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Team: 2022-23 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 16, 2022
Published: Aug. 16, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$4,000,000
6$8,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
1$1,250,000
1$1,000,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Dobson, Noah$9,900,000
2023 1st round pick
2023 2nd round pick
2023 3rd round pick
2024 1st round pick
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. 2023 1st round pick (VGK)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (BUF)
VGK
  1. Asplund, Rasmus
  2. Comrie, Eric
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (PHI)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (BUF)
2.
MTL
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (VGK)
3.
BUF
  1. Keller, Clayton
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (COL)
Buyouts
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$73,604,167$0$3,037,500$8,895,833
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$7,150,000$7,150,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$1,400,000$1,400,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$412,500$412K)
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$9,000,000$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$1,700,000$1,700,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 3
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$8,250,000$8,250,000
RD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
RFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$1,850,000$1,850,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,875,000$2,875,000
G
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$4,916,667$4,916,667
G
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1

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Aug. 16, 2022 at 11:22 a.m.
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If you love someone don’t let them go — Lou Lamoriello
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 11:23 a.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
If you love someone don’t let them go — Lou Lamoriello


This will hands down be the best response i get all day lmaooo
Aug. 16, 2022 at 11:26 a.m.
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This will hands down be the best response i get all day lmaooo


Thanks lol. I’m only half joking tho. Lou is kind of a hoarder lmao. That’s why he loves having buried salary.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 11:30 a.m.
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This is pretty bad for the Sabres. 4mil x 5years for UPL is a massive overpay for someone who hasn’t played 15 NHL games. Way too much to give up for Keller. I also don’t think we’ll be able to afford Dobson like that, In 2 years Power and Dahlin could both be making 8+ and having 3 defensemen making that much really limits what we can pay our forwards.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 11:37 a.m.
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This is pretty bad for the Sabres. 4mil x 5years for UPL is a massive overpay for someone who hasn’t played 15 NHL games. Way too much to give up for Keller. I also don’t think we’ll be able to afford Dobson like that, In 2 years Power and Dahlin could both be making 8+ and having 3 defensemen making that much really limits what we can pay our forwards.


Maybe, youd have about 25-26mil after this season to resign or extend whoever and at the end of the 23/24 season you would have another 19-20mil to use to extend or sign players, but i do agree with the term lengthy and price of UPL could be 3yr x 2-2.5mil.
But i dont see krebs/cozens/thompson/middlestat or samuelsson having long that 3-5yr x 3-6mil on this next contract
Aug. 16, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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Someone already covered the big things but my question is, who in their right mind would sign Keith Yandle?
Aug. 16, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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Someone already covered the big things but my question is, who in their right mind would sign Keith Yandle?


For the vibes baby lmaoooooo
Aug. 16, 2022 at 11:50 a.m.
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Maybe, youd have about 25-26mil after this season to resign or extend whoever and at the end of the 23/24 season you would have another 19-20mil to use to extend or sign players, but i do agree with the term lengthy and price of UPL could be 3yr x 2-2.5mil.
But i dont see krebs/cozens/thompson/middlestat or samuelsson having long that 3-5yr x 3-6mil on this next contract


UPL would be lucky to get anything above league minimum. The Comrie contract is the absolute max I see him making this year, but highly doubt he gets that much. If Thompson plays at all like last year, he’ll get 7+, likely 8.something. I really think this makes the team worse long term though.
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.
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UPL would be lucky to get anything above league minimum. The Comrie contract is the absolute max I see him making this year, but highly doubt he gets that much. If Thompson plays at all like last year, he’ll get 7+, likely 8.something. I really think this makes the team worse long term though.


Would definitely be hard to build around but would have probably the best defensive core in the league that can play both ways but given Keller’s contract I really dont think it gets better than that only because of his point production and players like him dont come “cheap” like that but would probably mean letting go or trading Olofsson and Jokiharju when their contract are up but could still have a solid top 6 core and amazing top 4 d with the 1-2 punch of Allen and UPL as your goalies for cheap. Given Krebs/Quinn/Cozens/Jiri/Rosen all develop well
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 12:42 p.m.
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Would definitely be hard to build around but would have probably the best defensive core in the league that can play both ways but given Keller’s contract I really dont think it gets better than that only because of his point production and players like him dont come “cheap” like that but would probably mean letting go or trading Olofsson and Jokiharju when their contract are up but could still have a solid top 6 core and amazing top 4 d with the 1-2 punch of Allen and UPL as your goalies for cheap. Given Krebs/Quinn/Cozens/Jiri/Rosen all develop well


i think this all makes although i think Lybuskin is 1 piece too many for Keller on that deal.
I mean if ARZ was taking back Keller in the deal then it would be closer to fair i think if you a 2nd rounder.
Skinner isnt bad he's just overpaid but after this summer his bonus's are paid with 2.5m salary this year. After this year he's got 32m salary on 36m x4 years for 9m cap hit
Now that said he's still a 20, 30 and maybe even 40 goal scorer but his consistency doesnt match his cap making him an issue for many.
ARZ could save actually physically paying 4 million dollars long term and 7.5m this year making the deal actually reasonable

