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Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 9, 2022
Published: Aug. 9, 2022
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This team is tougher to play against because they’re tougher to score against. They get out of the first round
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Anywhere really. Absolute waste of 2.25 million dollars to resign him
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Should have signed him
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  1. Murray, Matt
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  1. Kuemper, Darcy
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Should have signed him
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 3:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
The other option is all 4 of the big 4 go on fire for the playoffs lol.


Scary thing is, they kinda just did:
Matthews 9 points in 7 games
Marner 8 points in 7 games
Nylander 7 points in 7 games
Tavares 6 points in 7 games
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 3:44 p.m.
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Scary thing is, they kinda just did:
Matthews 9 points in 7 games
Marner 8 points in 7 games
Nylander 7 points in 7 games
Tavares 6 points in 7 games


Scratch that, game 7 then.
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Aug. 9, 2022 at 4:29 p.m.
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Yes, and all Habs fans love each other.

This is what you get when you are an original 6 franchise


We are a fun loving group who enjoy the occasional riot
Aug. 9, 2022 at 6:20 p.m.
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Is there a more history revisionist trade than Kadri? It just cracks me up that’s the stance when it occurred Leaf fans were crowing about how Dubas took Sakic to the wood shed and how genius it was that he got the Avs to retain on Barrie.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 10:11 p.m.
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Is there a more history revisionist trade than Kadri? It just cracks me up that’s the stance when it occurred Leaf fans were crowing about how Dubas took Sakic to the wood shed and how genius it was that he got the Avs to retain on Barrie.


No stupid ones like the guy in this very thread were the ones doing that. Real leafs fans who exist outside of cap friendly know Dubas is an overrated GM
Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:15 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
In the playoffs, the Leafs’ bottom six – which included some combination of Ilya Mikheyev, Pierre Engvall, David Kampf, Ondrej Kase, Colin Blackwell, Jason Spezza, Kyle Clifford, and Wayne Simmonds – combined for three goals, and Mikheyev scored two empty netters. By comparison, Tampa Bay’s bottom six of Ross Colton, Nick Paul, Branden Hagel, Corey Perry, Pierre-Edouard Bellemare, and Patrick Maroon combined for 10 goals (no empty netters). However we slice it, the gap in depth scoring was significant.

In the playoff previous, the Leafs’ bottom six contributed four goals – Jason Spezza scored three of them, and one came when he moved into the top six. Joe Thornton scored the other on the power play. In the year before against Columbus, the only bottom-six forward (in terms of time on ice) to score at all was Nick Robertson.

This has been a consistent problem for three years running under this management regime. The difference this past playoff is that the top forwards were full marks for producing. While we hear all the time that a team lives and dies by its stars – which is largely true – when the gap is this tight between top teams, every single player matters.

In previous years, the Leafs loaded the first line with ice time – because they had nothing in the bottom six – and it gassed their top players. This year, they did have some substance in the bottom six – specifically, the third line was legitimately solid – but they weren’t able to provide much offensively. The fourth line was generally a nonfactor outside of taking penalties.


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But yes, lets add more toughness


You can't compare bottom 6 production...its a useless comparison because is so highly depends on the strength of defense from the opposition and everyone knows the Leafs don't have a defensive depth. So are you honestly surprised Tampa's bottom 6 outscored the Leafs? Come on, you're failing to look at the entire picture.

Nobody said anything about toughness. I said, the Leafs need better defense. They don't have the defense depth period. Giordano as your 2nd pairing??? Giordano is a 3rd liner or 7th man on great teams. That's just flat out bad. Brodie, who's a fine defenseman as your first pairing? He's a 2nd pairing on most good teams.

If you want to argue about possession, that's fine, but when the average playoff team over the last 10 years needs 3.2 goals to win a playoff game, it's clear scoring is not the problem for the Leafs. If you have great defensive depth and pretty good goaltending or alternatively solid defensive depth and great goaltending, 3 goals wins a game no problem in the playoffs. The leafs have struggled with both and that's why scoring 3 goals or more couldn't close out a series for them.
Aug. 9, 2022 at 11:19 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
lol, no, they lost because they havent scored in critical times, the leafs have never had an issue shutting other teams down.
Goals per game vs Tampa for Colorado 3.33
Goals per game vs Tampa for Toronto 3.43
Goals against per game vs Tampa for Colorado 2.5
Goals agains per game vs Tampa for Toronto 3.3

Less than a goal per game extra against. That is literally nothing over a 6 or 7 game sample. It's the difference between one bad game either way


