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Rebuild with criticism in mind with some long term outlook on the roster

Created by: Howie
Team: 2022-23 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 11, 2022
Published: Aug. 11, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
This still won't happen but I changed some deals
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$950,000
3$950,000
3$850,000
2$850,000
3$850,000
3$850,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,000,000
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. Blackwood, Mackenzie
  2. Holtz, Alexander
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
This is my new deal for helle that I came up with as the jets would need a goalie back which is why Blackwood is here leaving daws for the 3rd goalie and a second that is conditional that can be swapped with a 2024 second if they desire to keep the pick
NJD
  1. Hellebuyck, Connor
Additional Details:
Still get helle

Deal in 2022-2023 season
2.
WPG
  1. Dach, Kirby [RFA Rights]
  2. Hoffman, Mike
  3. Kidney, Riley
  4. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
Additional Details:
New deal for Dubois

Dach would need to be included for the upside he could have Florida first and kidney with Hoffman

Basically same deal without the added asset for Hoffman this is the lowest value wise I cam go with mtl before I'd trade him to another team that will actually pay for what he is regardless of his contract
3.
WPG
  1. Greenway, Jordan
  2. Petrovský, Servác [Reserve List]
  3. 2024 1st round pick (MIN)
Additional Details:
Same deal as before conditional first on making past round 1 and wheeler playing 50% of the games
MIN
  1. Gawanke, Leon
  2. Wheeler, Blake ($4,125,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Get a retained local player to help get them over the top
4.
WPG
  1. Légaré, Nathan
  2. McGinn, Brock
  3. Pickering, Owen
  4. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  5. 2024 1st round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
New deal that I came up with as there was interest from pit get a young lhd that actually can be a decent guy with top 4 upside a 2023 and 2024 unprotected first and get paid legare for taking McGinn
PIT
  1. Scheifele, Mark
  2. Stanley, Logan
Additional Details:
Get schief at the 2023 deadline
5.
WPG
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (WPG)
6.
WPG
  1. DiPietro, Michael
  2. Woo, Jett
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
Trade is at the 2023 deadline

Jets get a local rhd prospect and a second with dipietro to back up Blackwood in 2024
VAN
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
Additional Details:
Trade is at the 2023 deadline

Nucks get a rhd dd that can play with hughes or rathbone basically a chris Taney lite
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
30$82,500,000$71,701,191$0$3,395,000$10,798,809
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,142,857$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 4
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$950,000$950,000
C, RW
RFA - 4
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, RW
RFA - 4
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 3
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$950,000$950,000
LW, C
RFA
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$850,000$850,000
RW
RFA
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, RW
RFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$2,166,667$2,166,667
RW
UFA - 3
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$850,000$850,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
C
RFA - 4
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$850,000$850,000
RW
RFA
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$789,167$789,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
RW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$5,875,000$5,875,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$2,800,000$2,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$350,000$350K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$5,950,000$5,950,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$900,000$900,000
G
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LD
RFA - 2
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$860,833$860,833 (Performance Bonus$150,000$150K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$840,000$840,000
G
RFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
LD
RFA - 4

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Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:00 p.m.
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Pens decline
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Tbh jets are better off getting an offer from a contending team rather than mtl, mtl wouldnt even offer that, but a contender def would offer a young center w potential and a 1st and go from there.
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:07 p.m.
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Tbh jets are better off getting an offer from a contending team rather than mtl, mtl wouldnt even offer that, but a contender def would offer a young center w potential and a 1st and go from there.


I think Montreal would be willing to make that deal. It's essentially Dach and what should be a late first for Dubois with a long-term contract (that's how I read this). Sending Kidney to get Hoffman off the books is a little steep, but a future pick could be added to balance this if Kidney shows signs of becoming a future star.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:13 p.m.
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Devils decline. We don't need Hellebuyck that badly.
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.
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Replace Holtz with lesser prospect, make pick a protected or conditional 1st
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:20 p.m.
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That Pens deal is BRUTAL. And where are they getting the cap space from anyway?
Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:20 p.m.
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Replace Holtz with lesser prospect, make pick a protected or conditional 1st


I'd rather Holtz tbh that's why I lowered that ask bc someone said Holtz for helle was even so getting a goalie you would have no use for anymore and a second that is most likely in the 50s isn't that much more value
Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:22 p.m.
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I'd rather Holtz tbh that's why I lowered that ask bc someone said Holtz for helle was even so getting a goalie you would have no use for anymore and a second that is most likely in the 50s isn't that much more value


Holtz is a walkaway piece for us...so maybe Foote, Thompson, Zetterlund, etc would work. Or another piece added.
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:23 p.m.
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Minnesota declines. Don't need wheeler just because he's a hometown boy. Our gm, nor the base doesn't care. Wheeler is also a known cancer and doesn't have thus value no matter what
Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:23 p.m.
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Holtz is a walkaway piece for us...so maybe Foote, Thompson, Zetterlund, etc would work. Or another piece added.


