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Monahan

Created by: JeffW
Team: 2022-23 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 29, 2022
Published: Jul. 29, 2022
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Hoping for a Bennett situation for Monahan under a different coach in a different role
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  1. Monahan, Sean ($3,150,000 retained)
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    Not sure what it would take, Calgary wants to move on from Monahan gives them some room to sign Kadri, magipane and others
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:14 p.m.
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    This is pretty beneficial for both if Kadri is the plan for CGY.
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: mmccRed198913
    This is pretty beneficial for both if Kadri is the plan for CGY.


    They still need to sign mangiapane too, and he scored 35 last year
    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:23 p.m.
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    Unfortunately, Monahan's issue is neither coach nor role, it's injuries. His hips are totally busted.
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:41 p.m.
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    That’s too bad if it is injuries, I think he would be solid between two solid wingers at 2C. If he’s healthy I think it would be worth a risk if we haven’t found anyone and they’re looking to move him
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: ArakinSkywalker
    That’s too bad if it is injuries, I think he would be solid between two solid wingers at 2C. If he’s healthy I think it would be worth a risk if we haven’t found anyone and they’re looking to move him


    There are some rumors that he may have other issues as well. I hate to even bring it up cuz I have no idea if it's legit, but it's a situation that needs serious diligence.

    In any case, I think Calagary needs to pay to move him. Maybe that 2025 1st they got for Tkachuk.
    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:45 p.m.
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    Monahan isn’t the answer to any questions the Avs have. Injuries, lack of production he scored less points than both Compher and Newhook and has 3 consecutive seasons of decreased production during his 25, 26 and age 27 years. It isn’t going to get better with him.
    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: Anus_McLeod
    There are some rumors that he may have other issues as well. I hate to even bring it up cuz I have no idea if it's legit, but it's a situation that needs serious diligence.

    In any case, I think Calagary needs to pay to move him. Maybe that 2025 1st they got for Tkachuk.


    I'd definitely take that risk than
    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Monahan isn’t the answer to any questions the Avs have. Injuries, lack of production he scored less points than both Compher and Newhook and has 3 consecutive seasons of decreased production during his 25, 26 and age 27 years. It isn’t going to get better with him.


    Fair enough, just trying to think beyond compher at 2c or a Stastny signing
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:54 p.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    I'd definitely take that risk than


    It makes it look more appealing for sure, but having a boat anchor contract in a year they're trying to repeat isn't super desirable. I have no idea if I'm accurate on that sweetener either. That's what it would take to get me thinking though.
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    Fair enough, just trying to think beyond compher at 2c or a Stastny signing


    7 words. Alex Newhook try it you will like
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 6:58 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    7 words. Alex Newhook try it you will like


    From what I've seen I do not like it as much as I did 2 years ago
    Jul. 29, 2022 at 7:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    From what I've seen I do not like it as much as I did 2 years ago

    33pts as a rookie playing on the 3rd line. It wouldn’t be unrealistic to expect a jump just from year 1 to 2. Throw in playing with high end wingers like Landeskog and Lehkonen and regular PP2 minutes it’s not that big of a leap to think he scores 50pts, and I mean 50pts is 50pts but 50pts on an elc is special. And think about it this way Newhook at last years rate scores ONE more point every five games that’s 50. Personally I think he has 70pt potential but that’s just me.
    Jul. 29, 2022 at 7:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: Anus_McLeod
    There are some rumors that he may have other issues as well. I hate to even bring it up cuz I have no idea if it's legit, but it's a situation that needs serious diligence.

    In any case, I think Calagary needs to pay to move him. Maybe that 2025 1st they got for Tkachuk.


    Calgary wouldn't trade a 1st to move him. They can resign kylington and mangiapane with the cap space remaining. It's not ideal, but they would as it's 1 year left. It really just depends on his recovery. If he is actually healthy again, great. If not, he will be moved to LTIR.
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 7:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: Dr_Invictus
    Calgary wouldn't trade a 1st to move him. They can resign kylington and mangiapane with the cap space remaining. It's not ideal, but they would as it's 1 year left. It really just depends on his recovery. If he is actually healthy again, great. If not, he will be moved to LTIR.


    Sure, I agree. It would have to be in the circumstance where they sign Kadri. I should have made that clear. And as I said later in the thread, I have no idea if that's the cost to move his contract. Considering how difficult it is to move money these days, seems like it could be a reasonable ask in such a situation.
    Jul. 29, 2022 at 8:00 p.m.
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    Like others have said, his body has gave out on him.

    If someone wanted to take a flyer on him, he could be had for essentially free.
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 8:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: Anus_McLeod
    Sure, I agree. It would have to be in the circumstance where they sign Kadri. I should have made that clear. And as I said later in the thread, I have no idea if that's the cost to move his contract. Considering how difficult it is to move money these days, seems like it could be a reasonable ask in such a situation.