I mean if you're giving up Keller and getting back a 20-30 goal scorer reasonably even if he has quorks about him its worth it.
For BUF giving up all that plus a pick or two more could free them of Skinners deal giving them a younger player on a more managable deal they covet more.

I mean we all know one day Skinner is going to end up there one way or another.
Why not get him set up and leading the youth having things ready for when Cooley Joins
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 12:48 p.m.
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i think this all makes although i think Lybuskin is 1 piece too many for Keller on that deal.
I mean if ARZ was taking back Keller in the deal then it would be closer to fair i think if you a 2nd rounder.
Skinner isnt bad he's just overpaid but after this summer his bonus's are paid with 2.5m salary this year. After this year he's got 32m salary on 36m x4 years for 9m cap hit
Now that said he's still a 20, 30 and maybe even 40 goal scorer but his consistency doesnt match his cap making him an issue for many.
ARZ could save actually physically paying 4 million dollars long term and 7.5m this year making the deal actually reasonable

I mean if you're giving up Keller and getting back a 20-30 goal scorer reasonably even if he has quorks about him its worth it.
For BUF giving up all that plus a pick or two more could free them of Skinners deal giving them a younger player on a more managable deal they covet more.

I mean we all know one day Skinner is going to end up there one way or another.
Why not get him set up and leading the youth having things ready for when Cooley Joins


If anything you can probably take JJ back but with Kellers cap hit to points hes going to drive a high price since hes been putting up the points he has with a ****e team and hasnt hit his prime yet. Given that would probably have to move olofsson after next year if you dont want him to walk for nothing but regardless should have enough money to play around with to have a good top 6 group if not great 1st line with good 2nd line and a solid 3rd line okay 4th line and okay 3rd d pair
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 1:16 p.m.
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If anything you can probably take JJ back but with Kellers cap hit to points hes going to drive a high price since hes been putting up the points he has with a ****e team and hasnt hit his prime yet. Given that would probably have to move olofsson after next year if you dont want him to walk for nothing but regardless should have enough money to play around with to have a good top 6 group if not great 1st line with good 2nd line and a solid 3rd line okay 4th line and okay 3rd d pair


True but you'll never be in a position with ARZ outside paying them in a cap dump where you can get a return for Skinner not just pay to move him.
Or that's the way it will be percieved even if the other team doesnt pay a lot or anything just being linked in the same deal will drive that perception by proxy.

ARZ is in a unique situation you're making worse
They're actually below the cap floor when you take away Keller something they barely hit now
Taking away Keller's contract doesnt actually help them as much as you'd think

For once Skinner's cap isnt viewed as the burden it is
Not saying it'll hold great value to them and they wont pay anything signifigant
But a 20-30 goal scorer back in a deal like this just because he's overpiad works out in ARZ favor atleast the next 3-5 years before
Any of their prospects will be off ELC demanding a payday outside Hayton so Skinner they can use for this purpose until he's a UFA without issues

Their GM declared he's building via Draft and sold all the youth in the NHL almost at this point backing that up.
It makes Skinner being there make even more sense outside just meeting the cap floor lol
They also need a roster to skate and cant just take endless capdumps
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 1:22 p.m.
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That is atrocious for vegas. We’re not giving up our first for that, especially knowing you trying to get your 3rd back for OS.
Aug. 16, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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That is atrocious for vegas. We’re not giving up our first for that, especially knowing you trying to get your 3rd back for OS.


So you dont want a starting goalie for cheap which you dont have and a good prospect that could play in nhl rn and 2 2nd rd pick lmaoo if anything its an overpayment but i can see how vegas fans wouldn’t understand trade value since they gave Pacioretty for nothing lol
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 3:33 p.m.
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So you dont want a starting goalie for cheap which you dont have and a good prospect that could play in nhl rn and 2 2nd rd pick lmaoo if anything its an overpayment but i can see how vegas fans wouldn’t understand trade value since they gave Pacioretty for nothing lol


We have a good starting goalie for cheap. Acting like Comrie is better than LT? They are both unproven. Taking a pop shot that we as fans don’t understand trade values because our gm is an idiot? Come on
Aug. 16, 2022 at 3:36 p.m.
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So you dont want a starting goalie for cheap which you dont have and a good prospect that could play in nhl rn and 2 2nd rd pick lmaoo if anything its an overpayment but i can see how vegas fans wouldn’t understand trade value since they gave Pacioretty for nothing lol


Starting Goalie , Where?

