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Zatisev swap for Byron and Allen to VGK

Created by: Billy316
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 14, 2022
Published: Aug. 14, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
Sell off Dadanov and Drouin at the TDL
We got 6 pending UFA's next year the TDL after that we'll sell off including Zaitsev
Make no mistake this is a rebuilding team and as such bringing up Slavkosky early feels unwise.
We did it with too many of our 1st rounders wasting the Waiver Exemption status
This time around im saying MTL under Hughes leaves Slavkovsky in Laval until atleast after TDL



The hope is Slavkosky will come in the next year helping boost those 6 UFA's values in turn.
There will be more room and minutes plus more assets acquired by taking our time with him.
That's long term insurance we can rely on and it cost nothing but patience.

By the time year 2's TDL hits and those 6 UFA's are gone
MTL taps players like Roy, Kidney ,Mysak, Farrel,Ghule and Xhekaj
That's not even just our best prospects, just the one that will be ready in that time period
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Primeau, Cayden1$750,000
Dach, Kirby1$1,500,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (VGK)
Conditional 3rd
-Becomes a 2nd in 2024 if Allen re-signs
-Becomes a 1st in 2023 if VGK win the Cup(32ndOA)
VGK
  1. Allen, Jake
Additional Details:
Likely MTL will walk away with a mid to late 3rd round pick
2.
MTL
  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
  2. Daoust, Philippe
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (OTT)
Additional Details:
OTT moves 2 years at 4.5m by trading for a Pending UFA at a 1.1m lower cap hit with intentions of selling him at the TDL. For arguments sake if he goes on LTIR that just means OTT cleared 4.5m and a roster spot for a replacement of a much highes calliber(with roughly 10m for top pair RD )
OTT
  1. Byron, Paul
Additional Details:
MTL takes on cap and term getting paid to fill a hole we had anyways with the added bonus of moving out a winger before the season starts

The value Zaitsev brings doesnt match his cap but this years its 1.1m extra vs Byron. Next year its 4.5m and we can trade him the TDL.

He puts up 100+ hits and blocked shots something Wideman isnt prepared to do especially on a western road trip.Those who can split the duties on bottom pair

Based on the value of other cap dumps with higher value this year coupled with a similar role player in Kris Russel's trade. Plus factoring his the low amount of teams there are but cap for cheap iit makes deals like these more plausable

I figured Condtional 2nd round pick that becomes a 1st in 2023 if OTT makes ECF and an AHL prospect(Daoust or Rehinherdt makes sense
3.
MTL
  1. 2023 7th round pick (CGY)
Sean Monahan at 6.375m pending UFA

What about this ?
(ignore picks it was so i could post a hypothetical)
CGY
  1. 2023 7th round pick (MTL)
Jonathon Drouin at 5.5m pending UFA
Buyouts
  • Karl Alzner: $833,333
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$81,776,666$1,132,500$1,570,000$723,334
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Dadonov, Evgeni
$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Suzuki, Nick
$7,875,000
C
UFA - 8
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Caufield, Cole
$880,833
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 1
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Dach, Kirby
$1,500,000
C, RW
RFA - 4
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Anderson, Josh
$5,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
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Hoffman, Mike
$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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Dvorak, Christian
$4,450,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
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Gallagher, Brendan
$6,500,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 5
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Pitlick, Rem
$1,100,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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Evans, Jake
$1,700,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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Armia, Joel
$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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Stephens, Mitchell
$750,000
C
RFA - 1
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Pezzetta, Michael
$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Edmundson, Joel
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Barron, Justin
$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
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Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4
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Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
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Savard, David
$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
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Montembeault, Samuel
$1,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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Harris, Jordan
$842,500
LD
RFA - 1
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Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
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UFA - 2
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Wideman, Chris
$762,500
RD
UFA - 2

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Aug. 14 at 7:46 a.m.
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That Zaitev trade makes no sense for Ottawa. Ottawa needs a RD they can find a 4th liner anywhere. They much rather just use the pick to dump him with no return.
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Aug. 14 at 8:01 a.m.
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I would rather bet on someone much more proven in Monahan from a Flames perspective. Calgary already has questionable center depth with Monahan, gets significantly worse without him
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Aug. 14 at 8:09 a.m.
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That Zaitev trade makes no sense for Ottawa. Ottawa needs a RD they can find a 4th liner anywhere. They much rather just use the pick to dump him with no return.


You're spot on. Kelly, Kastilic, Gambrell, Watson and then you got Greig, Sokolov and Boucher. That's 7 guys who could rotate the 4th line easily that doesn't make freaking 3.4 million dollars and isn't a waste of a roster spot. Meanwhile that RD suffers whilst we're waiting on Thomson and JBD to develop. Zub is our only good NHL ready RD atm that is really worth keeping.

I'm sure Dorion will find a way better deal himself at the deadline if he wants to move Zaitzev.

