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Firesale if Philly is out of a playoff spot near deadline

Created by: PrisonMike
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 4, 2022
Published: Aug. 4, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Philadelphia Flyers
Team Explanation
IF, and a big IF, Philly is fully healthy and they're badly out of a playoff spot under Torts, a firesale could happen and retooling isn't working.
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. Sillinger, Cole
  2. 2023 1st round pick (CBJ)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (CBJ)
Additional Details:
IF Columbus is in a playoff spot.
CBJ
  1. Couturier, Sean
2.
PHI
  1. Primeau, Cayden [RFA Rights]
  2. Mesar, Filip
  3. Byron, Paul
  4. Allen, Jake
  5. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
Additional Details:
Given Price's injury history and recent issues, Hart might be the future goaltender. Byron and Allen traded purely for cap relief. IF Montreal is in a playoff spot near deadline.
MTL
  1. Hart, Carter
3.
PHI
  1. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Konecny, Travis
4.
PHI
  1. Bailey, Josh
  2. Wahlstrom, Oliver
  3. Räty, Aatu
  4. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
Bailey moved for cap issues then bought out possibly.
NYI
  1. Provorov, Ivan
5.
PHI
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYR)
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (COL)
NYR
  1. Atkinson, Cam
6.
PHI
  1. Hamonic, Travis
  2. 2024 1st round pick (OTT)
Additional Details:
Lottery protected
OTT
  1. Ellis, Ryan ($2,000,000 retained)
Additional Details:
If he returns to top 4 form.
7.
PHI
  1. Ruzicka, Adam [RFA Rights]
  2. 2023 1st round pick (CGY)
CGY
  1. Farabee, Joel
8.
PHI
  1. Smith, Mike
  2. Foegele, Warren
  3. Broberg, Philip
  4. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Smith Foegele cap dump
EDM
  1. Sanheim, Travis
9.
PHI
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (VAN)
  2. 2025 2nd round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Laughton, Scott
10.
PHI
  1. McMichael, Connor
  2. Hagelin, Carl
  3. Jensen, Nick
  4. 2023 1st round pick (WSH)
Additional Details:
Jensen and Hagelin moved for cap relief.
WSH
  1. Deangelo, Anthony
Buyouts
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: $0
  • Oskar Lindblom: -$333,333
  • Josh Bailey: $2,666,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Ryan Ellis: $2,000,000 (32%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$55,447,857$295,000$3,925,000$27,052,143
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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van Riemsdyk, James
$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Hayes, Kevin
$7,142,857
C
NTC
UFA - 4
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Hagelin, Carl
$2,750,000
LW
UFA - 1
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Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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MacEwen, Zack
$925,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
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Deslauriers, Nicolas
$1,750,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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McMichael, Connor
$863,333
LW, C
RFA - 2
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Sillinger, Cole
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
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Foegele, Warren
$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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Brink, Bobby
$925,000
RW
RFA - 2
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Frost, Morgan
$800,000
C
RFA - 1
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Wahlstrom, Oliver
$894,167
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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York, Cam
$880,833
LD
RFA - 1
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Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,100,000
RD
UFA - 5
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Smith, Mike
$2,200,000
G
UFA - 1
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Seeler, Nick
$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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Jensen, Nick
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Allen, Jake
$2,875,000
G
UFA - 1
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Broberg, Philip
$863,333
LD
RFA - 2
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Hamonic, Travis
$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Tippett, Owen
$1,500,000
RW
RFA - 2
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Braun, Justin
$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Aug. 4 at 7:32 p.m.
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WTF is that Habs trade?! LMFAO Montreal easily passes!
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Aug. 4 at 7:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Hockey_Mind
No way CBJ are moving Sillinger. Take him out and you’ve got a deal for the picks, maybe send some money back like Bean. Or Voracek.


couturier one of the best two way centres in the league, no way just a first and second rounder.
Aug. 4 at 7:36 p.m.
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Quoting: PrisonMike
Lol you don't think Provorov fetches a 1st round pick, being a top 4 dman who plays in all situations whose been on a bad team? I''l take out Walstrom and Raty, but I'm sure Lou would be interested in having a top 4 dcore in Pelech-Pulock, Provorov-Dobson, Romanov-Mayfield. Makes it one of the best in the league.


islanders didnt move the 13th overall pick for a 3rd pairing guy. We also have Salo, who is without a doubt going to be a full time NHL player. Only way we make this move is if we move Salo as a part of the deal.

