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CAR 22-23

Created by: Dnik1010
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 24, 2022
Published: Jul. 24, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Carolina Hurricanes
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Keane, Joey1$750,000
Lajoie, Maxime1$750,000
Mattheos, Stelio1$750,000
Necas, Martin2$2,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Stepan, Derek1$750,000
Trades
1.
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  1. 2023 3rd round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Bear, Ethan [RFA Rights]
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$82,354,417$112,500$500,000$145,583
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Svechnikov, Andrei
$7,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 7
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Aho, Sebastian
$8,460,250
C, LW
UFA - 2
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Teräväinen, Teuvo
$5,400,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
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Pacioretty, Max
$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$4,820,000
C, LW
UFA - 8
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Jarvis, Seth
$894,167
RW
RFA - 2
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Necas, Martin
$2,250,000
RW, C
RFA - 2
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Staal, Jordan
$6,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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Fast, Jesper
$2,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
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Martinook, Jordan
$1,800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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Drury, Jack
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
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Kase, Ondrej
$1,500,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Slavin, Jaccob
$5,300,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Burns, Brent
$5,280,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Andersen, Frederik
$4,500,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
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Skjei, Brady
$5,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Pesce, Brett
$4,025,000
RD
UFA - 2
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Raanta, Antti
$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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Gardiner, Jake
$4,050,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
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Coghlan, Dylan
$762,500
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Chatfield, Jalen
$762,500
RD
UFA - 2
Stepan, Derek
$750,000
C
UFA
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Noesen, Stefan
$762,500
RW, LW
UFA - 2

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Jul. 24 at 11:33 p.m.
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This is likely. Unless they find a way to move Gardiner. Then I could see them make a couple more moves.
Jul. 24 at 11:38 p.m.
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a couple questions for this move. With him filing for arbitration:

Does he have to sign before being traded?

If he doesnt and the habs sign him does that reopen their 2nd buyout window?
Jul. 25 at 12:32 a.m.
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This is likely. Unless they find a way to move Gardiner. Then I could see them make a couple more moves.


What is unlikely? The trade?
Jul. 25 at 12:32 a.m.
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a couple questions for this move. With him filing for arbitration:

Does he have to sign before being traded?

If he doesnt and the habs sign him does that reopen their 2nd buyout window?


Gonna be completely honest, I have no clue.
Jul. 25 at 12:33 a.m.
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Quoting: Black61
a couple questions for this move. With him filing for arbitration:

Does he have to sign before being traded?

If he doesnt and the habs sign him does that reopen their 2nd buyout window?


To my understanding, the arbitration would proceed as normal, including the buyout window and all of the other items it involves. I cannot however, find an example of a team trading for a player headed to arbitration, without first having a contract in place that would negate the arbitration process.
The new CBA MOU also prevents the arbitration process from being interrupted once it has begun. You can no longer sign a player after the hearing but before the verdict. Any contract which avoids arbitration must be signed before their scheduled hearing.

Common sense would suggest no team is going to trade for a player without knowing what their contract is going to be, so I'd be surprised if it has ever happened. You'd normally get permission to discuss a contract with the player's agent and have a sign and trade, or an agreement to be finalized immediately after a trade. That would also preempt a 2nd buyout window.
Only the team has walk away rights if they disagree with the arbitration award. Until then, the player remains an RFA and may be traded as one. As with any RFA, a value and length of contract has to be negotiated, the only difference with arbitration is that a 3rd party sets those terms when negotiations fail.

So in short, yes. A trade is legal and doesn't change the process, but no team is going to make a trade under those circumstances.
Jul. 25 at 12:43 a.m.
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To my understanding, the arbitration would proceed as normal, including the buyout window and all of the other items it involves. I cannot however, find an example of a team trading for a player headed to arbitration, without first having a contract in place that would negate the arbitration process.
The new CBA MOU also prevents the arbitration process from being interrupted once it has begun. You can no longer sign a player after the hearing but before the verdict. Any contract which avoids arbitration must be signed before their scheduled hearing.

Common sense would suggest no team is going to trade for a player without knowing what their contract is going to be, so I'd be surprised if it has ever happened. You'd normally get permission to discuss a contract with the player's agent and have a sign and trade, or an agreement to be finalized immediately after a trade. That would also preempt a 2nd buyout window.
Only the team has walk away rights if they disagree with the arbitration award. Until then, the player remains an RFA and may be traded as one. As with any RFA, a value and length of contract has to be negotiated, the only difference with arbitration is that a 3rd party sets those terms when negotiations fail.

So in short, yes. A trade is legal and doesn't change the process, but no team is going to make a trade under those circumstances.


Th logic I am using for asking this is:

If the habs dont want to pay to dump cap for the dach signing.

They trade for bear which addresses the RD they talked about in the matheson press conference. You sign him.

The buyout window opens and you buyout dadonov or hoffman

You have the money to sign dach.
Jul. 25 at 12:46 a.m.
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Quoting: Black61
Th logic I am using for asking this is:

If the habs dont want to pay to dump cap for the dach signing.

They trade for bear which addresses the RD they talked about in the matheson press conference. You sign him.

The buyout window opens and you buyout dadonov or hoffman

You have the money to sign dach.


I am also under the assumption that Price is going to LTIR
Jul. 25 at 8:05 a.m.
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Quoting: Dnik1010
What is unlikely? The trade?


I said likely.
Jul. 25 at 9:20 a.m.
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Quoting: vikhodush
I said likely.


Whoops. My bad lol.
Jul. 25 at 12:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Black61
Th logic I am using for asking this is:

If the habs dont want to pay to dump cap for the dach signing.

They trade for bear which addresses the RD they talked about in the matheson press conference. You sign him.

The buyout window opens and you buyout dadonov or hoffman

You have the money to sign dach.


Habs won't be in arbitration and I can't see them maneuvering to put themselves there. If they were going to buy anyone out, it probably would have happened already.
Between Byron and Price, there's uncertainty as to whether moving salary is even necessary, and they are still in the trade market so there's lots of time to resolve those issues and resort to a cap dump later if required.

Nothing to be too concerned about outside of whether Price can play. Clarity there will determine the direction.
Jul. 25 at 7:02 p.m.
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We have no use for Bear
Jul. 25 at 7:06 p.m.
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We have no use for Bear


wE hAvE nO use FoR bEaR
Jul. 25 at 7:06 p.m.
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wE hAvE nO use FoR bEaR


Did you have a stroke when you typed?
 
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