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Joz signed

Created by: Claesson4Norris
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 28, 2022
Published: Jul. 28, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
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Great contract, will be a very important depth option for Ottawa at a very reasonable price.
Free Agent Signings
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4$2,950,000
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
19$82,500,000$74,559,881$0$4,025,000$7,940,119
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Tkachuk, Brady
$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 6
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Norris, Joshua
$7,950,000
C
UFA - 8
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Batherson, Drake
$4,975,000
RW
UFA - 5
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DeBrincat, Alex
$6,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Giroux, Claude
$6,500,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 3
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Watson, Austin
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Stützle, Tim
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
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Gambrell, Dylan
$950,000
C
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Hawryluk, Jayce
$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Kelly, Parker
$762,500
C, LW
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Joseph, Mathieu
$2,950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Chabot, Thomas
$8,000,000
LD
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Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
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Talbot, Cam
$3,666,667
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Holden, Nick
$1,300,000
LD
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UFA - 1
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Hamonic, Travis
$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Forsberg, Anton
$2,750,000
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Sanderson, Jake
$925,000
LD
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Zub, Artem
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Pinto, Shane
$925,000
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Jul. 28, 2022 at 7:14 p.m.
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Nick Paul better
Jul. 28, 2022 at 7:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Florida_Man_Maroon
Nick Paul better


Joseph is younger, signed for less, and for less term.

This is a good signing.
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Jul. 28, 2022 at 7:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Florida_Man_Maroon
Nick Paul better


Maybe, but Joseph is younger, has way more offensive upside and now has a way better contract.

LOVE Nick Paul but that deal worked out great for Ottawa (and very obviously for Tampa too). That Paul contract never would have made sense for where Ottawa was at the time of the trade.
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Jul. 28, 2022 at 7:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
This is a very interesting deal. I thought he’d get 2x2 to see what he really is, and Formenton would be the guy who would get a medium term deal like this. He’s still relatively unproven, but his floor is as a very fast, effective PKer in the bottom 6. This is a lot of money for that floor, so the hope is he has some offensive upside. He had 12 goals in 56 games with Tampa in 20-21, and 12 points in 11 games with us to end the year. I don’t expent him to be a point per game player, but if he can be a 15-20 goal, 35-40 point guy on the 3rd line, this will be fair value. If he can continue to mesh as the complementary piece with Tkachuk and Norris on a top 6 line and put up 50+ points while being the energy guy that injects some speed (Tkachuk isn’t exactly fast) while also helping Norris with the matchup game, and thus allow Batherson or Giroux to play down on the 3rd line with Formenton and Pinto, this contract will be a huge W.

Ultimately I think it’s a very promising sign that a guy wants to stay here for several years, and the last time we let a speedy middle six winger walk who wanted a similar deal it didn’t turn out great. Although I think we offered Duke 3x3 a year before the Cats gave him that? So idk what really happened there, maybe he just wanted to test the market and overplayed his hand but didn’t want to skulk back to Ottawa, but regardless he’s gone now, but Joseph is here to stay, which is nice to be able to say about players now.

Quoting: Alfie11
It’s definitely a good bet. I really like the dual threat that is him and Formenton on the PK. Being able to counter-attack with speed will likely lead to a lot of SHGs. I’m not sure what his offensive upside really is, because he was solid in 20-21 and looked like a potential 20 goal guy, then was mediocre for Tampa last year, then was absurdly good for us. Something back around 20-20-40 is hopefully within reason, and would make this an excellent deal when combined with his defensive play. But as you can see from his carry exits, carry entries, and recoveries, he’s at the very least the type of guy who blows by everyone to exit our zone and enter theirs with speed, or gets there first on dump-ins. That’s always helpful to have, and is very useful when combined with a guy who can wire it like Norris. If he works on his playmaking, he could for sure be a very useful top 6 guy on that line.

This is what I said in the forums thread, pretty much sums up my thoughts. Dream scenario is he fits perfectly with Norris and Tkachuk which lets us run Batherson or Giroux on the 3rd line (it feels so nice to have depth like that). But even if he’s just a good 2-way 3rd liner that can pitch in 40 points and PK with some SHGs it’ll be a good deal.
Jul. 28, 2022 at 8:00 p.m.
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Ottawa is going to have some serious cap gymnastics next off-season with Stutzle and Debrincat costing close to 17 million together. 13 million for a starting goalie, 2 top 4 defenders, and a couple of forwards.
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Jul. 28, 2022 at 8:15 p.m.
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Quoting: ecupirate07
Ottawa is going to have some serious cap gymnastics next off-season with Stutzle and Debrincat costing close to 17 million together. 13 million for a starting goalie, 2 top 4 defenders, and a couple of forwards.


If Forsberg is able to give them similar quality to what he did last year, it's totally realistic for them to run Forsberg/Søgaard after this season. As for forwards, they'll have 7 of the top 9 locked up, and plenty of options on ELCs to fill out the bottom six. The big question marks will be on D, with Zub needing an extension and an obvious need for an additional top 4 RD.

Pinto is the biggest question mark here because he could easily play himself out of Ottawa on his next contract. It might not be possible to keep him. Formenton will be gone regardless, either he's involved in the 2018 team Canada thing in which case he's done in the NHL, or he's clear and he'll be traded because they can't afford him.
 
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