This team looks pretty sweet. And retain all their 2023 picks as well

Not a big fan of essentially trading JGP's age-29 through -32 seasons at $5M AAV for Kadri's age-32 through -37 seasons at $2M more. Kadri's not even that much of an upgrade over Brock's production to make that move - Brock's scored about 25 goals/82 GP for his entire career while Kadri's only exceeded 20 goals 4 times in his 10 full seasons.

Also not a big fan of moving that many assets for a guy with one good season like Chychurn.

I'm not moving JGP for Kadri. I'm moving Bailey for Kadri.
I'm moving JGP to get the space to put in Chychrun.

Chychrun is real deal and not even in his prime yet.

Talk about cherry picking stats lmao. Brock Nelson has scored 205 goals in 676 regular season games, which works out to a 0.303 G/GP pace, or 24.8 goals over an 82 game season. Kadri on the other hand has 219 goals in 739 games, which is 0.296 G/GP, or 24.3 goals per 82 games.

I've got no horse in this fight, but to frame Nelson as this money in the bank 25 goal stud and Kadri as the guy who has only hit 20 goals 4 times when they've scored at essentially the exact same pace over their respective careers is a pretty weak argument.

Just not seeing the incentive here for Arizona.

Bailey has very little value to them. He's essentially moved for cap purposes, but he's really nothing more than a piece they can possibly swap at next seasons TDL.
Dufour is a decent prospect, and had a very nice season. But he was also in his D+2 season and has a significant amount of size. Good prospect but not top tier until he plays against men.
Salo is 23 and has barely managed to get some NHL games. He's only a year younger than Chychrun. Again, decent prospect but not top tier.
The 2nd rounder is fine, but having to wait until 2024 for the 1st is also and issue. Arizona is going to want picks sooner than later, and with a deep 2023 draft that pick probably has more value to them.

This seems like a lot of stuff the Islanders don't mind getting rid of along with a first for a young established top 4 Dman on a bargain contract. Value doesn't seem to fit.

If I was CGY I wouldn't take JGP deal proposal.

I think he means cause ur signing Kadri and trading JGP

The Calgary deal is fair but they would have to move salary to make it happen. I also like the idea of trying to beat everyone with elite defense. I’m just not sure Chychrun is the this superstar defenseman people think he is.

Didn’t Pageau play top 6 minutes in Ottawa? I think he broke out in their top six during a conference finals run. I don’t c the issue here tbh.

That package does not get Chychrun from Arizona. Also not sure if Calgary is the right team for JGP. Really like the center depth of this team though.

I’m a big believer in Dufour tbh. Using him as a centerpiece may not be realistic but calling he’s more than just a decent prospect.

Over the past ten years only 3 memorial cup MVP’s haven’t made an impact at the nhl level. Michael Chaput in 2012 had 63 points in 57 games in the Q. Edgars Kulda who in 2014 had 30 points in 47 WHL games. And Joel Teusdale had 80 points in 66 games in the Q in the 2018-2019 season.

Dufour had 116 points in 66 games last season had and 56 goals. In terms of production he completely blew everyone else on that list out of the water. Look I’m not saying he’s a lock, but saying he’s only a decent prospect seems unfair. The dude was a high pick in the Q and was a late bloomer. Sometimes bigger kids take a little while longer to get their legs under them.

With Salo it’s a little more complicated cause he stayed in Europe a while but the kid can play. The package isn’t what Arizona wants but it’s probably fair considering the coyotes are gonna have to ship Chychrun to NY in a box labeled “fragile.”

Agreed I’m not a fan of Chychrun and I like Dufour. A lot of guys won Memorial cup MVP and went on to have pretty good careers. The ones who don’t r usually guys who can’t skate, don’t have good size or both. Dufour seems like he has enough of both to at least be a checking line guy.

If I were Kadri I'd definitely negotiate keeping the beard as part of the contract lol.

I think you might be right about Chychrun but as long as NYI aren't giving up for him more than what they would for a top 4 D of his age they should be good. He's actually a guy that I was thinking of a possible guy that Lou would move out Nelson and the other guys we talked about but I doubt he would want to go to Arizona although they would want him (perhaps Nelson to Col, Girard to Arz and Chychrun to NYI).

Let me preface that I think Arizona would focus negotiations around 1. Raty and 2. 2023 1st round pick and then add on from there.

The Isles won’t trade Raty for a defenseman who is more durable than Rick DiPietro but less durable than Radek Martinek .

Dont take this the wrong way, but this is the type of asking price which leads people to say that Chychrun is incredibly overrated. Like u r probably right but that’s the reason a trade hasn’t happened yet.

Can’t see Arizona accepting that deal. Bailey is a throw in. Not much difference between the 2023 picks (maybe 15 spots or so) and the first in 2024 isn’t as valuable as a 2023 first. I think you would need to remove the third going back, change it to a 2023 first, and add Raty or Wahlstrom type player. Not saying isles should or would do that but that’s what the ask is otherwise they don’t really have an incentive to make the trade

That’s probably the ask but Chychrun is incredibly overrated. If the isles were willing to do that the deal would be done by now. Chychrun isn’t even worth more than wally. Dude is made of glass.

When they are more serious about moving him I think they get like two thirds of their current ask: A top prospect+ a 1st or a good prospect+ a 1st and 3rd.

Understandable and I totally get where you are coming from.

I'm not saying Dufour is a bad prospect at all. However while he was dominant, he did so with NHL size and possibly even NHL strength at this point given how solid he is for 6'3". He very well could be an outstanding NHL player, but I would think given where he played he's harder to evaluate right now. Had he played in the AHL last season I think there would be a better understanding of where he is as a prospect (Not sure if he was even eligible to though).

I personally tend to be leery of production in the Q, simply because Q players seem so much harder to project than players in the WHL and OHL to me (again that's my own personal opinion). That said Arizona may want someone with more pedigree like a Holmstrom, Wahlstrom or Raty who I'm sure NY probably doesn't want to trade lol.

I don’t think NY would move raty or Wally. That being said there r a lot of guys who went thru the Q. Crosby, Huberdeau, Kucherov, MacKinnon and the list goes on and on lol. League gets a bad rap but it isn’t necessarily warranted.

No worries and I don't take things personally and in this case, I don't have a rooting interest in either of these teams, just moreso as a fan of hockey.

But for ****s and giggles (and totally hypothetical)...maybe Lou has offered Raty and a 1st but the Yotes are holding out for more which is why the deal hasn't gotten done yet. We will never know since Lou is tight lipped but something has to be in the works between Kadri, Dobson, Romanov, etc.

It’s so hard to tell. For every kid who is just dominating less developed players there is an Anders Lee or even Mark Stone. I’m not even saying that’s what Dufour is. Just saying there r lots of bigger forwards who r late bloomers.
Also Dufour can PK and play center at the junior level which makes me feel a little better about his all around game.