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How much would it cost to dump benn and seguin

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Team: 2022-23 Dallas Stars
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 30, 2022
Published: Jul. 30, 2022
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    1. Benn, Jamie
    2. Hintz, Roope
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    4. Seguin, Tyler
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    19.35m for a total of 95 points between these two players. Not to mention there is 3 years for benn and 5 for seguin. To offload either to a rebuilding team would cost a kings ransom. If you are offloading 23% of the current cap I think it would cost a lot. The leafs gave up a first round pick to get rid of 6.5m in cap to offload marleau. Marleau put up 37 in 82 games or one point per $175k. Seguin put up 49 in 81 or $200k per point. Benn put up $205k per point. With both players being less cost efficient than marleau and having 3 and 5 years left respectively, it would cost a lot to dump them. Similar to marleau they are both near buyout proof. Benn costs against the cap 8.83m for the remaining 3 years of his contract and 1/3m for 3 after that. A seguin buyout saves the team 4.1m the first year, 2 the next, 1.9 after that, 250k and 150k the final two years. With having such minimal savings for the team if they get bought out, they are basically buyout proof. Not to mention if they get bought out, they are paid over the course of 6 and 10 years respectively with the vast majority coming in the first half of those deals. Going back to the marleau deal, it was a first for 6.5m in cap relief for a more efficient player. It was also only 6.5m for one year and not 3 and 5 so it’s a longer term investment. Both players could cost 2-3 firsts each to move. What are these assets I see being plausible for moving both (bourque, stankoven, Johnston, the next 3 firsts, or hintz) imo the most likely package for offloading the 77.5m in total dollars in total cap and 19.35m for the first 3 and 9.85m for the last 2. Tbh I think it would cost hintz, Johnston, and a first or two to offload all of this cap. Being near buyout proof and a massive deadweight hindering a teams success, it should cost all of this to offload them. Dallas management really shot themselves in the foot with these signings.
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    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:09 p.m.
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    Capfriendly needs a Marleau disclaimer so he isn't used in comparisons.

    Marleau had a full NMC and would only accept a trade to a team that would buy him out. He also had an over age 35 contract, meaning that if he was bought out, the full cap hit would remain on the cap. Therefore, it is not a fair comparison.
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    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.
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    They still have value, the only hard part is their huge contracts, Benn, Saguin, Harley, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd would probably start the needle
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    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    Capfriendly needs a Marleau disclaimer so he isn't used in comparisons.

    Marleau had a full NMC and would only accept a trade to a team that would buy him out. He also had an over age 35 contract, meaning that if he was bought out, the full cap hit would remain on the cap. Therefore, it is not a fair comparison.


    Eh kinda is. Both are near buyout proof as well. Even if they do play they are less cost efficient than marleau was and would likely be bought out eventually.
    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:12 p.m.
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    I'd personally rather bank on both of them improving next season than selling the team's offensive core.

    They're unmovable contracts.
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    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: cody_tugak
    They still have value, the only hard part is their huge contracts, Benn, Saguin, Harley, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd would probably start the needle


    Looking at cost per point, they are less cost efficient than marleau. I think that’s a massive underpay tbh. They have value sure but it is depleting more and more. It will likely be higher in the last season of each of their respective deals but before that the value is still awful.
    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:19 p.m.
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    Dallas doesn't need to move them to be competitive. Johnston, Bourque, and Stankoven are all on ELC's until Benn, Suter, and Faksa come off the books (assuming Suter and/or Faksa are not bought out before then). Cap dump Khudobin for this season, re-sign Robertson and Oettinger to 3 year deals (they'll be RFA's when those expire and can get massive contracts at that time). Solved.
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    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.
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    Dallas doesn't need to move them to be competitive. Johnston, Bourque, and Stankoven are all on ELC's until Benn, Suter, and Faksa come off the books (assuming Suter and/or Faksa are not bought out before then). Cap dump Khudobin for this season, re-sign Robertson and Oettinger to 3 year deals (they'll be RFA's when those expire and can get massive contracts at that time). Solved.


    Indeed but that means the stars cup window finally fully opens up in 5 years.
    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:22 p.m.
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    No team would take their contracts. The only way to get rid of them is to retain on them or buyout. Neither make much sense at this point.
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    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:24 p.m.
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    Wait to see them under a different coach before even considering this. Bowness stifled the offense on this team from my view. I don't really like DeSnore but I'm excited to see how these two will react under a different coach. I'm really looking forward to bounceback seasons from both of them. Seguin also had just gotten over a really rough injury the year before, and that could have impacted him last year. We'll see

    If a trade were to happen, you absolutely cannot move Roope Hintz to do it... he is your only centerman on the team. Don't be silly
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    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:24 p.m.
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    That's an interesting way to spell Future Considerations
    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:26 p.m.
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    Quoting: kdawg32086
    Dallas doesn't need to move them to be competitive. Johnston, Bourque, and Stankoven are all on ELC's until Benn, Suter, and Faksa come off the books (assuming Suter and/or Faksa are not bought out before then). Cap dump Khudobin for this season, re-sign Robertson and Oettinger to 3 year deals (they'll be RFA's when those expire and can get massive contracts at that time). Solved.


    They are better off signing Otter to 5.5x8 now if they can Signing Robertson to 3 years isn't a good idea because it probably doesn't save them much now and could cost a lot more later.
    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:27 p.m.
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    Indeed but that means the stars cup window finally fully opens up in 5 years.


    I'd argue that the window opens up in 2024 (whether it's late in the 23-24 season or during the 24-25 season is the debate) unless all of those prospects flop.
    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:27 p.m.
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    Honestly if it were in anyway feasible I thinks it’s 4 1sts
    Jul. 30, 2022 at 3:51 p.m.
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    Jul. 30, 2022 at 4:00 p.m.
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    Long story short, moving them is nigh on impossible unless DAL takes in a considerable amount of cap too.

    Virtually the only possible trade example for trading Seguin (or Benn) is either a Subban for Weber scenario, or the OEL trade scenario.

    Those two are massively overpaid, but they're at least statistically serviceable, able to put up 50 points in a year.
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    Jul. 30, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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    This is like 1 step forward 5 steps backwards.

    To get rid of those two anchors you move an elite number 1 centre, who’s probably a top 20 centre, and the greatest prospect this team had since Heiskanen, who has the potential to be better than Hintz.

    Best idea would be to play the long game, just wait till Benn, Suter and Faksa’s contract expires, then you will have a ton of cap space. By then prospects like Bourque, Stankoven, Johnston, Bichsel, Harley will develop and turn into young studs and players like Hintz, Miro, Robertson will grow even more and become amongst the league’s elite.
     
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