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Next season after jt Miller trade

Created by: herzausstein
Team: 2023-24 Nashville Predators
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 28, 2022
Published: Jul. 28, 2022
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I guess this just sort of explains why I think Nashville doing this trade would be bad asset management. We can get this to work this year but we would have to find a way to purge large amounts of cap to make things work next season or just let Miller walk…. If Miller walks that’s a lot of good assets to use for one season when you aren’t really a contender. I don’t believe we would be able to purge nearly 10 mil in cap to work it out
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1$1,000,000
1$1,800,000
5$3,750,000
4$3,750,000
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7$9,500,000
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NSH
    Jt Miller 2022
    VAN
    1. Fabbro, Dante [RFA Rights]
    2. Tolvanen, Eeli
    3. 2023 1st round pick (NSH)
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    UFA - 1
    $9,500,000$9,500,000
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    C, RW
    UFA - 2
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    $797,500$797,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
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    RFA - 2
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    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 2
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    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
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    $2,857,143$2,857,143
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    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Nashville Predators
    $3,750,000$3,750,000
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    UFA - 1
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    Jul. 28, 2022 at 6:23 p.m.
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    Zero chance Miller gets 9.5; rumor was in the 8.5 AAV range. But I get your main point regardless.
    Jul. 28, 2022 at 6:27 p.m.
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    Miller will probably cost a million less in that term
    Jul. 28, 2022 at 6:35 p.m.
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    Definitely don't mind that return package, but definitely don't see Miller commanding that much on his next contract either
    Jul. 28, 2022 at 6:37 p.m.
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    To me, a Miller extension would mean Granlund is gone. So that's $5m off the books. Then, let's say Miller signs for at least $1m less as some others have suggested (maybe even another $500k or more being in Nashville with no state income tax, fingers crossed). So that's $6m off the books. Take away one of the scratches and run with 22-- that's roughly $6.75m off the books. So that's just about $1.5m to go. But yeah, it would not be easy to get under the cap in this scenario. Now if Johansen were to ever get moved and replaced with Miller? That would be a big win-- but that's just dreaming...
    Jul. 28, 2022 at 6:37 p.m.
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    Even at a million less AAV we’d have to expel a Johansen + size caphit… at todays rate that’s be an additional first+
    Jul. 28, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: Knuckl3s
    Definitely don't mind that return package, but definitely don't see Miller commanding that much on his next contract either


    Quoting: The_Rocket
    Miller will probably cost a million less in that term


    Quoting: alwaysnextyear
    Zero chance Miller gets 9.5; rumor was in the 8.5 AAV range. But I get your main point regardless.


    Quoting: villenash
    To me, a Miller extension would mean Granlund is gone. So that's $5m off the books. Then, let's say Miller signs for at least $1m less as some others have suggested (maybe even another $500k or more being in Nashville with no state income tax, fingers crossed). So that's $6m off the books. Take away one of the scratches and run with 22-- that's roughly $6.75m off the books. So that's just about $1.5m to go. But yeah, it would not be easy to get under the cap in this scenario. Now if Johansen were to ever get moved and replaced with Miller? That would be a big win-- but that's just dreaming...


    If you can trade Johansen for Miller that’d be a win but I’m afraid what Johansen will cost to trade given how silly expensive cap dumps have gotten
    Jul. 28, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: herzausstein
    If you can trade Johansen for Miller that’d be a win but I’m afraid what Johansen will cost to trade given how silly expensive cap dumps have gotten


    You'd have to either add big time to send Johansen back to VAN, or take on another cap dump or two from Vancouver along with Miller
    Jul. 28, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: alwaysnextyear
    Zero chance Miller gets 9.5; rumor was in the 8.5 AAV range. But I get your main point regardless.


    It's a good point. Every 2023 free agent is watching Kadri have to turn back tail between his legs and ask for less cause he and his agent completely misread the market and his own value. Also, with a 27yo 40 goal scorer on the team making 8.5 I highly doubt NSH would offer more than 8.
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    Jul. 28, 2022 at 7:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: herzausstein
    If you can trade Johansen for Miller that’d be a win but I’m afraid what Johansen will cost to trade given how silly expensive cap dumps have gotten


    Probably have to add at least a 1st tbh
    Jul. 28, 2022 at 7:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: The_Rocket
    Probably have to add at least a 1st tbh


    Not only that, but the preds would have to take back Tucker Poolman, Jason Dickinson, or Tanner Pearson to make the cap work
    Jul. 28, 2022 at 8:27 p.m.
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    I think the cap increase will be more like 2.5 to 3 million next year. It was rumored to go up 3 million before Covid hit and with it being 2 years removed I could see a similar increase
    Jul. 28, 2022 at 9:04 p.m.
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    I would prefer a better prospect/young roster player than Tolvanen, but I still take that if I am Vancouver.
     
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