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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #11 - Will Lamoriello ever announce Kadri's signing?

Aug. 18, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
just speculation but probably the better of cgy/flordias 1st.


Quoting: Zuki9797
What’s the condition i wonder


Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Probably FLA 25 1st which was sent to CGY in the Tkachuk trade, FLA lottery protected it


Here are the conditions associated with the first-round selection acquired by Montreal:

1. In the event Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice is selection 20-32 (inclusive) (following the determination of the 2024 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall have the option, exercisable until 48 hours prior to the start of the 2024 NHL draft, to exchange the conditional 2025 or 2026 first round choice to become Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice); or,

If Florida's 2025 First (1st) Round Choice Transfers to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

2. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A) If both Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice (previously acquired by Calgary) are not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall receive the earlier of the two (2) stated choices; or,
B) If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection and Florida's 2025 first round selection (previously acquired by Calgary) is outside of the top-10 selections (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice).
If Florida's 2025 First Round Choice DOES NOT Transfer to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

3. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice, and additionally,

1) If Florida's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results); and,
2) Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice has been transferred to another NHL Club; and,
3) Florida's 2025 first round draft position is better than Calgary's 2025 first round draft position; then Calgary will transfer their own 2025 fourth round choice to Montreal.
B. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice, subject to the following condition below:

1) In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).

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Aug. 18, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
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Reading the conditions for the 1st rd pick ruined my day
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:00 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
4th, what the hell are the habs doing with all those forwards


jake evans wont be a 3c anymore more. dach maybe on the wing.

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maybe evans at the sean at 4c
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:02 p.m.
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Does anyone know the conditions for MTL to get the 2025 1st?
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:06 p.m.
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conditions (if i understand the page of conditions, like wtf)

if CGY's 2024 1st is within 20-32, habs can swap the pick for the 2024 1st

if CGY gets the FLA 2025 1st from the tkachuk trade:
if both CGY and FLA picks are NOT in the top ten, then MTL gets the earlier pick
if the CGY pick is in the top 10 and the FLA pick isn't in the top 10, then MTL gets the FLA pick

if CGY does NOT get the FLA 2025 1st from the tkachuk trade:

- if the 2025 CGY 1st isn't in the top 10, MTL gets the CGY 1st, and if all the following conditions are met:
> 2025 FLA 1st isn't in the top 10
> 2025 FLA 1st is traded to another team
> 2025 FLA 1st is higher than 2025 CGY 1st,
- then MTL gets 2025 CGY 4th

- if the 2025 CGY 1st IS in the top 10, MTL gets the CGY 1st, subject to the following condition:
> If CGY's 2025 1st is the FIRST OVERALL PICK, then CGY keeps their 2025 1st, and instead, MTL gets 2025 CGY 3rd, as well as a conditional 2026 1st round pick. the condition is that MTL will receive the better of CGY or FLA's 2026 1st
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Devil
Here are the conditions associated with the first-round selection acquired by Montreal:

1. In the event Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice is selection 20-32 (inclusive) (following the determination of the 2024 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall have the option, exercisable until 48 hours prior to the start of the 2024 NHL draft, to exchange the conditional 2025 or 2026 first round choice to become Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice); or,

If Florida's 2025 First (1st) Round Choice Transfers to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

2. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A) If both Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice (previously acquired by Calgary) are not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall receive the earlier of the two (2) stated choices; or,
B) If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection and Florida's 2025 first round selection (previously acquired by Calgary) is outside of the top-10 selections (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice).
If Florida's 2025 First Round Choice DOES NOT Transfer to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

3. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice, and additionally,

1) If Florida's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results); and,
2) Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice has been transferred to another NHL Club; and,
3) Florida's 2025 first round draft position is better than Calgary's 2025 first round draft position; then Calgary will transfer their own 2025 fourth round choice to Montreal.
B. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice, subject to the following condition below:

1) In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).

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I challenge everyone to memorize this doozy tears of joy
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Zuki9797
conditions (if i understand the page of conditions, like wtf)


seems like devil beat me to it, but i tried to write the conditions in english instead of NHL-official-talk
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:07 p.m.
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Does anyone know the conditions for MTL to get the 2025 1st?


