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Gibson deal

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Team: 2022-23 Vegas Golden Knights
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 11, 2022
Published: Aug. 11, 2022
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 4:36 p.m.
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He hasn't been a top-10 goalie since 2018.


You’re entitled to your opinion, and you may even be right. But it’s 100% reasonable that he’s top 10. For example, 8 goalies get selected for the all star game, which Gibson was selected for just this past year and also in 2019
Aug. 11, 2022 at 4:37 p.m.
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You’re entitled to your opinion, and you may even be right. But it’s 100% not definitive. For example, 8 goalies get selected for the all star game, which Gibson was selected for just this past year and also in 2019

It's not an opinion, it's a fact: Gibson hasn't been a top-10 goalie since 2018. You don't have to like it, but it's true anyhow.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 4:40 p.m.
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It's not an opinion, it's a fact: Gibson hasn't been a top-10 goalie since 2018. You don't have to like it, but it's true anyhow.


Lol I love it.

Me: here is a very rational reason he can reasonably be considered top 10

You: I’m not going to address that sound argument. I’m right, and you’re wrong 100%. I’ll share no information other than that
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 4:50 p.m.
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Lol I love it.

Me: here is a very rational reason he can reasonably be considered top 10

You: I’m not going to address that sound argument. I’m right, and you’re wrong 100%. I’ll share no information other than that

There wasn't any sound argument LOL, all you pointed to was all star selection. That's just a beauty pageant, it has nothing to do with ability or level of play. And each team sends someone irrespective of whether they deserve to or not. Dumb argument.

Since 2018, 72 goalies have played at least 50 NHL regular season games. Gibson's save percentage ranks 54th, his GAA ranks 60th. Look at any stat - GSAA, GSAx, whatever - he's near the bottom of the league. The FACT is, he's not a top-10 goalie and hasn't been for years now.

The apologists like to blame the team in front of him while ignoring 100% of the evidence, including the fact that he is regularly outperformed by his backup, who plays behind the same team. Even the last "good" season Gibson had (2017-18) he was outperformed by his backup Ryan Miller .928 to .926.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 5:04 p.m.
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There was to sound argument LOL, all you pointed to was all star selection. That's just a beauty pageant, it has nothing to do with ability or level of play. And each team sends someone irrespective of whether they deserve to or not. Dumb argument.

Since 2018, 72 goalies have played at least 50 NHL regular season games. Gibson's save percentage ranks 54th, his GAA ranks 60th. Look at any stat - GSAA, GSAx, whatever - he's near the bottom of the league. The FACT is, he's not a top-10 goalie and hasn't been for years now.

The apologists like to blame the team in front of him while ignoring 100% of the evidence, including the fact that he is regularly outperformed by his backup, who plays behind the same team. Even the last "good" season Gibson had (2017-18) he was outperformed by his backup Ryan Miller .928 to .926.


Argument 1: The ANA ducks win zero beauty pageants. They’re not sexy (hopefully that’s starting to change), have a small fan base, and had Troy Terry on the All star team too

Argument 2: there’s tooootally validity to the stats. But to pretend that the team doesn’t have any impact on sv% and GAA is more laughable than a baseball team still relying on batting average to determine if someone is good at the plate. Just because a stat has been around a while doesn’t mean it’s the best one.

15 of the top 16 goalies in GAA were on playoff teams. 12 of 16 for Save %. They’re very highly correlated to the quality of the team in front of the goalie (and I’ve played goalie on both good and bad teams, my stats did not at all look the same because the volume and quality of chances isn’t). Entering the all star game Gibson was 2.64/.917 which would’ve been 14th and 9th end of season. Ducks traded Manson, Lindholm, and Rakell, shortly after the All star game, after which he miraculously fell off

Again, I’m not even saying he’s top 10. What I’m saying is it’s totally debatable that he is. That may be more likely than him all of a sudden going from top 10 to a scrub coincidentally at the same time the Ducks roster went to hell (both this year and back in 2017). I can tell you have zero willingness to be convinced, so I’m happy to leave it here. But just so you know, it’s pooooossible you aren’t right wink
 
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