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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #11 - Will Lamoriello ever announce Kadri's signing?

Aug. 16, 2022 at 3:46 p.m.
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He could put up 15G and 50pts in Ottawa and play on the right side with Chabot . But 2 1sts is a lot to give up , that’s not even mentioning if they want the prospect to be Pinto or Greig lol. If it’s JBD/Brann , then probably acceptable


he's also injury prone , I don't know how Arizona can justify asking for that much,
Aug. 16, 2022 at 3:48 p.m.
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chychrun square man chart

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my guy somehow managed to get a 89% ev defense on arizona. that will be 25 first round picks please
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 3:53 p.m.
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chychrun square man chart

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my guy somehow managed to get a 89% ev defense on arizona. that will be 25 first round picks please


The year before he had a strong offence and was above average defensively . He got taken off the top PP for Ghost. Arizona is a 1 line offence so I can see why he struggled to put up a lot of points. I think he would take off in Ottawa
Aug. 16, 2022 at 4:16 p.m.
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that's a lot to give up for a 2nd pair defenseman





He’s a 1st pair D and on a steal of a contract, that’s a pretty good package for both sides ( assuming AZ has to take Zaitsev back )
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 4:20 p.m.
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He’s a 1st pair D and on a steal of a contract, that’s a pretty good package for both sides ( assuming AZ has to take Zaitsev back )


If it’s not Greig or Pinto , then sure
Aug. 16, 2022 at 5:48 p.m.
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How is Draisaitl not a Tier 1 C? The only player with more points than him over the past 3 seasons is McDavid. And neither MacKinnon or Matthews have outscored him even for ONE of those 3 years. It's one thing to tell me that Matthews might be better due to his superior defense, but how is MacKinnon REMOTELY better than Draisaitl?! And to call the man a Tier 2 C?!


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MacKinnon is a better skater. Way more explosive. That's the only facet of the game he's better at. Draisaitl is far and away better.


Ok, I probably could make exception for Draisaitl over MacKinnon. But in that case I would have to tier it like this. The only reason for me MacKinnon is better is the playoff success. Although you could definitely make an argument based off last year for Draisaitl. My biggest argument against Draisaitl and the reason I believe he is #4 is because of Mcdavid. If EDM plays St.Louis, Boston, or Toronto. A team with an elite defensive center Draisaitl doesn't ever see that guy. You don't match Bergeron with Draisaitl and let Mcdavid run wild, I think there is an argument against Huberdeau using the same logic. Obviously those 4 are the clear top 4 and there is no doubt in my mind that in any month of the year one of them could easily be the best player in the world

McDavid
Matthews
Next Tier
Draisaitl
MacKinnon
Aug. 16, 2022 at 5:49 p.m.
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McDavid
Matthews
Mackinnon
Draisaitl
Crosby
Barkov
Point
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Everyone else
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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All these lists are wrong because the only centre better than Josh Norris is Tim Stutzle
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
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All these lists are wrong because the only centre better than Josh Norris is Tim Stutzle


Sens legend Curtis Lazar clears both easily
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:02 p.m.
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The year before he had a strong offence and was above average defensively . He got taken off the top PP for Ghost. Arizona is a 1 line offence so I can see why he struggled to put up a lot of points. I think he would take off in Ottawa


Considering that dumping Kassian cost a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd I'd day that deal is one that Ottawa would be foolish to pass up.

Chiarot got a 1st and 4th.

Chychrun with his contract and term should be a no brainer
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:02 p.m.
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Considering that dumping Kassian cost a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd I'd day that deal is one that Ottawa would be foolish to pass up.

Chiarot got a 1st and 4th.

Chychrun with his contract and term should be a no brainer


I’m not moving Greig and 2 1sts even if they take Zaitsev lol
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.
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that's a lot to give up for a 2nd pair defenseman





seems like a steal of a deal. zaitsev alone should cost a 1st to dump. i guess it depends on the prospect.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:05 p.m.
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Considering that dumping Kassian cost a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd I'd day that deal is one that Ottawa would be foolish to pass up.

Chiarot got a 1st and 4th.

Chychrun with his contract and term should be a no brainer


EDM got a 1st back in that Kassian deal that was only 3 spots later. It was closer to a 2nd + 3rd to dump Kassian
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:19 p.m.
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Sens legend Curtis Lazar clears both easily


Buffalo Sabres Face-off Specialist and Legend
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:30 p.m.
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EDM got a 1st back in that Kassian deal that was only 3 spots later. It was closer to a 2nd + 3rd to dump Kassian


Forgot about the one going back
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:33 p.m.
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Forgot about the one going back


Either way I agree with what you were saying about Ottawa

Zaitsev also has a higher cap hit than Kassian though so in OTT's case it probably costs a late 1st to dump him alone, then it just comes down to Chychrun for a 1st + top prospect which is reasonable imo
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:41 p.m.
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Considering that dumping Kassian cost a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd I'd day that deal is one that Ottawa would be foolish to pass up.

