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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 4, 2022
Published: Aug. 4, 2022
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Thoughts?

Who says no on these trade?

I assume they would resell Severson at the TDL.
Trades
1.
2.
WPG
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Norlinder, Mattias
  3. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (COL)
  5. 2025 3rd round pick (MTL)
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top 5 protected
3.
NJD
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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23$82,500,000$81,337,498$1,132,500$5,490,000$1,162,502
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
C
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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UFA - 3
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LD
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UFA - 4
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$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 1
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4
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$875,000$875,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
G
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$507,500$508K)
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 2

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Aug. 4, 2022 at 4:59 a.m.
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Hard pass for Jets why are you adding top 5 protected on Floridas pick..
Aug. 4, 2022 at 5:00 a.m.
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Quoting: Jets12Kozy
Hard pass for Jets why are you adding top 5 protected on Floridas pick..


Why a hard pass from Jets? And just in case the pick ends up being top 5? Weirder stuff has happened in sports before. Teams get massacred by injuries and good teams on paper to start the year get crushed. Happens every few years. Heck happened to Tampa several years back.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 5:01 a.m.
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Oilers say no.
NJ says no, especially if there is no retention on Drouin
Winnipeg accepts if the first rnd pick isnt protected
Aug. 4, 2022 at 5:03 a.m.
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Quoting: TMLBRIAN
Why a hard pass from Jets? And just in case the pick ends up being top 5? Weirder stuff has happened in sports before. Teams get massacred by injuries and good teams on paper to start the year get crushed. Happens every few years. Heck happened to Tampa several years back.


Uhm because that gives this bad offer even less worth why would they make this trade is the real question. Is Dvorak some kind of secret god?
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 5:05 a.m.
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Quoting: ceeque84
Oilers say no.
NJ says no, especially if there is no retention on Drouin
Winnipeg accepts if the first rnd pick isnt protected


Wpg does not accept even if its unprotected its still a projected late 1st
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 5:06 a.m.
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Quoting: Jets12Kozy
Wpg does not accept even if its unprotected its still a projected late 1st


You are right. My bad, I didnt realize it was Florida's pick and not Montreal's.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 5:13 a.m.
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Devils for sure say no. Drouin isn't worth his contract, and even if you say it's potential, the Devils could get more for Severson at the deadline.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 5:55 a.m.
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Jersey and Edmonton say no. I think the Winnipeg one is fair value I just don't know exactly what they would want for pld.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 8:20 a.m.
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Quoting: Jets12Kozy
Wpg does not accept even if its unprotected its still a projected late 1st


Serious question here, what do you think the Jets are going to get for Dubois at either the 2023 TDL or the 2024 TDL? He is a rental for both years and only contending teams will be in on him, therefore any 1st they get back will be a late 1st! Dvorak averages about 35 points per season, Dubois averages about 45 points per season (I averaged both players totals over 5 seasons throwing out PLD's 5 game season and Dvorak's 20 game season). PLD is the better player offensively but not a whole lot (10 points per season is the difference), defensively they are pretty equal and in the faceoff circle it's not even close Dvorak kills Dubois 52.4 to 44.6. All this to say that value wise between Dvorak and Dubois you are looking at a difference of a 1st + 2nd or for Dvorak and a 1st + 2nd + 3rd or 2 1sts for Dubois . You aren't getting a kings ransom because Dubois 1. Has already said he isn't signing long term anywhere right now. 2. He just is not much better than Dvorak to begin with.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 8:44 a.m.
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Jets don't want or need another Norlinder type dman, replace him with a different prospect that's not a LHD unless it's Guhle but you probably don't want to trade him.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 8:50 a.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
Serious question here, what do you think the Jets are going to get for Dubois at either the 2023 TDL or the 2024 TDL? He is a rental for both years and only contending teams will be in on him, therefore any 1st they get back will be a late 1st! Dvorak averages about 35 points per season, Dubois averages about 45 points per season (I averaged both players totals over 5 seasons throwing out PLD's 5 game season and Dvorak's 20 game season). PLD is the better player offensively but not a whole lot (10 points per season is the difference), defensively they are pretty equal and in the faceoff circle it's not even close Dvorak kills Dubois 52.4 to 44.6. All this to say that value wise between Dvorak and Dubois you are looking at a difference of a 1st + 2nd or for Dvorak and a 1st + 2nd + 3rd or 2 1sts for Dubois . You aren't getting a kings ransom because Dubois 1. Has already said he isn't signing long term anywhere right now. 2. He just is not much better than Dvorak to begin with.