But, Provorov isnt worth a 1st. he isnt. will he get one? Probably if a team is desperate. but he isnt that stature of player
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Aug. 4 at 7:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
WTF is that Habs trade?! LMFAO Montreal easily passes!


What I was thinking too. Allen has same number as Hart at almost half the cap hit yet somehow Montreal is giving up all kinds of extra. If Montreal is in the playoff spot near the deadline it is either because Price is playing, thus no need for Hart, or Price is hurt and Allen is the reason they are in a playoff race, so again, not trading him for Hart, forget about all the extra included.
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Aug. 4 at 7:50 p.m.
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Quoting: PrisonMike
couturier one of the best two way centres in the league, no way just a first and second rounder.


McDavid
MacKinnon
Matthews
Draislaitl
Bergeron
Barkov
Eichel
Malkin
Stamkos
RO’Reilly
Crosby
Kopitar
Point
Aho
Zabinenjad
Backstrom

Then maybe Couturier.

We all have different definitions of what “one of the best” means. He’s probably worth a prospect also, just can’t be Sillinger, Johnson, Marchenko, Jiricek, Cuelemans or Mateychuk.
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Aug. 4 at 7:52 p.m.
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Quoting: PrisonMike
couturier one of the best two way centres in the league, no way just a first and second rounder.


Agreed. CBJ a bad fit. Philly would have to heavily retain or take some significant cap back as well. And there is no situation they're moving Sillinger short of landing a top 20 player. None. They also won't be anywhere near the playoffs, so it's moot.

(God, it's been a decade and it still sets my teeth on edge that Couturier was taken with Columbus's pick for Jeff Carter)
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Aug. 4 at 7:56 p.m.
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Quoting: squashmaple
Agreed. CBJ a bad fit. Philly would have to heavily retain or take some significant cap back as well. And there is no situation they're moving Sillinger short of landing a top 20 player. None. They also won't be anywhere near the playoffs, so it's moot.

(God, it's been a decade and it still sets my teeth on edge that Couturier was taken with Columbus's pick for Jeff Carter)


Wouldn't worry about it. Columbus' future looks really bright with Jiricek, Sillinger, Johnson on the way as well.
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Aug. 4 at 8:25 p.m.
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This would be called Overvaluing the Players on your team. Everyone of these Flyers guys is not that good
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Aug. 4 at 11:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
Disagree. He’s not worth a first and Bailey. You can find a similar player on draft day.


Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
Wahlstrom and Raty then you could add Bode Wilde or a 2nd. Thats also the most that he would get. More likely just Bailey+First rounder


Just say islanders are not a good fit and move on. Provorov gets more than your counter offers easily
Aug. 4 at 11:16 p.m.
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Quoting: ReelBigFan
Just say islanders are not a good fit and move on. Provorov gets more than your counter offers easily


He didn’t play like he was worth more than that last year
Aug. 5 at 4:51 a.m.
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NYR doesn't have cap space. As much as I like Cam that is a huge no from NYR
Aug. 5 at 9:55 a.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
He didn’t play like he was worth more than that last year


People give him hell for no reason. They’d gladly pay double that for Chychrun who was only at a .05 PPG pace higher and had the same advanced stats. Statistically these two guys are identical… one is just 2M cheaper while also being fragile as hell…
His play was easily worth a first and a high prospect, just ACGM is filled with people who see one person say something and everyone repeats it like it’s true
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Aug. 5 at 9:58 a.m.
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Quoting: ReelBigFan
People give him hell for no reason. They’d gladly pay double that for Chychrun who was only at a .05 PPG pace higher and had the same advanced stats. Statistically these two guys are identical… one is just 2M cheaper while also being fragile as hell…
His play was easily worth a first and a high prospect, just ACGM is filled with people who see one person say something and everyone repeats it like it’s true


I have nothing against him. He’s just not a worth a first and a top prospect. Tbh Chychrun is incredibly overvalued too so I don’t like using him as a comparison lol.
Aug. 6 at 12:46 p.m.
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I have nothing against him. He’s just not a worth a first and a top prospect. Tbh Chychrun is incredibly overvalued too so I don’t like using him as a comparison lol.