I think you forget that it's a top 5 goalie in his prime tbh very undervalued him or overvalued your players
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:25 p.m.
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Minnesota declines. Don't need wheeler just because he's a hometown boy. Our gm, nor the base doesn't care. Wheeler is also a known cancer and doesn't have thus value no matter what


I just thought that they may be on his 5 team trade list and if we rebuild in this scenario they retain 50% 4.1 for a near ppg player I feel like that would get offers
Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:27 p.m.
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You ain't getting half of that for PLD, lol
Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:28 p.m.
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I just thought that they may be on his 5 team trade list and if we rebuild in this scenario they retain 50% 4.1 for a near ppg player I feel like that would get offers


No, we care about our lockerroom . Wild aren't taking on that contract. Greenway isn't a cap dump either, he was resigned to be kept. Somehow you are getting a 1st, Greenway, and prospect Minnesota doesn't want? Decline respectfully
Aug. 11, 2022 at 1:33 p.m.
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I think you forget that it's a top 5 goalie in his prime tbh very undervalued him or overvalued your players


I realize that...but we would rather give more in picks. And we have a ton of good prospects, even after the top guys. But I think Luke Hughes, Nemec, Holtz, Mukhamadullin (and maybe Gritsyuk) would be off limits. The rest would be there.

Foote, LW
Zetterlund, C/RW
Thompson, C/RW
Clarke, RW
Stillman, RW
Salminen, C
Filmon, LW

Bahl, LHD
Walsh, RHD
Okhotiuk, LHD
Casey, RHD
Edwards, LHD
Misyul, LHD

Daws, G
Schmid, G
Brennan, G
Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:59 p.m.
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I realize that...but we would rather give more in picks. And we have a ton of good prospects, even after the top guys. But I think Luke Hughes, Nemec, Holtz, Mukhamadullin (and maybe Gritsyuk) would be off limits. The rest would be there.

Foote, LW
Zetterlund, C/RW
Thompson, C/RW
Clarke, RW
Stillman, RW
Salminen, C
Filmon, LW

Bahl, LHD
Walsh, RHD
Okhotiuk, LHD
Casey, RHD
Edwards, LHD
Misyul, LHD

Daws, G
Schmid, G
Brennan, G


Idc you got to give quality to get quality so Holtz is the ask and if he's not there there's no trade
Aug. 11, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.
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Mercer/Blackwood/2nd? To much or Mercer untouchable?
Aug. 11, 2022 at 5:30 p.m.
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Idc you got to give quality to get quality so Holtz is the ask and if he's not there there's no trade


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Mercer/Blackwood/2nd? To much or Mercer untouchable?


Mercer and Holtz are probably not likely. NJD have a number of other good prospects. But those guys, or Hughes, Nemec would be unwise to trade.
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 6:54 p.m.
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Mercer and Holtz are probably not likely. NJD have a number of other good prospects. But those guys, or Hughes, Nemec would be unwise to trade.


Understandable
Aug. 12, 2022 at 2:26 a.m.
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Mercer/Blackwood/2nd? To much or Mercer untouchable?


Mercer is untouchable, yes.
Aug. 12, 2022 at 2:41 a.m.
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I realize that...but we would rather give more in picks. And we have a ton of good prospects, even after the top guys. Mukhamadullin (and maybe Gritsyuk) would be off limits.


I see two things that are backwards here, imo:

1. Gritsyuk should be the piece off limits and Mukhammadulin the piece closer to available for a trade. Muk was a reach when drafted to begin with and I don't see him having a ceiling higher than any of Bahl, Okhotiuk or Walsh. Which ties into my next point

2. At this point in time, picks should be valued higher than prospects. This is due to currently having too many future NHL regulars to fit into the lineup between now and 2026, particularly at defense.
Between 2023 and 2026, 5/6 places will already be spoken for by Hughes, Nemec, Marino, Hamilton and Siegenthaler.
That leaves only 2 spots (1 for 3rd pair, 1 to be scratched) to all of Okhotiuk, Bahl, Walsh, Mukhammadulin, Casey.
These guys won't be waiver exempt forever and will likely be too good too pass through without getting claimed, so better to try and move them in order to get some value for them, no?
Cus a lot of them will not be playing for the Devils anyway.
Aug. 12, 2022 at 8:36 a.m.
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I see two things that are backwards here, imo:

1. Gritsyuk should be the piece off limits and Mukhammadulin the piece closer to available for a trade. Muk was a reach when drafted to begin with and I don't see him having a ceiling higher than any of Bahl, Okhotiuk or Walsh. Which ties into my next point

2. At this point in time, picks should be valued higher than prospects. This is due to currently having too many future NHL regulars to fit into the lineup between now and 2026, particularly at defense.
Between 2023 and 2026, 5/6 places will already be spoken for by Hughes, Nemec, Marino, Hamilton and Siegenthaler.
That leaves only 2 spots (1 for 3rd pair, 1 to be scratched) to all of Okhotiuk, Bahl, Walsh, Mukhammadulin, Casey.
These guys won't be waiver exempt forever and will likely be too good too pass through without getting claimed, so better to try and move them in order to get some value for them, no?
Cus a lot of them will not be playing for the Devils anyway.