Apparently some team will beat this offer for Dubois at one of the next two trade deadlines.
I don't see it but there's many Jets fans that seem entrenched in that belief.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 9:14 a.m.
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Severson would get higher return at deadline, so NJD would just keep him until then. Still a chance we could extend him too.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 9:16 a.m.
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All teams that aren't Montreal easily say no.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 9:36 a.m.
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Quoting: Jets12Kozy
Hard pass for Jets why are you adding top 5 protected on Floridas pick..

Cause ever since the Ottawa followed by the SJ thing happened most trades involve some kind of lottery protection for the "what if" part of life?

Quoting: Jets12Kozy
Uhm because that gives this bad offer even less worth why would they make this trade is the real question. Is Dvorak some kind of secret god?

Is PLD some kind of secret god? Dude has a .66 career ppg, his ethic hasn't always been a point of emphasis in his game but he's 6'3" so this site thinks he's the greatest center alive.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 10:12 a.m.
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Jets Decline
Aug. 4, 2022 at 11:03 a.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
Serious question here, what do you think the Jets are going to get for Dubois at either the 2023 TDL or the 2024 TDL? He is a rental for both years and only contending teams will be in on him, therefore any 1st they get back will be a late 1st! Dvorak averages about 35 points per season, Dubois averages about 45 points per season (I averaged both players totals over 5 seasons throwing out PLD's 5 game season and Dvorak's 20 game season). PLD is the better player offensively but not a whole lot (10 points per season is the difference), defensively they are pretty equal and in the faceoff circle it's not even close Dvorak kills Dubois 52.4 to 44.6. All this to say that value wise between Dvorak and Dubois you are looking at a difference of a 1st + 2nd or for Dvorak and a 1st + 2nd + 3rd or 2 1sts for Dubois . You aren't getting a kings ransom because Dubois 1. Has already said he isn't signing long term anywhere right now. 2. He just is not much better than Dvorak to begin with.


Dvorak has averaged 0.5 ppg and Dubois 0.66 ppg since coming into the season. Dubois is two years younger and has a ton more potential. Dvorak at 26 looks to max out at around a 40 point guy and is not really worth his contract. Not saying good awful or a cap dump but just over paid by a little bit. Dubois has shown the potential to be a ppg player if not more. I will admit that Dubois forcing his way out Columbus is a huge douchebag move but this situation in Winnipeg isn't that ridiculous. He told the team he won't sign long term, players do that all the time of they don't want to play in that city. Any team trading for him will likely already have an extension on paper. Now value wise this trade isn't awful but they will get something more to their needs than this.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 11:05 a.m.
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Severson would get higher return at deadline, so NJD would just keep him until then. Still a chance we could extend him too.


I agree, look at what Chiarot got. I personally think Severson is better and plays the right side so return should be decent without having to take a bad contract back.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:31 p.m.
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Dadonov has a no-trade clause. norlinder, nobody wants it.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:33 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
All teams that aren't Montreal easily say no.

As usual.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:39 p.m.
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Cause ever since the Ottawa followed by the SJ thing happened most trades involve some kind of lottery protection for the "what if" part of life?


Is PLD some kind of secret god? Dude has a .66 career ppg, his ethic hasn't always been a point of emphasis in his game but he's 6'3" so this site thinks he's the greatest center alive.


I mean, Montreal just paid a King's ransom for Dach, who is *check's notes* a career 0.39 P/GP scorer. But he's 6'4, so...
Aug. 4, 2022 at 7:48 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Apparently some team will beat this offer for Dubois at one of the next two trade deadlines.
I don't see it but there's many Jets fans that seem entrenched in that belief.


They can easily get both a better Nhler and/or actually useful/legit prospect plus pick. Dubois is 10x the player Dvorak is already plus potential being younger. Again why would the Jets take this deal nothing in it for them at all.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 8:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Jets12Kozy
They can easily get both a better Nhler and/or actually useful/legit prospect plus pick. Dubois is 10x the player Dvorak is already plus potential being younger. Again why would the Jets take this deal nothing in it for them at all.


Okay, start making some posts of what these potential returns for Dubois will be then.

This is not a nothing return AND Dubois' value will be down around the league with his intentions being well known, why so many want to disregard that Idk.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 8:03 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Okay, start making some posts of what these potential returns for Dubois will be then.

This is not a nothing return AND Dubois' value will be down around the league with his intentions being well known, why so many want to disregard that Idk.


Like Tkachuks value was down? I've made plenty of posts
Aug. 4, 2022 at 8:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Jets12Kozy
Like Tkachuks value was down? I've made plenty of posts


Tkachuk was a different scenario, no comparison really.

You've made plenty of Dubois trade posts?

Sorry I haven't seen them if you have.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 8:55 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Tkachuk was a different scenario, no comparison really.

You've made plenty of Dubois trade posts?

Sorry I haven't seen them if you have.


Posted some now for you
 
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