Thank you for just proving my point. The average playoff game winner over the last 10 years, needs 3.2 goals to win a game. Giving up a goal in a playoff game is critical...bottom line and even more critical when players are exhausted in a series where defensive is highlighted moreso. When you don't have good defensive depth, you're fried and that's what the Leafs don't have. Giordano, who's a 3rd pairing at best on a great team...maybe even 7th man, on the 2nd line on the Leafs. Brodie, a fine 2nd liner, is a first liner on the Leafs. The Leafs defensive depth is simply not good enough to succeed in the playoffs. The Leafs don't have problems scoring 3 or 4 goals, the Leafs have problems not letting the other team score 3 or 4 goals.
Aug. 10, 2022 at 6:38 a.m.
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Thank you for just proving my point. The average playoff game winner over the last 10 years, needs 3.2 goals to win a game. Giving up a goal in a playoff game is critical...bottom line and even more critical when players are exhausted in a series where defensive is highlighted moreso. When you don't have good defensive depth, you're fried and that's what the Leafs don't have. Giordano, who's a 3rd pairing at best on a great team...maybe even 7th man, on the 2nd line on the Leafs. Brodie, a fine 2nd liner, is a first liner on the Leafs. The Leafs defensive depth is simply not good enough to succeed in the playoffs. The Leafs don't have problems scoring 3 or 4 goals, the Leafs have problems not letting the other team score 3 or 4 goals.


lol, no it doesnt prove your point. it simply proves that over a 6.5 game sample the team that won the cup allowed less than a goal a game difference to a team that didnt. That literally means nothing, if you knew anything about sample sizes you'd know that
Aug. 10, 2022 at 12:46 p.m.
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lol, no it doesnt prove your point. it simply proves that over a 6.5 game sample the team that won the cup allowed less than a goal a game difference to a team that didnt. That literally means nothing, if you knew anything about sample sizes you'd know that


And if you knew anything about sample size, then you'd address my comment that over a 10 year sample, 3.2 goals are what it takes to win a playoff game on average but doesn't fit the narrative you are pushing.

Leafs don't have issues scoring 3 goals a game, they have issues keeping the other team from scoring 3 or more goals though as YOU pointed out.
Aug. 10, 2022 at 12:50 p.m.
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And if you knew anything about sample size, then you'd address my comment that over a 10 year sample, 3.2 goals are what it takes to win a playoff game on average but doesn't fit the narrative you are pushing.

Leafs don't have issues scoring 3 goals a game, they have issues keeping the other team from scoring 3 or more goals though as YOU pointed out.


So tampa obviously needs more defense to be a contender since they allowed more goals than the leafs during that series eh?
Aug. 10, 2022 at 8:48 p.m.
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So tampa obviously needs more defense to be a contender since they allowed more goals than the leafs during that series eh?


Which series? Leafs didn't play the Avs so hard to compare, but there is no question the Avs had better defense in that series....eh lol
Aug. 10, 2022 at 9:07 p.m.
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Which series? Leafs didn't play the Avs so hard to compare, but there is no question the Avs had better defense in that series....eh lol


the leafs series, by your own words goals against per game from that one series are more than enough to say a team needs to upgrade defense or they'll never be competitive, So Tampa has to do it!
And yes, there is lots of questions if the avs were better defensivly in their series, at least if you're using goals against per game, but then you dont even bring in goaltending where Kuemper had a 907 to campbell's 897 which would add up to 3 less goals against over the series. Huh, so that would narrow the 'defence' issue to another half a goal give or take a game. So now the Leafs defense is soooo much worse than the avs that they allowed less than half a goal a game over 6.5 games! These are literal white noise numbers.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:20 a.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
the leafs series, by your own words goals against per game from that one series are more than enough to say a team needs to upgrade defense or they'll never be competitive, So Tampa has to do it!
And yes, there is lots of questions if the avs were better defensivly in their series, at least if you're using goals against per game, but then you dont even bring in goaltending where Kuemper had a 907 to campbell's 897 which would add up to 3 less goals against over the series. Huh, so that would narrow the 'defence' issue to another half a goal give or take a game. So now the Leafs defense is soooo much worse than the avs that they allowed less than half a goal a game over 6.5 games! These are literal white noise numbers.


Tampa has better defense and mainly defensive depth then the Leafs, that's why they scored more then the Leafs could...it's simple. The Leafs have weak defensive depth, that's why Tampa's bottom 6 could take advantage of them.

You are running a fool's errand trying to compare how Tampa played against the Avs and how Tampa played against the Leafs; you are talking about multiple rounds later where players/teams are much more worn down; I know playoff hockey isn't your specialty and all, but it's a way different game then regular season hockey. Defense, goal tending, special teams, physicality, and possession mean everything in playoff hockey...goals come as a result of doing those other things done right first.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 6:19 a.m.
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Tampa has better defense and mainly defensive depth then the Leafs, that's why they scored more then the Leafs could...it's simple. The Leafs have weak defensive depth, that's why Tampa's bottom 6 could take advantage of them.