Chychrun is definitely overvalued but that’s mainly because guys on here make offers of 2-3 firsts and several high prospects for him… but he probably gets a bit higher of a return than Provorov due to cap… granted if you’re a playoff team looking to go deep, Provorov is the better choice just because he has far less chance of getting hurt.

Islanders are just the wrong fit. It’s hard to find a top RHD in this league, with Dobson running the D there Pelech is a fantastic partner for him. But Provorov takes that 1LHD on a lot of teams. It’s just not a need for you. Romanov just got 13 OA, which is insane; and clearly Provorov gets more than him, but the islanders see something in him I guess and you’re not going to make a trade to put Romanov on 3LD…
Aug. 6 at 4:08 p.m.
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I would not even trade Sillinger alone for Couturier
Aug. 6 at 6:48 p.m.
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Quoting: ReelBigFan
Just say islanders are not a good fit and move on. Provorov gets more than your counter offers easily


he doesnt get more than that. No team is moving that much for him. Its not happening. he isnt that caliber of player.
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Aug. 6 at 7:24 p.m.
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A lot of these sorely over value the return those players would actually get, especially when you take into consideration cap struggles across the league and actual situational needs for the teams you’re moving those guys to.
Aug. 6 at 8:33 p.m.
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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
he doesnt get more than that. No team is moving that much for him. Its not happening. he isnt that caliber of player.


Lol, okay pal ; )
Aug. 6 at 10:25 p.m.
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Lol, okay pal ; )


ur a flyers fan. of course you think he gets a first, prospect and roster player lmao
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Aug. 7 at 12:01 a.m.
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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
ur a flyers fan. of course you think he gets a first, prospect and roster player lmao


Meh, a first and a high prospect definitely… I mean, you guys traded 13 OA for a much worse player lol.
Bailey in the above trade is a cap dump but I also don’t see Bailey as that. I think he has value, not a lot but enough that he gets a return
Aug. 7 at 9:27 a.m.
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Quoting: ReelBigFan
Meh, a first and a high prospect definitely… I mean, you guys traded 13 OA for a much worse player lol.
Bailey in the above trade is a cap dump but I also don’t see Bailey as that. I think he has value, not a lot but enough that he gets a return


just cuz we overpaid tf doesnt mean other teams will. Romanov also isnt getting paid 6.75 mil.
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Aug. 7 at 2:30 p.m.
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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
just cuz we overpaid tf doesnt mean other teams will. Romanov also isnt getting paid 6.75 mil.


While the Islanders don’t really need Provorov, there are several teams that could use him. A first and a good prospect is really not a bad asking price…
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Aug. 7 at 5:14 p.m.
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While the Islanders don’t really need Provorov, there are several teams that could use him. A first and a good prospect is really not a bad asking price…


why would a team move that much for an overpaid defenseman? like huh. u keep saying the same thing with no reasoning. what team would?
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Aug. 7 at 8:08 p.m.
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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
why would a team move that much for an overpaid defenseman? like huh. u keep saying the same thing with no reasoning. what team would?

Overpaid???
It’s really not a lot at all… for a top pair puck moving D, possibly 2nd pair if the team is deep.
Kings would if they can move 1-2 mill to fit him
Wings could use him but they’re too far out as of now
It’s not really hard to find a buyer at that price
Aug. 7 at 8:19 p.m.
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Overpaid???
It’s really not a lot at all… for a top pair puck moving D, possibly 2nd pair if the team is deep.
Kings would if they can move 1-2 mill to fit him
Wings could use him but they’re too far out as of now
It’s not really hard to find a buyer at that price


1.1 GAR, a career low. That has been decreasing each season since 19-20, has not surpassed a .5 ppg season in his career, with his career best happening in 17-18. He has only gotten worse defensively and has 3 more years left at 6.75.

For the record, his 1.1 GAR was good for 503rd in the NHL this season. His point per 60 of .946 was good for 124th in the NHL this season.

So why would a team move a 1st and prospect for an average, maybe above average overpaid defenseman?

Im not saying he wont get more than a 6th, but thats just not his value. If your answer is that some NHL GMs are stupid then sure, ill take that. But its not because he is a high caliber player
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