Agree on most, but I think everyone knows how good Barkov is now

I’ve seen lists that don’t have him as a top 20 player in the league or top 10 forward

an odd, yet oddly even, mix of no duh they are good (Barkov/Pavelski), under rated (JEE/Barbashev) and just bad (matheson) players

As I just said Barkov is underrated by a lot of hockey fans who don’t even realize he’s a top 10 forward. Paveski for as long as he’s been playing isn’t respected enough for just how good a player he is within this generation of players. In the Sid and Ovi era few forwards can match him. Matheson is one of the best skaters in the league and he is a better 5 on 5 defenceman than some other names you probably think are good

Barkov isnt under rated by anyone. Not being a top 10 forward when he is, at best the 8th best forward in the league is not being under rated. The dude hasnt been under rated in years, everyone who knows he exists knows how good he is.
Mathesson is not good, he had his numbers spike in one season with the Pens because of their offensive support, it is very unlikely he can do that long term. If anything he is vastly over rated because of last season.

Explain to me how he had more even strength points than Nurse, Heiskanen, Seider, Chabot, Brodie, Hamilton, Pietrangelo, and Pesce despite playing less minutes? He even had more than his teammate Marino who average 2 more minutes a game

Matheson is very underrated. His stats spiked with us cause we actually know how to manage players. Schultz, Maata, Matheson all had their best seasons with the pens because we have that staff

explain to me how Pierre Engvall had the same amount of even strength points as Josh Anderson in more than 5 mins less of ice time per game

if you've been in the NHL for 7 years and you have one good season in your most recent one at age 28, it's an aberration 99.9% of the time, and if you're basing your opinion on a guy on that one season then you are over rating him

They revitalized Ceci too

2 seasons lmao. His past 2 season (ever since coming to the pens) have been phenomenal. He is a great skater and is probably top 10 in that category.

What the heck is the relevance of that?

you tell me, you're the one whose saying 5v5 points in one season mean a player is good or under rated or something.

no, his last season was pretty good, his first season with the pens was not. it was better than the panthers, but he was not good and was certainly not phenomenal. He can skate, sure, but he's not very good at the rest of the game according to the significant majority of his career

I think Hagel is overrated based it's only 1 year of an extremely high shooting percentage playing with Kane. Didn't do squat for TB in the regular season or the Toronto series. That puts the he had a broken foot excuse to rest got that in the Florida series

Ok, go ahead and use his FLA years to hold him back. You have no reason to prove he isnt underrated. He has grown significantly from his first year as a penguin to now. He is a legit top 4 dman

yes, i will continue to use a players entire career to judge them as a player, that's how it works. especially when the entire point is how he's 'under rated'. I mean you are literally over rating him based off a single season, that is about as cut and dried as you can get for over rating him,and he can still be over rated if he's a legit top 4 defender.

How many times do I have to tell you. 2 seasons. He came to Pittsburgh and his game got so much better from FLA. Better defensively, a better skater, better offensively, more physical. He got so much better and most people would disagree with your thinking. A couple years ago Matheson was no more than a 3rd pairing overpayed dman, now hes a legit top 4 guy

how many times do i have to tell you. 1 season. He came to Pittsburgh and was mildly better in season one. He was not even close to half as good as you are pretending he was and then last year his numbers spiked. Lots of people think that the earth is flat and i disagee with them too. Hell, I think you alone have proven that not only is he not under rated, he's vastly vastly over rated, especially if there are lots of people who think that.

No, you just havent watched pens games. He did BETTER in season 1, and even better in season 2. I'm done arguing, you are clearly clueless

Nah, clearly you havent seen a single pens game with him in it or a panthers one before. He totally didnt get better. I know, I watched em. Watched more of em than you.

Lmao, I'm a pens fan. I watched every pens game that was on ESPN plus and the ones that weren't I watched on a live stream app. I watched at least 70 of the 82 games this season

well here's the thing, if you accuse people of not watching the games when you have no idea how many games they watch or who they watch, they get to do the same thing. So if you get to cop out my views because you want an easy out by saying i dont watch the games (which is incorrect) then i get to do the same. So nope, you dont watch the games and you cant prove otherwise

But no one is talking about those two players? It’s very random. I gave you some pretty good defenceman and some of them are in good teams who couldn’t score 5 on 5 like he could. You seem to just think he’s the guy in Florida who wasn’t performing

The shooting percentage playing with Kane is a pretty bad argument. It really doesn’t matter how good Kane is, shooting percentage is simply based on him converting his shots into goals and he did one hell of a job. It’s not like he’s going to struggle for good line mates in TB