Yes, but nobody understands them. We're gonna need a Lawyer to explain them.
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:07 p.m.
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jake evans wont be a 3c anymore more. dach maybe on the wing.

zuki
dvo/dach
sean
evans

maybe evans at the sean at 4c


they have like 4 3rd lines and a 4th line
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:08 p.m.
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like clockwork @juiceman



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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Zuki9797
conditions (if i understand the page of conditions, like wtf)

if CGY's 2024 1st is within 20-32, habs can swap the pick for the 2024 1st

if CGY gets the FLA 2025 1st from the tkachuk trade:
if both CGY and FLA picks are NOT in the top ten, then MTL gets the earlier pick
if the CGY pick is in the top 10 and the FLA pick isn't in the top 10, then MTL gets the FLA pick

if CGY does NOT get the FLA 2025 1st from the tkachuk trade:

- if the 2025 CGY 1st isn't in the top 10, MTL gets the CGY 1st, and if all the following conditions are met:
> 2025 FLA 1st isn't in the top 10
> 2025 FLA 1st is traded to another team
> 2025 FLA 1st is higher than 2025 CGY 1st,
- then MTL gets 2025 CGY 4th

- if the 2025 CGY 1st IS in the top 10, MTL gets the CGY 1st, subject to the following condition:
> If CGY's 2025 1st is the FIRST OVERALL PICK, then CGY keeps their 2025 1st, and instead, MTL gets 2025 CGY 3rd, as well as a conditional 2026 1st round pick. the condition is that MTL will receive the better of CGY or FLA's 2026 1st




My reaction trying to understand the conditions
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:09 p.m.
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NHL Conditions:

I'm Gonna write the Constitution and nobody is gonna understand them.
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:09 p.m.
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like clockwork juiceman





scott mayfield is a great choice
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:10 p.m.
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Kent Hughes has said Price's knee hasn't improved since the start of last season... yikes

Hughes doesn't expect to be ready for the start of the season.. Doesn't see a path to return this season...
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:10 p.m.
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like clockwork juiceman





No joke was thinking the same thing

As you got to think Lou has something planned right otherwise Isles fans will storm the management office and burn him at the stake
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:13 p.m.
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Honestly the Monahan trade conditions to sum it at the dumbest level remind me of NBA trade conditions

Overly complicated to just say you get 3 choices
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:13 p.m.
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he's finished
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:13 p.m.
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There it is
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:15 p.m.
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No joke was thinking the same thing

As you got to think Lou has something planned right otherwise Isles fans will storm the management office and burn him at the stake


You were thinking the isles plan is to trade Dobson for miller?
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:16 p.m.
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You were thinking the isles plan is to trade Dobson for miller?


No no not Dobson but I do feel Miller will be an Isle before training camps open if he doesnt sign an extension

No idea what a trade would look like but I feel we will see a hearing NYI have traded for Miller tweet by Friedman in the next couple of weeks
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
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So the Canucks can’t ever find a defensive RD to play with Hughes. So why not get a defensive LD which are easier to find and move Hughes to RD. Similar to Dahlin
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
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Monahan to LTIR hahah
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Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
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So the Canucks can’t ever find a defensive RD to play with Hughes. So why not get a defensive LD which are easier to find and move Hughes to RD. Similar to Dahlin


I heard they were after De-Haan last time I checked
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:22 p.m.
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No no not Dobson but I do feel Miller will be an Isle before training camps open if he doesnt sign an extension

No idea what a trade would look like but I feel we will see a hearing NYI have traded for Miller tweet by Friedman in the next couple of weeks


I don't think Miller will sign with the isles so I think a trade is unlikely. Im sure Lou wants miller but he wouldn't give up the assets required for 1 year of miller, even though that is ideal. I don't want miller on a long term deal.

I'd prefer to do nothing or target an undervalued forward like puljujarvi/milano, but the most that makes sense for miller is Mayfield, Holmstrom, 2023 1st for Miller and Schenn and a 3rd
Aug. 18, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.
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https://twitter.com/s7dsn/status/1560387712288374785?s=21&t=Of9awdmCslVmL3BW5_oUdA

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