Comrie hasnt been an Undisputed Starter since Junior
At Best he's been a Tandem
But utlimately the past 5 years he's been a Back up to a Starter
Its why WPG got nothing for him and signed him after stops in ARZ,and DET came back to WPG only to be waived
NJD didnt use him outside a Practice goalie in a 3 player unit where only 2/3 started regularly resulting in them waiving him
WPG claimed him using him as Taxi Squad Practice goalie then re-signed him as a Back up where he got his first start over 3 games a year at age 27

I just dont see how you can sell him as a Credible NHL back up on 19 games (more then he played his other 5 NHL years in which he played 1-3 games.
Thats why i gotta call BS on the Starter assertion as he's not even a credible Tandem goalie but instead a Dustin Tokarski (AHL goalie who can step up the odd season here and there)
Aug. 16, 2022 at 3:39 p.m.
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Starting Goalie , Where?

Comrie hasnt been an Undisputed Starter since Junior
At Best he's been a Tandem
But utlimately the past 5 years he's been a Back up to a Starter
Its why WPG got nothing for him and signed him after stops in ARZ,and DET came back to WPG only to be waived
NJD didnt use him outside a Practice goalie in a 3 player unit where only 2/3 started regularly resulting in them waiving him
WPG claimed him using him as Taxi Squad Practice goalie then re-signed him as a Back up where he got his first start over 3 games a year at age 27

I just dont see how you can sell him as a Credible NHL back up on 19 games (more then he played his other 5 NHL years in which he played 1-3 games.
Thats why i gotta call BS on the Starter assertion as he's not even a credible Tandem goalie but instead a Dustin Tokarski (AHL goalie who can step up the odd season here and there)


Which is why 2 2nd rd picks were added and a good prospect who is nhl ready was added to the deal
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 3:52 p.m.
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Which is why 2 2nd rd picks were added and a good prospect who is nhl ready was added to the deal


Added to what?

You went "hey i see you need A and B pieces , well here's some C and D pieces ,
We're just going to take you 1st round pick and give you something worth much less, deal right ?"

Imagine walked up to BUF went "i see you have a big hole there for a Starting Goalie , well here's Primeau and Kidney , i'll just take your 1st (from a lotto team no less ) and 3rd round picks "

Now Primeau > Comrie by far
Doesnt make this trade scenario anymore appealing despite being a top 10 goalie prospect 23 and under

i mean if it wasnt the 2023 draft and it wasnt unprotect i'd still be upset with this trade if i was a BUF fan given they draft top 10 every year
(which means they draft high 2nd round which i thought was implied but upon re-reading totally is not lol )
Aug. 16, 2022 at 3:55 p.m.
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Added to what?

You went "hey i see you need A and B pieces , well here's some C and D pieces ,
We're just going to take you 1st round pick and give you something worth much less, deal right ?"

Imagine walked up to BUF went "i see you have a big hole there for a Starting Goalie , well here's Primeau and Kidney , i'll just take your 1st (from a lotto team no less ) and 3rd round picks "

Now Primeau > Comrie by far
Doesnt make this trade scenario anymore appealing despite being a top 10 goalie prospect 23 and under

i mean if it wasnt the 2023 draft and it wasnt unprotect i'd still be upset with this trade if i was a BUF fan given they draft top 10 every year


I have a hunch that you didnt read the title of the team
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Aug. 16, 2022 at 4:10 p.m.
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I have a hunch that you didnt read the title of the team

Kinda thinking you didnt or forgot what you wrote

"Offersheet trade unrealistic IK"
I've never once brought up the OS in any of my comments to my knowledge.
I've just stated ways under your current vision with a tweak or two how the 2nd part of the title about Cap wouldnt be an issue or didnt have to be.

As far as Comrie there's nothing in that title that says you can miss label probably the most waived and claimed player in the NHL(Even adam brooks cant beat him there)
Thats more then just unrealistic its a lie like me calling Mason Marchment better then Alex Ovechkin, its hard to hide behind opinion when fact is that overwhelmingly clear.
Aug. 16, 2022 at 4:12 p.m.
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I mean Montembault had more start's last year then Comrie had in his career combined
Does that make him a starter now ?
 
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