Chiarot got a 1st and 4th.

Chychrun with his contract and term should be a no brainer

The 1st was moving back 3 spots, there’s very little difference between Lamoureux and Schaefer as prospects imo (it’s totally reasonable to think that if the trade hadn’t occurred, they would’ve ended up on the same teams). And I would imagine the key here is locking in the 2023 1st for a team that didn’t make the playoffs last year. Like, the 2023 draft is crazy. You could get a 1st line centre outside the top 10. Playoff teams are gonna be getting top line wingers. Nobody is trading their 2023 pick without serious protection (top 10 at minimum, maybe top 16), especially not a team that missed the playoffs last season. I do still think Chychrun is worth a comparable package, but I imagine it’ll end up being something like Jarventie+2nd instead of the second 1st, or maybe put Formenton in the package and work out something around that.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:45 p.m.
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
Either way I agree with what you were saying about Ottawa

Zaitsev also has a higher cap hit than Kassian though so in OTT's case it probably costs a late 1st to dump him alone, then it just comes down to Chychrun for a 1st + top prospect which is reasonable imo


Ottawa is never doing that even if it included Zaitsev .
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:50 p.m.
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McDavid
Matthews
Mackinnon
Draisaitl
Crosby
Barkov
Point
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Everyone else


Luke Hughes
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Everyone else
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:54 p.m.
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Luke Hughes
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Everyone else


Luke Hughes is a Dman not a C lul
Aug. 16, 2022 at 6:54 p.m.
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Edited Aug. 16, 2022 at 7:05 p.m.
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Either way I agree with what you were saying about Ottawa

Zaitsev also has a higher cap hit than Kassian though so in OTT's case it probably costs a late 1st to dump him alone, then it just comes down to Chychrun for a 1st + top prospect which is reasonable imo


In general to me I feel Chycrun probs gets moved next offseason as teams like LA will have cap space to go get him and could use him rn

And man do they got a deep pool could give up a good prospect and never feel cheated

As to me Ottawa makes no sense as yes he can play RD but I dont see him being the partner Chabot needs. A more defensive defenseman is what they should go after. Someone like Soucy or Weegar would probs work better. Heck just stick with Zub
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 7:05 p.m.
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In general to me I feel Chycrun probs gets moved next offseason as teams like LA will have cap space to go get him and could use him rn

And man do they got a deep pool could give up a good prospect and never feel cheated

I mean unless they give up Byfield (very unlikely) or Clarke (probably not gonna happen either) it’s not like they’re gonna beat Ottawa’s offer. Greig is probably the best prospect both teams have that would be a possibility to get included in a Chychrun trade (Ottawa’s not giving up Pinto or Sanderson). And given how young our established top group of forwards is (plus Chabot/Sanderson), most of our prospect pool is expendable. The only caveat is that we have to keep at least one of JBD/Thomson, but I’m sure LA feels the same way about Clarke/Grans.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 7:07 p.m.
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I mean unless they give up Byfield (very unlikely) or Clarke (probably not gonna happen either) it’s not like they’re gonna beat Ottawa’s offer. Greig is probably the best prospect both teams have that would be a possibility to get included in a Chychrun trade (Ottawa’s not giving up Pinto or Sanderson). And given how young our established top group of forwards is (plus Chabot/Sanderson), most of our prospect pool is expendable. The only caveat is that we have to keep at least one of JBD/Thomson, but I’m sure LA feels the same way about Clarke/Grans.


Gonna get flak for this but LA should honestly explore Byfield trade as they got to many good C prospects and honestly I feel they are going a different direction and he hasnt caught up yet.

But he went 2nd OA yeah but hes not played like a 2OA yet and how long does LA want to wait
Aug. 16, 2022 at 7:11 p.m.
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LA should honestly explore Byfield trade as they got to many good C prospects and honestly I feel they are going a different direction and he hasnt caught up yet.

And its like but he went 2nd OA yeah but hes not played like a 2OA yet and how long does LA want to wait

Byfield was always gonna take longer to develop as one of the younger players in the class. He’s the type of guy you wait for until he hits, his size+skill+skating combo is unreal and he’s been hampered by injuries+COVID preventing him from playing in the OHL. I would bet a lot of money that he either doesn’t get traded, or LA regrets it. Having him in the pipeline makes guys like Turcotte expendable without a second thought lol
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 7:24 p.m.
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Gonna get flak for this but LA should honestly explore Byfield trade as they got to many good C prospects and honestly I feel they are going a different direction and he hasnt caught up yet.

But he went 2nd OA yeah but hes not played like a 2OA yet and how long does LA want to wait


He’s 19 lol
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