SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/NHL Signings

Vegas Golden Knights signed Nicolas Roy (5 Years / $3,000,000 AAV)

Was this a good signing?
The chart has been hidden

Poll Options


Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:25 a.m.
#26
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2021
Posts: 1,109
Likes: 847
Last year was a career year and if he regresses by any significant amount, then this will be a bad contract that they will have to give away assets to move. Since this is Vegas we are talking about, this is almost a 100% guarantee.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 5:27 a.m.
#27
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2021
Posts: 1,109
Likes: 847
Quoting: Scooter81
He just had a pretty good season getting one point less than 40 in 78 games.


That was his best season. If he regresses to the season before, then he will be a healthy scratch. ... Or to be accurate, on a normal team, he would be a healthy scratch. Vegas, doesn't have the luxury of having healthy scratches.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 8:53 a.m.
#28
Evans truther
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2019
Posts: 2,506
Likes: 1,432
Wouldn't be surprised to see Reilly go -as another cap casualty in Vegas- and Roy taking his spot in the top 6, there certainly is upside there.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 10:06 a.m.
#29
v5 CBJ GM
Avatar of the user
Joined: Feb. 2019
Posts: 15,844
Likes: 8,548
Five years at 3 mil is good value, similar to the whitecloud deal
Aug. 9, 2022 at 10:15 a.m.
#30
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 9,379
Likes: 3,695
Quoting: mondo
who is this and why are they making 15 million dollars


This is low end 3c money.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 10:18 a.m.
#31
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 9,379
Likes: 3,695
Quoting: CSStrowbridge
Last year was a career year and if he regresses by any significant amount, then this will be a bad contract that they will have to give away assets to move. Since this is Vegas we are talking about, this is almost a 100% guarantee.


That's low end 3c money. Having ones best season at 24 is normal, not like when someone suddenly does it at 29.

He's been a 0.35 or so ppg player until this past year jumping to 0.5. He's a good possession player.

I think this is a good calculated risk. If he continues to be a half ppg c, that's worth about 4.5 right now so there is good upside for the downside risk you mention.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 12:24 p.m.
#32
We are all equal
Avatar of the user
Joined: Feb. 2016
Posts: 442
Likes: 331
Over the cap by a lot yet again. When do they trade something of value for zippo again? We all know it's coming down the pipeline wink
Aug. 9, 2022 at 12:57 p.m.
#33
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2022
Posts: 1,289
Likes: 906
Quoting: weirfanno1
Over the cap by a lot yet again. When do they trade something of value for zippo again? We all know it's coming down the pipeline wink


Look I hate Vegas more than most (Avs fan); but they are not over the cap. Weber goes on LTIR and they are fine for now
Aug. 9, 2022 at 1:01 p.m.
#34
We are all equal
Avatar of the user
Joined: Feb. 2016
Posts: 442
Likes: 331
Quoting: HockeyScotty
By getting Weber's contract they already committed to "being an LTIR" team and NOT accruing deadline cap space


Weber is currently on LTIR and doesn't count towards the 5 plus million they are over the cap. If he were to come off LTIR then they would be even more over the cap with his 7,857,143 salary... three guys on injured reserve and another big ticket will have to be put on LTIR or a move will have to happen quickly.

Can't put a guy on LTIR already on LTIR...
Aug. 9, 2022 at 1:10 p.m.
#35
Avatar of the user
Joined: Feb. 2020
Posts: 17
Likes: 32
Quoting: weirfanno1
Weber is currently on LTIR and doesn't count towards the 5 plus million they are over the cap. If he were to come off LTIR then they would be even more over the cap with his 7,857,143 salary... three guys on injured reserve and another big ticket will have to be put on LTIR or a move will have to happen quickly.

Can't put a guy on LTIR already on LTIR...


Not true. CapFriendly has him listed on LTIR because he will go there, but technically LTIR is not active in offseason. Do the math and summarize individually players F,D,G,INJ and Weber and you will end up with $88,294,643 and that is PROJECTED CAP HIT listed on top.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 2:09 p.m.
#36
We are all equal
Avatar of the user
Joined: Feb. 2016
Posts: 442
Likes: 331
Quoting: Shock
Not true. CapFriendly has him listed on LTIR because he will go there, but technically LTIR is not active in offseason. Do the math and summarize individually players F,D,G,INJ and Weber and you will end up with $88,294,643 and that is PROJECTED CAP HIT listed on top.


I just did the math. Hmm maybe capfriendly should have him on IR not LTIR so it's not so miss leading...

With Weber 7,857,143 cap hit goes officially on LTIR on opening day it puts them just under. Hague when he gets his contract will push them a bit over so a move is going to still have to happen somewhere.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 2:56 p.m.
#37
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2020
Posts: 1,442
Likes: 728
Good signing.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 4:34 p.m.
#38
Banned
Avatar of the user
Joined: Sep. 2021
Posts: 12,418
Likes: 2,630
This should age well

Signed through his prime
Aug. 10, 2022 at 4:06 a.m.
#39
Avatar of the user
Joined: Aug. 2018
Posts: 6,310
Likes: 2,226
Very similar and same contract as Laughton got. Good deal.

But VGS is in some serious cap trouble, makes the eichel trade look even worse for VGS
Aug. 10, 2022 at 8:38 a.m.
#40
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2021
Posts: 1,038
Likes: 539
Quoting: weirfanno1
I just did the math. Hmm maybe capfriendly should have him on IR not LTIR so it's not so miss leading...

With Weber 7,857,143 cap hit goes officially on LTIR on opening day it puts them just under. Hague when he gets his contract will push them a bit over so a move is going to still have to happen somewhere.


Yeah, it took me a while to figure that out too. You just have to remember that Cap Friendly always includes LTIR players in its Projected Cap Hit number. I think this is because of the way the CBA is written. It doesn’t say the LTIR players don’t count against the cap. It says that teams with players on LTIR are allowed to exceed the cap by the players’ AAV. This may sound like the same thing, but it’s not quite. For example, if you have a $7M AAV player on LTIR, but you only use $5M of that, even though you have an additional $2M you can spend, you’re still considered over the cap. You don’t get to accrue that $2M. This is different from actually being $2M under the cap.

So a team that is using LTIR to exceed the cap will always show as having no cap space, but this doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t spend more. To figure out how much they have available to spend, normally you can look at the difference between the Projected LTIR Used line and the total AAV of the players who are on LTIR. However, it looks like Cap Friendly doesn’t provide a Projected LTIR Used number in the off-season, so to figure out how much AAV a team that is over the cap now can add or needs to subtract, look at the Projected Cap Space, which will be a negative number, combine that with the total AAV of the players you think are going to be on LTIR, and if the difference is a positive number, then they can add more cap hit to the tune of that amount. If it’s negative, then unless somebody else goes on LTIR they’ll need to unload cap hit from among their healthy players.

As of today, Vegas’s Projected Cap Space is -5,794,643. Weber’s AAV is 7,857,143, so assuming Weber stays on LTIR, they are cap compliant now, and they can spend an additional $2,062,500 AAV and still be compliant.
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Loading animation
Submit Poll Edit