On Giving Picks vs Players - I agree that prospect pipeline is getting crowded in some places and I can see the thought of spreading some value out into future years (via picks). But now we have a core group together and have some identifiable holes to fill (ie, heavier skill, goaltending, whatever). Adding young ELC players helps us now and in future years fill in some of those spots. 2023 and 2024 draft picks will arrive too late. (obviously 1st rounder in 2023 would have reasonable protection if we ever dealt it).

Gritsyuk - On the talent alone, he should be included on the list just behind Hughes, Nemec, Holtz. But there is a risk that drags him down a notch. Gritsyuk hasn't fully committed to coming over yet, whereas the others want to be here. Hence, he is not quite as untouchable as the others.

Bahl - Has upside simply based on size and mobility. But while he may have once had middle-pair upside, I am thinking he is now looking like a #6-7 dman. The puck skills still need a lot of work. Passing out of the zone, getting puck on net from point. He is waiver-exempt for another year, so I would expect him to spend most of the year in AHL working on these things.

Okhotiuk - Maybe lowest upside of the bunch, but is likely closer to NHL minutes than Bahl. He is likely a bottom-pair physical, stay-at-home dman. Fitzgerald has praised the simplicity of his game and will probably compete with Smith in pre-season for 3LD.

Walsh - My bet to start year as 3LD (even though he is a righty). He has played left side at times in both AHL and NCAA (where he paired with Marino). More of offensive, puck-moving dman, but people that worry we have another Will Butcher 2019-20 or Ty Smith 2020-21 shouldn't. He is defensively responsible, a lot more physical than those two, and is excellent in possession. I think he has 2nd pair upside. I also think they may give him minutes just to put him on display as trade bait for 2023 off-season.

Mukhamadullin - He unquestionably has higher ceiling than Bahl, Okhotiuk, and Walsh. Muk is a project, but has all the tools (size, shot, skating etc) to be a top-pair player. He is a little unorthodox in his approach at time. He is a lefty who plays right-side. He is at times very aggressive with his long reach. He pinches into dangerous areas, like from right point towards left corner. He is often unpredictable with off-the-puck movement (joins rush sometimes when he shouldn't, jumps back on defense on times he should). To detractors, it is a undisciplined mess. To supporters, it is part of his genius. He set numerous records as teenager in KHL, for ice-time, points. His usage on Russian teams alone should give confidence in his future. And as he started his draft year at a wiry 6'2" 169 lbs, he ended last season listed at 6'4" 194 lbs. The reviews from North American scouting have been very good. A few examples...Steve Kourianos has said he looks like a "true number one". Mitch Brown said his "NHL upside is more evident than ever before". Craig Button has said, ""He’ll be a really solid NHL defenseman". Scott Wheeler, "Mukhamadullin’s upside is fascinating". All within last year or so. Also, it sounds as if Fitzy loves the guy, so I imagine he will get his chances.

My best guess of def depth charts in next few years

2022-23

Siegenthaler -- Severson
Graves -- Hamilton
Smith/Walsh -- Marino
ex: Okhotiuk

Nemec plays 9 or fewer games in 2022-23
Bahl plays most of year in AHL
Hughes, Mukhamadullin arrive April 2023
McCarthy arrives AHL April 2023

2023-24

Siegenthaler -- Hamilton
Hughes -- Marino
Okhotiuk/Bahl -- Nemec/Walsh/Mukhamadullin
ex: Smith

Mukhamadullin starts in AHL
Misyul maybe to AHL in Sep 2023
Edwards, Casey arrive as early as April 2024

2024-25

Siegenthaler -- Hamilton
Hughes -- Nemec
Okhotiuk/Bahl -- Mukhamadullin
ex: Walsh, Casey, Vuko

Edwards and Casey full year in AHL
Vilen arrives as early as April 2025 (likely Sep 2025)
Leddy arrives AHL Spring 2025

2025-26

Hughes -- Nemec
Siegenthaler -- Hamilton
Vilen -- Mukhamadullin
ex: Edwards, Casey

(just too far ahead to project)
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