't get it done any other way, but I sure as hell would feel more confident if that were the case.


I wasn't suggesting you suggested the Blues D was terrible. I was talking about the hockey public at large.
 
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