You are running a fool's errand trying to compare how Tampa played against the Avs and how Tampa played against the Leafs; you are talking about multiple rounds later where players/teams are much more worn down; I know playoff hockey isn't your specialty and all, but it's a way different game then regular season hockey. Defense, goal tending, special teams, physicality, and possession mean everything in playoff hockey...goals come as a result of doing those other things done right first.


No, tampa allowed more goals than the leafs in that series. That is the bar you are using as a measuring stick.
The leafs allowed x goals in a series more than colorado did in another series = leafs need defence.
Tampa allows more in that same series = tampa needs more defense.
So either that number means something or it doesnt.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 9:12 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
No, tampa allowed more goals than the leafs in that series. That is the bar you are using as a measuring stick.
The leafs allowed x goals in a series more than colorado did in another series = leafs need defence.
Tampa allows more in that same series = tampa needs more defense.
So either that number means something or it doesnt.


Yes, because the Avs are a far better team then the Leafs. Special teams is a big factor in that. The Leafs also scored only 1 less goal then the Avs but the Avs win the Stanley Cup while the Leafs suffer another first round exit...but hey, the Leafs need more scoring...forget the fact that Giordano isn't a 2nd liner, or Brodie isn't a top pairing
Aug. 11, 2022 at 10:08 p.m.
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Yes, because the Avs are a far better team then the Leafs. Special teams is a big factor in that. The Leafs also scored only 1 less goal then the Avs but the Avs win the Stanley Cup while the Leafs suffer another first round exit...but hey, the Leafs need more scoring...forget the fact that Giordano isn't a 2nd liner, or Brodie isn't a top pairing


yeah, colorado is so much better they allowed 0.02 less than the did in the 1st round against tampa. And edmonton is a much worse team than tampa is.
Clearly, based on that one round, colorado needs to add defence too or they'll never win anything
Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:40 a.m.
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yeah, colorado is so much better they allowed 0.02 less than the did in the 1st round against tampa. And edmonton is a much worse team than tampa is.
Clearly, based on that one round, colorado needs to add defence too or they'll never win anything


Colorado wasn't dealing with injuries the first round? Hmmm Furthermore, Colorado's defense isn't 38 years old, they rely on a speedy defensive zone transition game, totally different setup. Avs defense is far and away a better unit then the Leafs...you'd be silly to argue otherwise.
Aug. 12, 2022 at 6:31 a.m.
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Colorado wasn't dealing with injuries the first round? Hmmm Furthermore, Colorado's defense isn't 38 years old, they rely on a speedy defensive zone transition game, totally different setup. Avs defense is far and away a better unit then the Leafs...you'd be silly to argue otherwise.


nope, your entire point is that one single playoff round means that the leafs need defense despite the issue being scoring depth for years. You set that boundry, despite 7 or less games of goals against being a hilariously small sample size jam packed with white noise that makes such a number absolutely useless. So, yeah if you wanna pretend that 7 games against a team like tampa in one scenario means it all, you cant just pretend that a similar sample size of another team vs the leafs, or edmonton or another high scoring team doesnt mean the same.
You set this measuring stick, not me, so you talk to yourself if you dont like it very much
Aug. 12, 2022 at 5:27 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
nope, your entire point is that one single playoff round means that the leafs need defense despite the issue being scoring depth for years. You set that boundry, despite 7 or less games of goals against being a hilariously small sample size jam packed with white noise that makes such a number absolutely useless. So, yeah if you wanna pretend that 7 games against a team like tampa in one scenario means it all, you cant just pretend that a similar sample size of another team vs the leafs, or edmonton or another high scoring team doesnt mean the same.
You set this measuring stick, not me, so you talk to yourself if you dont like it very much


What other sample do the Leafs have besides one round? LMAO Not my fault that's the only sample size.

But hey, you're right. Brodie is definitely a 1st liner, Giordano at age 38 a 2nd liner, and the 3rd line...well that's AHL/NHL tweeners; Leafs defense is just fine with that depth but at the same time Tampa's bottom 6 was successful at scoring on the lack of defensive depth...doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out!
Aug. 12, 2022 at 6:05 p.m.
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What other sample do the Leafs have besides one round? LMAO Not my fault that's the only sample size.

But hey, you're right. Brodie is definitely a 1st liner, Giordano at age 38 a 2nd liner, and the 3rd line...well that's AHL/NHL tweeners; Leafs defense is just fine with that depth but at the same time Tampa's bottom 6 was successful at scoring on the lack of defensive depth...doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out!


it's almost like the entire point was that your 'evidence' that the leafs defense was the issue was meaningless or something. And yeah, the Leafs defense has put up great results with all these "liners" they have playing on their 1st and 2nd pairing . I mean, Brodie had the 2nd most ice time (ie top pairing ice time) and produced great results. Holl also had good results on....oh my god 2nd pairing ice time! GASP AND EXCLAIM! Mark Giordano did too! Oh no!
So yeah, nice of you to admit that you got nothing and your points have literally no actual merit.
 
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