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My top 5s all time

Created by: Kellen
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 10, 2022
Published: Aug. 10, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Custom Team
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Scratched guys are people I think could make the top 5
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
17$882,500,000$73,200,000$0$0$809,300,000
Left WingCenterRight Wing
Gretzky, Wayne
$2,000,000
Lemieux, Mario
$2,000,000
Logo of the PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Bossy, Mike
$2,000,000
Logo of the WSH
Ovechkin, Alex
$9,500,000
LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Orr, Bobby
$2,000,000
Hasek, Dominik
$2,000,000
Lindstrom, Nicklas
$2,000,000
Dryden, Ken
$2,000,000
Bourque, Ray
$2,000,000
Roy, Patrick
$2,000,000
Coffey, Paul
$2,000,000
Brodeur, Martin
$2,000,000
Keith, Duncan
$2,000,000
Logo of the TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
$9,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 6
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the COL
Makar, Cale
$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 5
Logo of the EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4

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Aug. 10 at 1:31 p.m.
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Jagr should 100% be someone here
Aug. 10 at 1:32 p.m.
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lidstrom>orr

longevity is a thing and lidstrom played in a way harder time, won a norris at 41, ketih isnt top 5
Aug. 10 at 1:34 p.m.
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Ovi and Bossy were some wicked good centers in their prime
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Aug. 10 at 1:34 p.m.
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I think I just lost brain cells reading this… those are your top 5 what exactly? Forwards to ever play? I hope it’s your favourite players and not an argument on those players actually being the best ever to play
Aug. 10 at 1:34 p.m.
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lidstrom>orr

longevity is a thing and lidstrom played in a way harder time, won a norris at 41, ketih isnt top 5


I couldn't figure out my 5th dman, had like 5 options, went with him.
Aug. 10 at 1:35 p.m.
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lidstrom>orr

longevity is a thing and lidstrom played in a way harder time, won a norris at 41, ketih isnt top 5


A way harder time? What?
Aug. 10 at 1:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Ovi and Bossy were some wicked good centers in their prime


think its pretty clear its forwards, d and goalie
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Aug. 10 at 1:36 p.m.
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A way harder time? What?


the players and game were much better in lidstroms time than in orrs
Aug. 10 at 1:38 p.m.
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Ovi and Bossy were some wicked good centers in their prime


Sorry you couldn't figure out it wasn't position specific.
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Aug. 10 at 1:40 p.m.
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think its pretty clear its forwards, d and goalie


was my sarcasm that ambiguous?
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Aug. 10 at 1:41 p.m.
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Jagr should 100% be someone here


Close but I'd rather have these 5, even if some didn't play as long. Understand having him in your top 5 though.
Aug. 10 at 1:44 p.m.
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the players and game were much better in lidstroms time than in orrs


I’m going to tell you how wrong that is because I lived through it. The Original Six Era was the most challenging level of hockey ever played on earth. Every single team could put out a top line every single shift. Every team had two starting goalies. The depth of those 6 teams talent wise has not been matched ever since and it can’t be matched. If you think I’m a crazy old guy ask yourself this, what would it look like today if you had 6 NHL teams? What’s a 4th line look like?
Aug. 10 at 1:50 p.m.
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Quoting: vr1995
the players and game were much better in lidstroms time than in orrs


Orr would've been better than Lidstrom in any era. Man won the Art Ross and nearly got to 1000 points in a shortened career.
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Aug. 10 at 1:51 p.m.
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Quoting: ReginaSask
I’m going to tell you how wrong that is because I lived through it. The Original Six Era was the most challenging level of hockey ever played on earth. Every single team could put out a top line every single shift. Every team had two starting goalies. The depth of those 6 teams talent wise has not been matched ever since and it can’t be matched. If you think I’m a crazy old guy ask yourself this, what would it look like today if you had 6 NHL teams? What’s a 4th line look like?


I'm guessing it would have some combination of 3 forwards.
Aug. 10 at 1:57 p.m.
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I’m going to tell you how wrong that is because I lived through it. The Original Six Era was the most challenging level of hockey ever played on earth. Every single team could put out a top line every single shift. Every team had two starting goalies. The depth of those 6 teams talent wise has not been matched ever since and it can’t be matched. If you think I’m a crazy old guy ask yourself this, what would it look like today if you had 6 NHL teams? What’s a 4th line look like?


listen i say this all the time when people refer to the leafs not being able to win with more than 6 teams, those 6 teams were stacked i completely agree with you, (orr played with more than 6 but i still agree you im not nitpicking). but the quality of hockey is not the same, the goalies especially. what separates orr from everyone else is his point production and he doesnt have that without that goaltending.
Aug. 10 at 1:57 p.m.
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Orr would've been better than Lidstrom in any era. Man won the Art Ross and nearly got to 1000 points in a shortened career.


he doesnt get those points against goalies today so no
Aug. 10 at 2:04 p.m.
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I’m going to tell you how wrong that is because I lived through it. The Original Six Era was the most challenging level of hockey ever played on earth. Every single team could put out a top line every single shift. Every team had two starting goalies. The depth of those 6 teams talent wise has not been matched ever since and it can’t be matched. If you think I’m a crazy old guy ask yourself this, what would it look like today if you had 6 NHL teams? What’s a 4th line look like?


