Terrible sandin trade

5 teams can afford Muzzin without sending cap back
Dont see him waiving for ARI or CHI
That leaves ANA, BUF and DET

Gonna have to pay to move him without taking cap back and it wont be cheap to any of those 3 teams, especially with 2 being in-division for the Leafs

1st ++ attached to Muzzin or ANA hangs up

I agree 110%. Even a Sandin for Roy in a one for one deal makes no sense for Toronto.

Trading sandin will be a terrible mistake now and especially in the future. Muzzin and gio can’t do it forever, so having sandin back there to replace them is the entire reason they drafted him

hes not really a cap dump tho so probably not

I would say a first is more than enough to take Muzzin given how deep this draft is. And I say this as someone who dislikes Muzzin and how he plays the game at this point. He’s too injury prone to be an effective player at this point imo.

they get exactly what they need and it fits there timeline while La gets the same thing, it really is a win win

This dude wants a first to take bailey too. Look I don’t like Muzzin cause of injury issues but this seems excessive imo.

Not when u give up a pick and take back Sean “Torn ACL” Walker.

Trading sandin will be a terrible mistake now and especially in the future. Muzzin and gio can’t do it forever, so having sandin back there to replace them is the entire reason why they drafted him. I don’t really care about some OK RDs that will only be here a couple years. We don’t even need them with liljegren and Brodie

Except he is, this team couldnt be rostered with him on it, that is exactly what a cap dump is

ANA has no reason to consider that trade. best case scenario there are 3 teams that can take him and two are in TORs division

Muzzin is 100% undoubtedly a cap dump to any of the teams that have the cap space for him

No way Los Angeles trades Matt Roy for Rasmus Sandin.

Walker plus a pick (not a first) for Sandin makes sense for Los Angeles. I understand Toronto fans' reluctance to trade Sandin at all.

If Muzzin had one year left a first is enough, the second year makes it alot more costly to dump

It makes even less sense for Los Angeles.

Its to take any cap hit over 5M, easy to see that with 5 teams being able to add that much cap, not my fault that teams stupidly spend over the cap

If it was that easy to dump cap it would be done already

LAK would still have Spence, Durzi and Doughty. There isn’t a defense first guy among them but adding Sandin might be worth it

I have a feeling the ducks would be laughed off the phone if they had ur mindset. I get ur point but I don’t think it’s realistic.

The Ducks would be the ones laughing at the teams over the cap trying to negotiate without leverage

Unless a team really makes it worth ANAs time they have no reason to add a significant cap hit

Teams like the LEafs and Isles NEED to move salary out

Teams like The Ducks and Sabres, etc DONT NEED to add any salary and in-turn hold 100% of the leverage on any deal with a significant (Over 4.5M) cap hit

All three decline.

We already know that Matt Roy is a first-class, defense-first defender, whereas the jury is still out on Sandin, no matter how good he's looked so far. Note that he's played fewer games in the NHL than Tobias Bjornfot despite being a year older. There's no need for us to speculate on whether Sandin will pan out at the cost of the "sure thing" of a top-4 RhD. You can make an argument for Durzi or Spence for Sandin, but not Roy.

Let’s say the ducks do nothing? How does that make them better? I get why u wouldn’t want Muzzin for two years but getting a first round pick in next year’s draft is more than worth it. If it was a weak draft I wouldn’t even suggest it.

Fine with us, call up Chicago, they've shown have questionable decision making in their front office when it comes to deals with Toronto.

As for Muzzin, if he could stay healthy through the end of his deal, he would have more inherent value, but he has shown for the last few seasons he can't do that. This means the Ducks need to carry 8 D or try and slide guys we want to keep past waivers for when Muzzin does get hurt/comes back from injury.

Toronto has their backs up against the cap, and everyone who they attached NTC's to everything with a pulse. Its going to be a hellishly expensive exercise to move anyone.

How much will Roy command on his next deal? And how long will he be under contract? Selling high and getting Sandin should make them better long term.

I get ur point. I just think ur asking price is too high.

The Ducks are rebuilding, they dont need to make a move for the sake of it.

The teams above the cap NEED to move cap out, ANA has no reason to add cap for the rest of the offseason, keeping the team how it is and getting a legitimate shot at Bedard/Fantilli/Michkov is what will be best for ANA

Cap space is without doubt the most valuable asset in the NHL right now, look at how many teams are above the cap and will need to dump Salary, now look at how many teams can afford to add on big salary. and then consider players that have trade protection which can eliminate those teams

Ducks (and other teams with cap space) hold all the cards