constantly amazed how many people want to trade for two of the central figures in covering up and ignoring a massive sex abuse scandal, and over pay for them at that!

right? like who wants leaders on their team who just turned a blind eye to that stuff for so long?

That might get Patrick Kane at 50% retention, But it sure as hell doesn't get both Kane and Toews at 50% retention.

toews and kane on the leafs? what do you want to make them even worse defensively?

That's waaaaaaay to much. Kane is still a superstar but it's just one year and who knows how much he has left in the tank. Toews I frankly doubt I even want at this point. I certainly wouldn't want to have to pay 2 teams to eat his salary just to get him at a palatable salary.

Do you really think Kane, at his age and his contract, and as a pending Ufa is going to get 2 firsts and a top prospect, and a good young defenseman and a prime aged player?

He'll get a first and a good but not top prospect and a prime aged player. If it's a top prospect it will drop to a second.

Toews is not going to return much.

Given their massive contracts retaining isn't something other teams are going to have to pay for, so much as just necessary to get a trade done

First off the odds of both even waiving for Toronto is probably slim to none.

Secondly Knies wont be dealt so he's a none-starter for two rentals, Sandin hype by Leaf fans is over-blown he's okay but he's not a world beater.Hawks have no use for Kerfoot and the 2 1st will be late in the mid to high 20's. Both by themselves can return a package far better than this.

You truly think Toews today with a 10+ million conract can get more than 2 firsts and a team's top prospect?

Toews still is somewhat reliable on that end

Kane was never meant to be good on that end even in his peak years