And the TS already knows what I think about Allen to Vegas. Completely unecessary.
Aug. 14 at 9:24 a.m.
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Habs keep Allen. For multiple obvious reasons.
Aug. 14 at 9:33 a.m.
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You are not allowed to make picks conditional on players resigning.
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Aug. 14 at 11:15 a.m.
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Quoting: carts88
That Zaitev trade makes no sense for Ottawa. Ottawa needs a RD they can find a 4th liner anywhere. They much rather just use the pick to dump him with no return.


While I don't think this trade makes sense for OTT right now, they MIGHT have to pull something like this after this season, but not this season. DeBrincat and Stutzle are RFAs after this season and they will get PAID. They currently have a comfortable amount of cap space that can carry over to next year, but getting Zaitzev out may be something they have to explore.
Aug. 14 at 11:17 a.m.
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Quoting: Islesforthecup
You are not allowed to make picks conditional on players resigning.


Yup, but if you remove that condition I think the trade is fair. Although I'm sure MTL fans will argue he's worth a 1st.
Aug. 14 at 6:06 p.m.
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Quoting: carts88
That Zaitev trade makes no sense for Ottawa. Ottawa needs a RD they can find a 4th liner anywhere. They much rather just use the pick to dump him with no return.


You're suggesting Bedard-Docker, Thompson and Zub wouldnt be better then Zaitsev, Thompson and Zub?
If that's the case the real question is how low does OTT value Bedard-Docker or Thompson and can MTL acquire one of them ?
I just assumed given the points they're at in their career's that they'd be a priority as would moving on from Zaitsev after OTT facelift.
Thats if OTT doesnt want to just use the cash as i pointed out to acquire a clear cut #1 RD

I never thought i'd see the day someone would lobby to keep Zaitsev in OTT
Aug. 14 at 6:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Islesforthecup
You are not allowed to make picks conditional on players resigning.


good to know
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Aug. 14 at 6:25 p.m.
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You're spot on. Kelly, Kastilic, Gambrell, Watson and then you got Greig, Sokolov and Boucher. That's 7 guys who could rotate the 4th line easily that doesn't make freaking 3.4 million dollars and isn't a waste of a roster spot. Meanwhile that RD suffers whilst we're waiting on Thomson and JBD to develop. Zub is our only good NHL ready RD atm that is really worth keeping.

I'm sure Dorion will find a way better deal himself at the deadline if he wants to move Zaitzev.

And the TS already knows what I think about Allen to Vegas. Completely unecessary.


If you chose to read you'd see that's all covered above with Byron.
If you knew reports are no longer "he'll be at camp" and are now "he's doubtful for camp"
Its much more likely he either goes on LTIR till he retires or just retires.

That would be completly dumping Zaitsev's camp and being able to promote Bedard-Docker who shockingly is being treated as unworthy by a lot of people.
I was always under the impression Bedard-Docker was a solid future 2nd paid Defensive prospect but after today im wondering what problem he has i dont know about.
Aug. 14 at 6:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Yup, but if you remove that condition I think the trade is fair. Although I'm sure MTL fans will argue he's worth a 1st.


Supply vs Demand
Its a business and i dont make business decisions based on information that ignores the Market.

I'm not saying Allen is worth a 1st so planly as you stated given its a conditional 3rd round pick not even a guaranteed 2nd . . .
I said if he wins a cup he's worth the 32nd OA pick which for years was a 2nd rounder and while placement changed quality did not.
I probably shoulda went with a 2nd and a conditional 4th that becomes a 2nd if VGK wins a cup to make everyone else more comfortable i guess

Lets just say i agree and put Value aside
VGK i think makes sense for VGK given their situation
Allen has ARZ and DAL in on him as well but VGK has the biggest need with both goalies injured and 1 out for the season.
Aug. 15 at 4:26 p.m.
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If you chose to read you'd see that's all covered above with Byron.
If you knew reports are no longer "he'll be at camp" and are now "he's doubtful for camp"
Its much more likely he either goes on LTIR till he retires or just retires.

That would be completly dumping Zaitsev's camp and being able to promote Bedard-Docker who shockingly is being treated as unworthy by a lot of people.
I was always under the impression Bedard-Docker was a solid future 2nd paid Defensive prospect but after today im wondering what problem he has i dont know about.


I did read and the point is still soaring over your head. Ottawa doesn't need a 4th liner who makes 3.4 mil at ANY point. You effectively want US to take on Byron so that YOU can flip Zaitzev at the deadline for a pick or smth, when we can just do it ourselves. Or you want us to rely on the Habs medical team and gamble on a player MAYBE being on the LTIR for the whole year or retires all together? And at the cost of a freaking 2nd round pick and Daoust as well... Really? Blockhead.
Dump your ****ty contracts somewhere else and we'll do the same.
Just an extra FYI, Ottawa isn't in win now mode this season. Giroux has even gone out and said it in the media that the goal is not to win or be real contenders this season.
JBD might be ready for the NHL but if you're gonna try and convince me he's gonna do way better in Zaitzev's top 2 role in his first year then idk what to tell you..
 
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