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i had a dream last night that the Pens made this trade

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Team: 2022-23 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 4, 2022
Published: Aug. 4, 2022
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never been more happy to wake up
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:00 p.m.
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Funksoljah
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Looks more like a nightmare.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:02 p.m.
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mTl dEcLiNe wE aReNt tRaDiNg bIg bOdY jOsH
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Funksoljah
Looks more like a nightmare.


Oh yeah, I think the amount of Josh Anderson trades on here seeped into my dreams lol
Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:12 p.m.
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Hughes likes Anderson and already said that if he was traded, it would be for an offer he can't refuse, meaning a big return.

Guentzel straight up for Anderson is interesting considering the contract length, but the immediate adding of 1M on our cap makes it hard to do. I think Hughes thinks hard about it tough.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:16 p.m.
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Hughes likes Anderson and already said that if he was traded, it would be for an offer he can't refuse, meaning a big return.

Guentzel straight up for Anderson is interesting considering the contract length, but the immediate adding of 1M on our cap makes it hard to do. I think Hughes thinks hard about it tough.


Hughes would do a lot more than think about it. Even if he's high on Anderson, Guentzel has scored 20+ in 5 straight seasons along with 16 his rookie season in 40 games. Scored 40 twice and is coming off an 84 point season in addition to being a year younger. That's robbery.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Funksoljah
Hughes would do a lot more than think about it. Even if he's high on Anderson, Guentzel has scored 20+ in 5 straight seasons along with 16 his rookie season in 40 games. Scored 40 twice and is coming off an 84 point season in addition to being a year younger. That's robbery.


This makes the Dubois trades look fair
Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Reff
Hughes likes Anderson and already said that if he was traded, it would be for an offer he can't refuse, meaning a big return.

Guentzel straight up for Anderson is interesting considering the contract length, but the immediate adding of 1M on our cap makes it hard to do. I think Hughes thinks hard about it tough.


PPG in the past 3 years:
Guentzel:
2021-22: 1.11
2020-21: 1.02
2019-20: 1.10

Anderson
2021-22: 0.46
2020-21: 0.46
2019-20: 0.15

Maybe Pittsburgh accepts if you throw in the whole province of Quebec
Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:27 p.m.
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Hughes likes Anderson and already said that if he was traded, it would be for an offer he can't refuse, meaning a big return.

Guentzel straight up for Anderson is interesting considering the contract length, but the immediate adding of 1M on our cap makes it hard to do. I think Hughes thinks hard about it tough.


Yes, if we were contenders, you'd be 150% right, Hughes would do it and send PIT flowers and a box of good champagne bottles. Problem is we're rebuilding and won't be competitive until 2024-2025. So trading Anderson for Guentzel means that his contract ends in 2 years, he'll be 30, and there's a good chance we lose him for nothing. Anderson will still be there on a 2nd/3rd line bringing grit and his share of goals.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:44 p.m.
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Yes, if we were contenders, you'd be 150% right, Hughes would do it and send PIT flowers and a box of good champagne bottles. Problem is we're rebuilding and won't be competitive until 2024-2025. So trading Anderson for Guentzel means that his contract ends in 2 years, he'll be 30, and there's a good chance we lose him for nothing. Anderson will still be there on a 2nd/3rd line bringing grit and his share of goals.


That also would mean you can ship Guentzel out at the TDL sooner for pieces that can also help your roster sooner. If they really wanted to get max value, they could retain 3 million for 2 years and flip Guentzel to a contender early. The return on that would be pretty ridiculous I'd imagine given how much Hagel returned. Either way you can garner prime assets sooner with Guentzel than you probably can with Anderson.
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.
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That also would mean you can ship Guentzel out at the TDL sooner for pieces that can also help your roster sooner. If they really wanted to get max value, they could retain 3 million for 2 years and flip Guentzel to a contender early. The return on that would be pretty ridiculous I'd imagine given how much Hagel returned. Either way you can garner prime assets sooner with Guentzel than you probably can with Anderson.


You're right, didn't think about flipping him next year lol
Aug. 4, 2022 at 3:53 p.m.
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J. Anderson 5yrs/$5.5 m age 28
21-22: GP-69 G-19 A-13 P-32 PpG-0.46
20-21: GP-52 G-17 A-7 P-24 PpG-0.46
19-20: GP-39 G-1 A-3 P-4 PpG-0.15

J. Guentzel 2yrs/$6.0m age 27
21-22: GP-76 G-40 A-44 P-84 PpG-1.11
20-21: GP-56 G-23 A-34 P-57 PpG-1.02
19-20: GP-39 G-20 A-23 P-43 PpG-1.10


M. Matheson 4yrs/$4.875 m age 28
M. Pettersson 5yrs/$4,025,175 age 26


Guentzel>>>>>>>>Anderson
Matheson=Pettersson (Matheson probably slightly better)

MTL total cap hit from this trade is $10,025,175 for 7 years
PIT total cap hit from this trade is $ 10,375,000 for 9 years

PIT adds more cap and term while getting older and way worse, but at least they get a 3rd pick. Yep this is a nightmare for the Penguins.
Aug. 4, 2022 at 4:09 p.m.
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Quoting: HillbillyPenguin88
J. Anderson 5yrs/$5.5 m age 28
21-22: GP-69 G-19 A-13 P-32 PpG-0.46
20-21: GP-52 G-17 A-7 P-24 PpG-0.46
19-20: GP-39 G-1 A-3 P-4 PpG-0.15

J. Guentzel 2yrs/$6.0m age 27
21-22: GP-76 G-40 A-44 P-84 PpG-1.11
20-21: GP-56 G-23 A-34 P-57 PpG-1.02
19-20: GP-39 G-20 A-23 P-43 PpG-1.10


M. Matheson 4yrs/$4.875 m age 28
M. Pettersson 5yrs/$4,025,175 age 26


Guentzel>>>>>>>>Anderson
Matheson=Pettersson (Matheson probably slightly better)

MTL total cap hit from this trade is $10,025,175 for 7 years
PIT total cap hit from this trade is $ 10,375,000 for 9 years

PIT adds more cap and term while getting older and way worse, but at least they get a 3rd pick. Yep this is a nightmare for the Penguins.


yeah idk why this is a discussion, it certainly was a nightmare for me
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Aug. 4, 2022 at 5:04 p.m.
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yeah idk why this is a discussion, it certainly was a nightmare for me


I don’t normally throw my 2 cents in but I just couldn’t help myself when I saw all the Montreal Canadien fans declining this. There is a scene in the movie, Mr. Deeds when Deeds gets his heart broke and decides he doesn’t want to be rich anymore. So, he decides to give his money away to the United Negro College Funds and when the guy sees it he has a heart attack in utter disbelief and joy.

I could imagine GM Kent Hughes having the same reaction if Pittsburgh ever offered this.
 
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