I take it you never read Orr's book. Orr only played like 1 season during the Original 6 era before the 6 team expansion in 1967 took place. His production exploded in 1970 when 2 more teams were added to the league to make it 14 teams total, By the more or less end of his career (75/76) there were 18 teams in the league. The NHL became very diluted really fast and players like Orr feasted on it. In his book Orr talked about this and used the example of what if the league expanded from 30 to 90 teams during the 2010's, how good would Crosby have looked?
Aug. 10 at 2:12 p.m.
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Quoting: vr1995
listen i say this all the time when people refer to the leafs not being able to win with more than 6 teams, those 6 teams were stacked i completely agree with you, (orr played with more than 6 but i still agree you im not nitpicking). but the quality of hockey is not the same, the goalies especially. what separates orr from everyone else is his point production and he doesnt have that without that goaltending.


Well I’m glad you bring up goalies because today they are 6 foot 5 and covered in pads with a helmet and a sweater that could fit two people in it. Obviously it’s harder to score against that, which is why when I finish my all time team the only modern goalie you’ll see is Roy
Aug. 10 at 2:14 p.m.
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he doesnt get those points against goalies today so no


He definitely does. Guys like Gretzky and Orr would shred your average .905 goaltender today.
Aug. 10 at 2:16 p.m.
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Well I’m glad you bring up goalies because today they are 6 foot 5 and covered in pads with a helmet and a sweater that could fit two people in it. Obviously it’s harder to score against that, which is why when I finish my all time team the only modern goalie you’ll see is Roy


the 3 best goalie of all time are 6'2 and under and are way better than anyone who played in orr's time, ken dryden was 6'4 and he won 5 vezina trophies in the 70s
Aug. 10 at 2:17 p.m.
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He definitely does. Guys like Gretzky and Orr would shred your average .905 goaltender today.


its not even close to a debate
Aug. 10 at 2:20 p.m.
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I take it you never read Orr's book. Orr only played like 1 season during the Original 6 era before the 6 team expansion in 1967 took place. His production exploded in 1970 when 2 more teams were added to the league to make it 14 teams total, By the more or less end of his career (75/76) there were 18 teams in the league. The NHL became very diluted really fast and players like Orr feasted on it. In his book Orr talked about this and used the example of what if the league expanded from 30 to 90 teams during the 2010's, how good would Crosby have looked?


You’re preaching to the choir. I’ve always said Gretzky’s numbers are highly inflated because of the expansion. I agree that’s the same for any player who played from the 70s onward. What’s different then about an Orr or the Gretzky or a Mario? Why do I still consider them in my top 5 all time players? Because to be that special you had to change hockey in some way or dominant your era in such a way that it is inconceivable that someone could do what they did. Wayne Gretzky breaking 200 points was simply remarkable. I said it at the time and I also noted there’s a reason Gordie never put up those numbers. The amount of times I’ve had people call me border line nuts for saying Gretzky is 3rd on my all time list is beyond my ability to count. What made Orr different then? He was the improved version of Doug Harvey. He really did change hockey. That’s not some overstated fact. His skating was as great as you see from McDavid today. He was doing that on skates that weren’t anywhere near the quality these guys have today.
Aug. 10 at 2:22 p.m.
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Quoting: vr1995
the 3 best goalie of all time are 6'2 and under and are way better than anyone who played in orr's time, ken dryden was 6'4 and he won 5 vezina trophies in the 70s


If Dryden played today in all that equipment with a sweater double the size of his you’d see Vasilevsky all over again. I hate the “if so and so played in that era” it’s beyond ridiculous.
Aug. 10 at 2:33 p.m.
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If Dryden played today in all that equipment with a sweater double the size of his you’d see Vasilevsky all over again. I hate the “if so and so played in that era” it’s beyond ridiculous.


you hate it yet thats how you just started your response, all you have to do is watch, goaltending was much worse
Aug. 10 at 2:44 p.m.
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I’m going to tell you how wrong that is because I lived through it. The Original Six Era was the most challenging level of hockey ever played on earth. Every single team could put out a top line every single shift. Every team had two starting goalies. The depth of those 6 teams talent wise has not been matched ever since and it can’t be matched. If you think I’m a crazy old guy ask yourself this, what would it look like today if you had 6 NHL teams? What’s a 4th line look like?


Some differences between now and then that were neglected in this^

More people play hockey now then did in the 60s/70s. Bigger pool of people playing=more talent.
Training regimens and healthier diets are way more advanced now then they were then. Some of the faster players then would have maybe average speed now. And even if your argument was true, this would make it so there’s more talent that each player is playing with which offsets who the increased competition.
 
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