The Only Leafs and Canucks trade for Miller that is logical

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Created by: Faulk_my_Dzingel

Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 12, 2022

Published: Aug. 12, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Canucks get some Swedish connection nostalgia. One more year of cap control with Nylander vs Miller. Holl to play the right side who is great on the PK and despite what most leaf fans think is still viable. The guy averaged 20 mins a night. You also get Sandin who is being experimented with on the right side. A potential puck moving defenseman if Hughes or Larsson get injured.

Leafs get cap flexibility for 2023. An extremely versatile win now player in Miller. Penalty Kill replacement in Schenn. And can fill remaining holes with more cap flexibility. They also keep Mr. Versatility in Kerfoot which is extremely underrated.

Free Agent Signings

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Subban, P.K.		1	$800,000
Motte, Tyler		3	$1,500,000

Trades

TOR

VAN

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$82,500,000	$81,814,917	$212,500	$0	$685,083

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Miller, J.T. $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 2	Bunting, Michael $950,000$950,000 LW UFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas $796,667$796,667 LW, RW RFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 3	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 3
Engvall, Pierre $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Järnkrok, Calle $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, C, LW M-NTC UFA - 4
	Kämpf, David $1,500,000$1,500,000 C UFA - 1	Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW UFA - 1
Motte, Tyler $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Gaudette, Adam $750,000$750,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $7,500,000$7,500,000 LD NMC UFA - 8	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 2	Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NTC UFA - 2	Schenn, Luke $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 1	Samsonov, Ilya $1,800,000$1,800,000 G UFA - 1
	Liljegren, Timothy $1,400,000$1,400,000 RD RFA - 2
Giordano, Mark $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 2
Subban, P.K. $800,000$800,000 RD UFA

Taxi Squad
Simmonds, Wayne $900,000$900,000 ($0$0$0$0) RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
Clifford, Kyle $762,500$762,500 ($0$0$0$0) LW UFA - 2
Anderson, Joey $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0) RW RFA - 1

Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.

GenXHockey

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You and I have very different definitions of logical...

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Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:37 p.m.

Faulk_my_Dzingel

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Edited Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:52 p.m.

Quoting: GenXHockey

You and I have very different definitions of logical...

Edit: Misunderstood the dudes comment. My bad.

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Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:38 p.m.

Warpbox

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The Canucks really don’t need more wingers though. They already have Boeser, Garland, Mikheyev, Pearson, Hoglander, Podkolzin, and Kuzmenko who will all want ice time. They just need D and prospects

Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:39 p.m.

GenXHockey

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Quoting: DrDinkiee

I suppose you're sending Kerfoot Holl and a 1st for 50% retention of Miller hey?

No, I'm not sending anything. Certainly not twice his value.

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Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:40 p.m.

Faulk_my_Dzingel

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Edited Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:51 p.m.

Quoting: GenXHockey

No, I'm not sending anything. Certainly not twice his value.

Edit: misunderstood the dudes tone for this.

Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:41 p.m.

capsfan2121

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Leafs decline

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Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:45 p.m.

GenXHockey

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Quoting: DrDinkiee

Nice. So I guess the purpose of this site is to not try and figure out what if scenarios for two sides of the coin.

Certainly, you accomplished neither. Niemela, kerfoot and a 1st for Miller 50% retained is probably fair value and what both teams need but leafs aren't interested in giving up those assets for a rental.

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Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:49 p.m.

capsfan2121

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Quoting: GenXHockey

And the nucks don’t need another winger or a ld. Kerfoot could play 3c I think for them. And they need help at rd right now but I think Niemela would work to maybe

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Aug. 12, 2022 at 12:51 p.m.

Faulk_my_Dzingel

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Quoting: GenXHockey

You know what man. I can get behind that. I am sorry I misunderstood your tone. I just keep seeing Miller trades that are insane and figured I would try and see what would actually work for both sides.

Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:00 p.m.

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Quoting: capsfan2121

Leafs decline

Likely. But also what everyone needs to realize is for the 2023 season the Leafs have 69 Million tied up in 12 players. Only 7 of which are forwards. And losing a player like Bunting after we lost Hyman would hurt again. The Cap is expected to rise only minimally. Out of moving any of the big contracts, Nylander is the easiest. Making a move for winning today is an option, maybe not the best option, but it is certainly an option.

Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:01 p.m.

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GenXHockey

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Quoting: DrDinkiee

A team with an older core that would like to re sign Miller would pay the price Vancouver would want. Unfortunately flames are in the same division otherwise that trade would make sense. Maybe a team like Washington or Boston fits that mold.

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Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:03 p.m.

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GenXHockey

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Quoting: DrDinkiee

The team isn't getting better though. Moving nylander and Holl for Miller and schenn doesn't move the needle. Then you gave up Sandin and left us with an aging broken left side.

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Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:16 p.m.

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Quoting: GenXHockey

I do think there is a good amount of logic for Toronto to pursue Miller if they can extend him. Albeit I think either Nylander would have to be included or Toronto would have to be very confident in their ability to move Muzzin on his new M-NTC next summer.

As for the logic I think Miller's playstyle as well as his ability to play center are both things Toronto needs. IMO Tavares while still a solid player has definitely showed signs of slowing down and is likely more suited for the wing now. Miller is still a very strong skater and good at center and could really boost the 2nd lines scoring

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Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:18 p.m.

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Miller is an absolute lightning Rod here at ACGM HQ

Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.

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GenXHockey

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Tavares has never been fast. He will be the 2c. Miller to Toronto makes zero sense other than a rental for 2lw. I think there will be cheaper options trade value wise.

Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:24 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

The Leafs have needed a Miller type player for quite some time. His ability to play centre or wing is exactly what they need like you say. While I don’t think Tavares can’t play centre anymore, the flexibility added with Miller is invaluable.

Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:28 p.m.

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Quoting: GenXHockey

Tavares has never been fast. He will be the 2c. Miller to Toronto makes zero sense other than a rental for 2lw. I think there will be cheaper options trade value wise.

And I disagree with keeping Tavares at 2C if the option to move him to wing is there. Plenty of top centers were moved to the wing later in their careers. Giroux, Pavelski, and Stamkos come to mind as recent examples.

Your above offer of Topi a 1st and Kerfoot would be avery good if Toronto really thinks they can win it

Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:30 p.m.

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Quoting: DrDinkiee

I have no doubt in Tavares ability to take faceoffs but I do think running him on a line where Miller can do more of the 200 ft heavy lifting would ve a drastic. Especially with his style

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Aug. 12, 2022 at 1:56 p.m.

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GenXHockey

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Toronto can certainly not re sign Miller and really shouldn't. It is a contract that will age poorly. I do wish flames could get their hands on him. He would line up well with their window and a 2c would be a perfect fit right now.

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