    If healthy, he would be a great addition to Colorado, and maybe a pick to cover the retained salary. Might be hard to swing that during the offseason, without seeing him skate and play again. I like the trade for both otherwise. Colorado really just needs a serviceable Kadri replacement. Personally, I don't want the flames to sign Kadri. It will be for too much, and too long to be of benefit.
    Jul. 29, 2022 at 8:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    33pts as a rookie playing on the 3rd line. It wouldn’t be unrealistic to expect a jump just from year 1 to 2. Throw in playing with high end wingers like Landeskog and Lehkonen and regular PP2 minutes it’s not that big of a leap to think he scores 50pts, and I mean 50pts is 50pts but 50pts on an elc is special. And think about it this way Newhook at last years rate scores ONE more point every five games that’s 50. Personally I think he has 70pt potential but that’s just me.


    If I'm an Avs fan, I don't *hate* the idea of getting a veteran (like a healthy Sean Monahan) as a backup plan for 2C in case Newhook needs a little more sheltering while he develops.

    I also honestly don't know enough about the depth chart there - would Compher and Helm be 3C and 4C if Newhook slid up to 2C? Because I'm not the hugest fan of that bottom 6 if that's the case.
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 8:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    If I'm an Avs fan, I don't *hate* the idea of getting a veteran (like a healthy Sean Monahan) as a backup plan for 2C in case Newhook needs a little more sheltering while he develops.

    I also honestly don't know enough about the depth chart there - would Compher and Helm be 3C and 4C if Newhook slid up to 2C? Because I'm not the hugest fan of that bottom 6 if that's the case.


    they could fill the 2c by committee until the TDL if they wanted. Newhook, Meyers, Compher...maybe look at Rantanen spot duty 2C for a bit. IT could be done
    I would rather they do that, try and sign another guy to fit that spot duty in Stastny or Evan Rodriques. Acrue cap space during the season and try to add a Vet C at the deadline.

    Ive been partial to the idea of Adam Henrique as a trade target at the deadline. If they ducks continue to retool with youth, he would be a guy, or similar, that the Avs should look at
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 9:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    If I'm an Avs fan, I don't *hate* the idea of getting a veteran (like a healthy Sean Monahan) as a backup plan for 2C in case Newhook needs a little more sheltering while he develops.

    I also honestly don't know enough about the depth chart there - would Compher and Helm be 3C and 4C if Newhook slid up to 2C? Because I'm not the hugest fan of that bottom 6 if that's the case.

    Moving Newhook 2C means you have have 4 of 6 from the bottom 6 that won the cup plus Meyers + fill in the blank. I like Newhook at 2C because it allows him to play into the role with high end wingers and allow the Avs to accrue a lot of cap space so they can make a move and not have to overpay because of retention. Remember the Avs are now in win Cup modes and the playoffs matter more than anything.
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 9:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    they could fill the 2c by committee until the TDL if they wanted. Newhook, Meyers, Compher...maybe look at Rantanen spot duty 2C for a bit. IT could be done
    I would rather they do that, try and sign another guy to fit that spot duty in Stastny or Evan Rodriques. Acrue cap space during the season and try to add a Vet C at the deadline.

    Ive been partial to the idea of Adam Henrique as a trade target at the deadline. If they ducks continue to retool with youth, he would be a guy, or similar, that the Avs should look at

    For me I don’t get how Meyers is an option at 2C. Newhook was a 33pt rookie at 13.5 TOI, the same rate at 17 TOI is 51pts. Let Landy shepherd him like he did with MacK. But that’s me.
    Jul. 29, 2022 at 9:37 p.m.
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    For me I don’t get how Meyers is an option at 2C. Newhook was a 33pt rookie at 13.5 TOI, the same rate at 17 TOI is 51pts. Let Landy shepherd him like he did with MacK. But that’s me.


    they played LOC on the top line when they had to, all its saying they have C options on the roster currently to spot fill depending on what lines are going. I think Newhook at 2C will just be fine, I have no issues with him and think he will be very solid in an elevated role
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 9:48 p.m.
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    Unfortunately, Monahan's issue is neither coach nor role, it's injuries. His hips are totally busted.


    *Were totally busted. It would defeat the purpose of replacement surgery if they still are
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    Jul. 29, 2022 at 9:53 p.m.
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    Makes a ton of sense if they can get the right trade made. I think Monahan has a major chip on his shoulder this year and if he can stay healthy will definitely bounce back. He is not as bad as he has shown the past year. Maybe not 80 point good anymore but certainly not 20 point bad either. He's a sneaky good pickup for a team that can elevate him a little.
    Jul. 29, 2022 at 10:13 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    7 words. Alex Newhook try it you will like


    I don't understand all these ACGM'ers trying to reinvent the wheel. Just play Newhook at 2C. Joe knows he has until the trade deadline to upgrade if he needs to. Any move at that point can be made with both Stanley Cup aspirations AND next years MacKinnon, Bowen and Newhook contracts in mind.
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    Jul. 30, 2022 at 12:22 a.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    *Were totally busted. It would defeat the purpose of replacement surgery if they still are


    There's a huge difference between fixing busted hips to a normal life-living level, and being able to return to an elite sport. The purpose of replacement surgery is not "he's going to be 100% back to his former NHL self".
     
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